Anabolic alternatives?????

[venitor]

I am a 19 year old athlete. (not body building)
I am being told that i am too young to start on a winn or dbol , or anything that grade. Are anabolic alternatives legit? any suggestions?

[SimplyFlawless]

You are not too young as long as you have experience training already. There are no alternatives to anabolics

[Papiriqui]

Im the least person to give advise here since i am asking for some myself but for what ive read so far and its been quote an amount, you are too young. If you read the stickys and education section you will find out why!!! Wait until you are 25 at least.

Go to the nutrition area and most likely you will be able to achieve all if not close to what you want with proper nutrition and supplements!!!

[wesholcomb80]

The right foods can have just the same effect for you if you eat smart and alot of it. Combine that with hard training in the gym and at your age you will defiantly get results.

[SimplyFlawless]

Im the least person to give advise here since i am asking for some myself but for what ive read so far and its been quote an amount, you are too young. If you read the stickys and education section you will find out why!!! Wait until you are 25 at least.

Go to the nutrition area and most likely you will be able to achieve all if not close to what you want with proper nutrition and supplements!!!

25? That's a great way to let everyone else get a head start on you. IMO, 19 is the minimum age to start but 21 is ideal. I started two months before my 25th birthday and wish I started the second I finished college at 22. Otherwise 20 would have been best for me

[nooby]

25? That's a great way to let everyone else get a head start on you. IMO, 19 is the minimum age to start but 21 is ideal. I started two months before my 25th birthday and wish I started the second I finished college at 22. Otherwise 20 would have been best for me

So you are basing your advice on what you wish you would have done, instead of real life experience?

[FONZY007]

25? That's a great way to let everyone else get a head start on you. IMO, 19 is the minimum age to start but 21 is ideal. I started two months before my 25th birthday and wish I started the second I finished college at 22. Otherwise 20 would have been best for me

I started at 20-21 yrs old, I'm currently on hrt since 27 and I'm going to be 31 I'm a few months .. Wait till 25 yrs old

[wesholcomb80]

25? That's a great way to let everyone else get a head start on you. IMO, 19 is the minimum age to start but 21 is ideal. I started two months before my 25th birthday and wish I started the second I finished college at 22. Otherwise 20 would have been best for me

Terrible advice, I'd like to know what you base this off of or is it just what you wished you'd done. Unless you want to be screwed up for life don't listen to anything simplyflawless suggests.

[SimplyFlawless]

well, I could see you guys have your minds made up already. Discouraging people from achieving their goals to me is not fair. Who wants to wait 6 years at their genetic limit just to reach the magic age of 25 to start to really achieve results? No, you will not die any younger or be more likely to need TRT. You guys have no science to back up this magic number. My biggest regret is wasting 6 1/2 years training naturally when I should have started after two years (when I was 20). All I did was believe some pipe dream that you can achieve a great huge physique without any PEDs. The reality is you simply can't. You can be very lean, but to be big, you need to also hold a considerable amount of fat/water.

[wesholcomb80]

well, I could see you guys have your minds made up already. Discouraging people from achieving their goals to me is not fair. Who wants to wait 6 years at their genetic limit just to reach the magic age of 25 to start to really achieve results? No, you will not die any younger or be more likely to need TRT. You guys have no science to back up this magic number. My biggest regret is wasting 6 1/2 years training naturally when I should have started after two years (when I was 20). All I did was believe some pipe dream that you can achieve a great huge physique without any PEDs. The reality is you simply can't. You can be very lean, but to be big, you need to also hold a considerable amount of fat/water.

People are going to do what they want no matter if someone tells them yes or no. I'm not the guys dad. All I'm saying is why would you even want to take a chance on being the guy who started to early and had his whole system shut down while it was still developing.

[sleepingz]

Simplyflawless, really man?? These guys have accumalated experience thats in a totally different realm to your 'i wish I hadnt listened' remarks. These guys are giving a warning of age just cause they dont wanna see another guy on trt or hrt which isnt a good thing to be on.

