First cycle

**Terminator10** · 05-15-2012, 04:46 PM

I was wondering what a good first cycle is? I am about to get sust 250 deca dbol and nolva, but I dont know how I should cycle it to get the best results with the least side effects. Any suggestions?

**dooie** · 05-15-2012, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Terminator10

I was wondering what a good first cycle is? I am about to get sust 250 deca dbol and nolva, but I dont know how I should cycle it to get the best results with the least side effects. Any suggestions?

Stats?

**barakelium** · 05-15-2012, 05:06 PM

thats probably overkill on numero uno... no matter the stats... personally run the dbol ... use half or all your pct. wait a week then run the test/deca .
2 cycles... or run the test, then do a deca dbol bulker... on deca dbol tho just know that you should use the dbol for weeks 1-2 and then the last few weeks use at least another 2 weeks. ive done both with great success, however on deca your nads are gonna suffer and your girlfriend is gonna buy herself a toy... but do whatever floats your boat. for a first timer though you will see 20+ lbs on dbol alone in literally a month. especially if youre on the skinny side and you eat properly and lift properly. I had a guy tell me our gear was fake once because on his first he took test deca dbol and gained 11 lbs while i took the same dbol and test and gained closer to 25. he was taking much higher doses of literally the same gear from the same source but he ate garbage and spent more days on the couch than in the gym. lifting half ass twice a week for 30 minutes will get you nowhere. you could take all the juice you can find and not gain the right weight

**barakelium** · 05-15-2012, 05:14 PM

just read what i wrote.. use the dbol after about day 10-14 of ceasing the deca . its half life is right at 3 weeks and u want to make sure you time starting it to cover the half life. ive seen much better results using orals for 2-4 weeks in the beginning as well as 2-4 weeks in the end as opposed to taking the orals for the first 4-6 weeks straight. the gains start to taper off quickly after 3 or 4 weeks on the oral. week one on dbol is 5-10 lbs. but week four is only 2 lbs kind of thing. the water weight it adds quickly actually increases your strength enabling you to lift heavier with less rest between sets.

**Terminator10** · 05-15-2012, 06:21 PM

So what if I just did like 250 ml of sust a week with 25mg of dbol a day? Would that be good and just leave out the deca and start my pct 2 weeks before the last injection?

**dooie** · 05-15-2012, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Terminator10

So what if I just did like 250 ml of sust a week with 25mg of dbol a day? Would that be good and just leave out the deca and start my pct 2 weeks before the last injection?

How old are you, what is your weight and height and how long have u been lifting for??

**dooie** · 05-15-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by barakelium

just read what i wrote.. use the dbol after about day 10-14 of ceasing the deca. its half life is right at 3 weeks and u want to make sure you time starting it to cover the half life. ive seen much better results using orals for 2-4 weeks in the beginning as well as 2-4 weeks in the end as opposed to taking the orals for the first 4-6 weeks straight. the gains start to taper off quickly after 3 or 4 weeks on the oral. week one on dbol is 5-10 lbs. but week four is only 2 lbs kind of thing. the water weight it adds quickly actually increases your strength enabling you to lift heavier with less rest between sets.

Why are u making it sound so difficult?

AD · 05-16-2012, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Terminator10

I am thinking of running my first cycke I am 5'10" weigh about 187 lbs. I am 21 and have been training hard since 16. My cycle is...
Dbol 40mg/day with test sust 250mg every 4-5 days for 8 weeks.. I will start nolva about 4-6 days after my last injection of sust and run 40mg/day for the first week of pct, then 20mg/day for 5 more weeks.. Let me know if this is ok or not? And changes or additions?

may be a bit young. would you like to wait till you're mid20s?

**barakelium** · 05-21-2012, 12:27 PM

sorry if i made it sound difficult? its not rocket science

yes you are a bit young... but i dont have room to talk. just know this. your body is only mature enough to hold x amount. if you were older you would gain more on the same cycles, as well as not risk killing your nat production. play it safe. 250 sust/week is not a huge amount. i would never do a cycle that low unless i was cruising between cycles preparing for a competition.

start the pct 2-3 weeks after your last injection. sustanon has enanthate and decanoate in it... basically decanoate is 18-22 day half life so that means 3 weeks. start no sooner than 2 weeks after last shot.