Turkish Juicer - I could use your advice

[D-Town Gunny]

Ive been reading this forum for months gathering as much knowledge as i can. I routinely read threads that have your comments and I tend to agree with your approach and advice. I joined the forum yesterday and posted my first thread, unfortunately I have not received much feedback. As long as my blood work comes back well on Thursday I plan to start my cycle the following week. I don't want to starts until I have a solid plan and all the tools needed to complete it. Below you will find my last post, any help would be appreciated.

" Ive been reading every post and article i can get my hands on for the past several months and have found ALOT of conflicting information. I was originally sold on the idea of doing a "no-test " cycle , but after reading about the potential damage to my endocrine system I decided to go with the conventional wisdom and add test-e as a base. I still like what I've read on primo and eq , so I'm leaning toward tiring the the below stack for my first cycle. I'm 6'4" 215lbs and according to DEXA scan I have a 18% bmi. I lift 6 days per week and run for 40min. everyday and I'm currently on a 1700 cal./day diet . My goal is to get lean, I don't wish to add heave mass. I'm an endurance athlete and I'm looking for better performance in my triathlons. I know as soon as this thread goes live you all are going to tell me to up my weekly mgs's, but please keep in mind my goal is to put on quality lean mass through a low risk cycle. I'll admit that I'm very torn on my PCT , i don't know if i should run Nolva or HGC the entire time. Ive also read studies that recommend waiting 21 day after my last shot of eq before starting. While i've found some that argue "why delay the recovery process". I've even read that at the levels I'm thinking about taking no PCT is needed. With all of that said here is what i'm thinking:

Week 1-14
Test-E 250 mgs per week
EQ 200 mgs per week
Primo 200 mgs per week
Nolva 20 mg EoD

Week 15-16
Off everything

Week 17-19
Nolva 20mg each
Clomid 50mg each day

Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated!

[dooie]

Run your pct for 4 weeks at that dosage,
All you need is test, no real benefit in running eq at a low dosage,
Ppl react differently to different compounds so ur cardio may get hindered by the AAS, then again it could improve,
GL

[D-Town Gunny]

Dooie,

Thank you very much for the response. You recommended to drop the EQ, what about the primo? How about the Nolva during the cycle? What's your opinion on the PCT? Two years ago no one was talking about AI or HGC, now everyone has different protocol, is there a conclusive study out there? I could be a perfect case study, I have never used AAS. I just got a DEXA scan done and I'm waiting on my lab work to come back to show my base line. I'm motivated and disciplined, but I need some guidance by the experts. At this point I'm beginning to think that I'm over thinking the entire process.

[fontazya]

mate your first cycle should be only test e 500mg/week for 12 weeks.. use an ai on cycle starting at low dose like adex 0.25mg eod... and adjust from there.. HCG on cycle 500IU per week.. PCT should be nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/50/50 will be enough.. drop the eq and primo for first cycle.. they both will do nothing at that dose anyway.. also ur calories look pretty low.. especially since ur lifting 6 days a week and running 40mins each day

[kelkel]

Agree with both the above. Keep it simple for your first cycle. Nolva is for PCT, not on cycle. HCG as stated above. Maybe 250 IU x 2 or 3 per week. Keep it simple.

But, IMO your so close to achieving your goals as is. I'd visit the nutrition and workout forums and tweak your food intake / adjust your workouts and I'd bet you can get there without taking the leap into AAS. AAS comes with sides. Whatever you choose, good luck and keep us posted.

[DeadlyD]

Agree with droping the EQ, the rest looks good.

[dooie]

Also man, at 250mg/week of test isn't really enough! That's only really a try dose, I would suggest 400mg/week for your first cycle, you will do very well! Nolva is not required while 'on' its only for PCT or for gyno, as the others said, go an get an AI,

[mg2336]

primo at such a low dose will do you no good brotha. for the 1st cycle I would run test only and see how it goes. You will be amazed at the effects test only will have on you.

[mg2336]

also I agree with above. def bump up the test to 400mg/week at least

[MickeyKnox]

dump the eq and primo for now, but up your test to 500.

500mg of enth is NOT a lot of test. trust me, you'll be fine and you'll be glad you took everyone's advice to up your dose. run an ai on cycle and youre gtg.

this is what i would/have do(ne)

1-12: Test E 500mg/week (split into 2 injections every 3.5 days)
1-12: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
2-12 HCG 2x250iu/wk

PCT :
Clomid : 100/75/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20

[MickeyKnox]

*pct to start 14 days after last pin.

[D-Town Gunny]

Thank you everyone, I appreciate your input! I'll make some changes and keep you posted.

[ata1979]

pick either primo or EQ, dont run both. I'd go with primo (alotta fake primos going around, be careful).

[kelkel]

dump the eq and primo for now, but up your test to 500.

500mg of enth is NOT a lot of test. trust me, you'll be fine and you'll be glad you took everyone's advice to up your dose. run an ai on cycle and youre gtg.

this is what i would/have do(ne)


1-12: Test E 500mg/week (split into 2 injections every 3.5 days)
1-12: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
2-12 HCG 2x250iu/wk

PCT :
Clomid : 100/75/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20

Nice plan Mickey! Simple and effective for a first timer.

[dooie]

dump the eq and primo for now, but up your test to 500.

500mg of enth is NOT a lot of test. trust me, you'll be fine and you'll be glad you took everyone's advice to up your dose. run an ai on cycle and youre gtg.

this is what i would/have do(ne)

1-12: Test E 500mg/week (split into 2 injections every 3.5 days)
1-12: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
2-12 HCG 2x250iu/wk

PCT :
Clomid : 100/75/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20

Clomid is very strong and a lot of ppl see sides, 50/50/50/50 is enough even 50/50/25/25, a lot of ppl don't even use it, and for a test only cycle used with hcg and an AI it's probably not needed

[MickeyKnox]

Clomid is very strong and a lot of ppl see sides, 50/50/50/50 is enough even 50/50/25/25, a lot of ppl don't even use it, and for a test only cycle used with hcg and an AI it's probably not needed

i disagree. but that's not to say some AAS users experiences differ and chose to use more or less for a variety of reasons. this is exactly the same reason aromasin (stane) is recommended at 12mg eod to start and then monitor.

i would rather get my htpa up and running first than worry about a pimple or two. and if youre referring to potential blindness, the values i've outlined are completely in line with current protocols.

and to suggest a test only cycle doesn't require clomid as part of a standard pct i think is foolish.

[dooie]

i disagree. but that's not to say some AAS users experiences differ and chose to use more or less for a variety of reasons. this is exactly the same reason aromasin (stane) is recommended at 12mg eod to start and then monitor.

i would rather get my htpa up and running first than worry about a pimple or two. and if youre referring to potential blindness, the values i've outlined are completely in line with current protocols.

and to suggest a test only cycle doesn't require clomid as part of a standard pct i think is foolish.

Meh, you'd be surprised on the clinical studies that have been done only using nolvadex !
Many ppl bounce back fine from nolva only, side effects at 100mg of clomid are quite common

[ata1979]

I get depressive on 100mgs of clomid.