Not out of hate and wanting to get a head start, u sound like a douche, bet if you had taken AS at 20 like u wish u had u would have a different opinion. Be smart... U only get one body, might as well take as many precautions as u can

[SimplyFlawless]

Simplyflawless, really man?? These guys have accumalated experience thats in a totally different realm to your 'i wish I hadnt listened' remarks. These guys are giving a warning of age just cause they dont wanna see another guy on trt or hrt which isnt a good thing to be on.

Not out of hate and wanting to get a head start, u sound like a douche, bet if you had taken AS at 20 like u wish u had u would have a different opinion. Be smart... U only get one body, might as well take as many precautions as u can

You must be confusing me with some noob. Ask all the pros if they regret starting at 18-19 years old and see what they say. Which "guys" have accumulated experience? If they have impressive physiques that are better than my own, I'll respect their opinion. Post counts and "sounding smart" mean nothing to me.

[Ashop]

I am a 19 year old athlete. (not body building)
I am being told that i am too young to start on a winn or dbol, or anything that grade. Are anabolic alternatives legit? any suggestions?

Use your own naturally high hormone levels to your advantage. All you need is DIET,,TRAINING,,SLEEP and alot of DEDICATION!!

[bigga4068]

Wow Im not even gonna start with saying what I would like to becuz it will just fall on def ears. Venitor let me help get this thread back on track sorry I was busy today so didnt get back to you on your other thread yet. Can you clarify what you mean by anabolic alternatives? Never heard term used before. You sound like a smart guy and Im confident you wont be influenced by some of the lame shit on here some people are saying.

[dooie]

Wow Im not even gonna start with saying what I would like to becuz it will just fall on def ears. Venitor let me help get this thread back on track sorry I was busy today so didnt get back to you on your other thread yet. Can you clarify what you mean by anabolic alternatives? Never heard term used before. You sound like a smart guy and Im confident you wont be influenced by some of the lame shit on here some people are saying.

Anabolic alternatives? Alternatives to anabolic substances!

[dooie]

I am a 19 year old athlete. (not body building)
I am being told that i am too young to start on a winn or dbol, or anything that grade. Are anabolic alternatives legit? any suggestions?

Vendor, don't listen to simply flawless, that's terrible advice especially when he hasn't ran anything at a young age, he just says he wishes he did, his body could of and most likely reacted completely different 6yrs earlier!

Post up your workout and your diet? And we will go from there, if u don't know how to eat it doesn't matter what AAS u do, u can't maintain if u don't provide ur body with the right nutrients to hold it!

[venitor]

Wow Im not even gonna start with saying what I would like to becuz it will just fall on def ears. Venitor let me help get this thread back on track sorry I was busy today so didnt get back to you on your other thread yet. Can you clarify what you mean by anabolic alternatives? Never heard term used before. You sound like a smart guy and Im confident you wont be influenced by some of the lame shit on here some people are saying.

seem like a joke but i had never heard of them either, there online(which i know is usually a bad sign) and there supposed to be safer and are called win-alt, dbol -alt etc... but have similar affects

[venitor]

Vendor, don't listen to simply flawless, that's terrible advice especially when he hasn't ran anything at a young age, he just says he wishes he did, his body could of and most likely reacted completely different 6yrs earlier!

Post up your workout and your diet? And we will go from there, if u don't know how to eat it doesn't matter what AAS u do, u can't maintain if u don't provide ur body with the right nutrients to hold it!

I am a pitcher. so my workouts are heavly revolved around core and lower body and staying flexible. But to get to the next level of pitching i need to be quite a bit more explosive of a mound and lots of lower body strength. But i dont lift heavy upper body because i need to stay stretched out and thats not where my power comes from. My diet consists of as much "clean food" as i can. Fish, chicken, some beef. vegtables, whole wheat, healthy stuff.

[bigga4068]

I havent ever seen what your talking about but just my guess if it sounds to good to be true it probably aint true. I wouldnt waste my money on it, goes bsck to what I said on your other thread about getting caught up in the very loosely regulated world of supplements. Hopefully more people can comment with experience, maybe Im totally wrong. I know you said you have your diet in check but its so much more then just eat certain foods. Proper nutrition consists of knowing so much like complex vs simple carbs, the gly***ic index, the difference in proteins, insulin spikes, and so on and so on not to mention knowing when is the proper time to be eating. So as you can see its so much more then just eating what you called "clean foods".

[venitor]

I havent ever seen what your talking about but just my guess if it sounds to good to be true it probably aint true. I wouldnt waste my money on it, goes bsck to what I said on your other thread about getting caught up in the very loosely regulated world of supplements. Hopefully more people can comment with experience, maybe Im totally wrong. I know you said you have your diet in check but its so much more then just eat certain foods. Proper nutrition consists of knowing so much like complex vs simple carbs, the gly***ic index, the difference in proteins, insulin spikes, and so on and so on not to mention knowing when is the proper time to be eating. So as you can see its so much more then just eating what you called "clean foods".

sounds like i need to learm alot more about good nutrition because compared to an average person i think i eat healthy but i guess there is alot more to it then i know right now.

[bigga4068]

Alot of people think that way my friend I know I did for years but I just kept readi.g and learning. I still am light years behind alot of people on here.

[dooie]

As with Most sports, a lot of your power will come from the legs, you'd be surprised what upper body strength does though, but that is no reason to work your upper body! Look at sprinters arms, if I were you I'd be doing fast power movements like cleans, clean and jerk, snatches, jumping squats, fast bench presse,s pull ups etc it won't affect your stretching

[Flacco]

I started at 18... I'm almost 27 now and on my way to being in the same boat as Fonzy007. Wait and do it right. Look at food as if it were steroids . With all your body's natural testoserone, you'll be amazed at your results from just changing your diet/excersize routine to fit your fitness goals. Protein Podwer/weightgain (if you want to bulk up) and vitamins. Fish Oil, and all your other vitamins good for ya. No juice and no prohrmones. No need! Good LuckUse

I started at 20-21 yrs old, I'm currently on hrt since 27 and I'm going to be 31 I'm a few months .. Wait till 25 yrs old

[Times Roman]

You are not too young as long as you have experience training already. There are no alternatives to anabolics

Mate
I sit here day in and day out trying to get youngsters NOT to ttry steroids and here you come and say 19 is not too young. If you don't know what you are talking about please keep your misinformed opinions to yourself.
Thanks
---Roman

[Times Roman]

well, I could see you guys have your minds made up already. Discouraging people from achieving their goals to me is not fair. Who wants to wait 6 years at their genetic limit just to reach the magic age of 25 to start to really achieve results? No, you will not die any younger or be more likely to need TRT. You guys have no science to back up this magic number. My biggest regret is wasting 6 1/2 years training naturally when I should have started after two years (when I was 20). All I did was believe some pipe dream that you can achieve a great huge physique without any PEDs. The reality is you simply can't. You can be very lean, but to be big, you need to also hold a considerable amount of fat/water.

because taking steroids too early, before their hormonal system is fully matured, CAN FUK YOU UP!!!

[SimplyFlawless]

Mate
I sit here day in and day out trying to get youngsters NOT to ttry steroids and here you come and say 19 is not too young. If you don't know what you are talking about please keep your misinformed opinions to yourself.
Thanks
---Roman

Taking them at a younger age gives them a better shot at going pro or developing the physique of their dreams. I'm not saying load a vial of deca if you are 16, but waiting until 25 is simply a waste of time. It doesn't take very long to reach your genetic limit if you are consistent. Maybe 2-3 years tops. If someone hit their potential at age 20, then all they are doing is maintaining for 5 years AKA wasting their time. You questioning my knowledge is a joke. If you are such a vet, please prove to me you have a better physique than I do and I will stand down. My reasoning is everyone gets fed misinformation here that takes safety far too much into account, to the point you will make hardly any improvements. You can be safe without following these "rules" if you are smart about it.

Also, please prove to me that starting younger than 25 "CAN FUK YOU UP!!!" That is a complete utter blanket statement with no data to base that statement on

[Times Roman]

Taking them at a younger age gives them a better shot at going pro or developing the physique of their dreams. I'm not saying load a vial of deca if you are 16, but waiting until 25 is simply a waste of time. It doesn't take very long to reach your genetic limit if you are consistent. Maybe 2-3 years tops. If someone hit their potential at age 20, then all they are doing is maintaining for 5 years AKA wasting their time. You questioning my knowledge is a joke. If you are such a vet, please prove to me you have a better physique than I do and I will stand down. My reasoning is everyone gets fed misinformation here that takes safety far too much into account, to the point you will make hardly any improvements. You can be safe without following these "rules" if you are smart about it.

Also, please prove to me that starting younger than 25 "CAN FUK YOU UP!!!" That is a complete utter blanket statement with no data to base that statement on

the chances of anyone going pro are slim at best. the advice we give here is to promote a healthy lifestyle and the INTELLIGENT use of steroids . You are ignoring this youngsters health at his expense. Too many times people such as yourself give out advice such as this without understanding the long term health consequences. Suppose this youngster takes your advice and then develops ED, or his libido takes a crap and he is no longer interested in having sex with his woman? or he develops depression, or lethargy because his natty test levels crash off cycle? You are not taking his best health interests to heart. Until he is in his mid twenties, his hormonal system will not be fully mature. Adding exogenous test will suppress his natty test production, and impede the full development of his normal development process.

If you don't know any of this, then i suggest you read and learn. This is something we constantly try to impress on youngsters. So please, if you don't understand the damage steroids can have on youngsters, please keep your "advice" to yourself.

Thanks!
---Roman

[BG]

well, I could see you guys have your minds made up already. Discouraging people from achieving their goals to me is not fair. Who wants to wait 6 years at their genetic limit just to reach the magic age of 25 to start to really achieve results? No, you will not die any younger or be more likely to need TRT. You guys have no science to back up this magic number. My biggest regret is wasting 6 1/2 years training naturally when I should have started after two years (when I was 20). All I did was believe some pipe dream that you can achieve a great huge physique without any PEDs. The reality is you simply can't. You can be very lean, but to be big, you need to also hold a considerable amount of fat/water.

Your totally wrong. Every time you suppress your HTPA you don't recover the same. So someone who uses steroids are far more likely to need HRT and more likely to have ED. To be big you need to hold fat/water....wtf does that mean? By using creatine you hold just as much water in your muscle as with steroids.....less the side effects. At 19 years old someone doesn't know what his goals are, life is just beginning. One day they want to be the next Phil Heath, but then the next day they meet the girl of your dreams. So you stop using, but now you have ED problems. What are they going to tell their girl, dont worry Ill go on HRT, its no biggie, I knew this would happen when I started abusing steroids at a young age. Then they will be wishing they waited.

FYI if you dont like what we preach, there's plenty of other sites that give un-safe/bad advice. Give them a try.

[auslifta]

You must be confusing me with some noob. Ask all the pros if they regret starting at 18-19 years old and see what they say. Which "guys" have accumulated experience? If they have impressive physiques that are better than my own, I'll respect their opinion. Post counts and "sounding smart" mean nothing to me.

For every pro, there are thousands of young men that have damaged themselves through AAS use and abuse. Too many people look for an easy option, when alot of their goals can easily be achieved through a better diet. Giving "advice" to young people to take AAS is both reckless and foolish.

[venitor]

I appreciate everyones input on here, thank you. Especially those who are looking out for my best interest and dont even know me. That goes along way. And this has nothing to do with bashing body building at all! cause its just as much a sport as any but, I have no desire in body building at all. I am a collegiate baseball athlete. So bulking up would actually be counterproductive for me as a pitcher, its all about lower body and core power, fast twitch muscles, mechanics, and exploding off the mound. so my purpose behind anything whether it be protein, creatine, or steroids , is to become a better pitcher. And cut a little bit just to look better. Not to be a bodybuilder.