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    best ai/pct for a "basic cycle"

    would be running test enth or cyp 500mg? (2cc's) a week for 12 weeks

    im estrogen sensitive and need to run an ai, is armidex the best option? and what dosage should i do while on


    also for the pct , swifto reported in a study that tamox is the most effective serm in terms of pct (i tried running a clomid /nolva pct once and i had insane vision disturbances from the clomid and had to stop at once, so im not running clomid again) so what dosage for the nolva should i run for pct and when do i start the nolva? 2 weeks after last shot? and how long do i run the nolva for?

    to rap this up, is arr legit? are those compounds proven to be effective?


    i know im asking a litany of questions here, but im just trying to do this the right way and seek guidance from the knowledgeable members on this board, would appercaite some input. thanks again.

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    Adex will work good. Dose at .25 EOD. Run Nolva at 40/40/20/20 two weeks after last pin. AR-R is definitely legit.

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    the sides you experienced from clomid might be dose-dependent. at what dose did you run it the last time? have you tried lower doses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StickyNicky View Post
    Adex will work good. Dose at .25 EOD. Run Nolva at 40/40/20/20 two weeks after last pin. AR-R is definitely legit.
    its been awhile since ive done arr products, when you say 40/40/20/ or .25 how do i measure that on that insulin type device they give me, are there .40 marks on the thing ?

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    bump

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    By 40/40/20/20, each number stands for a week so your PCT will be 4 weeks. The numbers are the doses you will take EveryDay. So, week 1, you will take 40mg each day, ar-r 's tamoxifen comes in 20mg per mL. There for 2cc's each day. Then your last two weeks knock it down to 1cc each day

    As for the adex while on cycle. It comes at 1mg per mL, so by dosing .25 EOD, you will take 1/4th of a CC.
    Last edited by BigBosanac; 05-18-2012 at 10:10 PM.

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    Can anyone elaborate on Clomid/Nolva vs. just Nolva?

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    Would HCG be just as good as adex?

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    Hows HCG compared to adex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakota2k
    Hows HCG compared to adex?
    They are very different chemicals performing diff function. How to compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude View Post
    They are very different chemicals performing diff function. How to compare?
    I just see ppl running low dase adex or low dose HCG throughout cycle to help with sides. Thought were similar

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakota2k

    I just see ppl running low dase adex or low dose HCG throughout cycle to help with sides. Thought were similar
    HCG is used on cycle to maintain proper testicular function going into pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StickyNicky View Post
    HCG is used on cycle to maintain proper testicular function going into pct.
    Ok so HCG is to maintain testicular function and Adex for reducing estrogen. Seems both are very beneficial, don't know why I don't see people running both throughout cycle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakota2k

    Ok so HCG is to maintain testicular function and Adex for reducing estrogen. Seems both are very beneficial, don't know why I don't see people running both throughout cycle...
    My point exactly. Both should not be neglected IMHO.

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    Hcg is almost identical in structure to LH in our body. Its the natural stimulant for our ballz. During a cycle, the injected test causes LH to go to zero, or almost. Injecting hcg help to trick the ballz to not shrink by pretending to be LH.

    AI is used to block conversion of test to estro. We like high test in our system to stimulate growth. But high test leads to high estro due to this conversion, which is a natural process. AI blocks this conversion.

    So to limit various sides on cycle, use both hcg and AI. They work differently, to prevent diff sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude
    Hcg is almost identical in structure to LH in our body. Its the natural stimulant for our ballz. During a cycle, the injected test causes LH to go to zero, or almost. Injecting hcg help to trick the ballz to not shrink by pretending to be LH.

    AI is used to block conversion of test to estro. We like high test in our system to stimulate growth. But high test leads to high estro due to this conversion, which is a natural process. AI blocks this conversion.

    So to limit various sides on cycle, use both hcg and AI. They work differently, to prevent diff sides.
    How often do you pin HCG on cycle and what week do you start on?

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    S/C 250iu 2x/wk. Start as early as day1 if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiandude
    S/C 250iu 2x/wk. Start as early as day1 if you can.
    So would I pin on the same days as test on a test e cycle 2x/week mon morning/thurs night? And run until PCT correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StickyNicky View Post
    So would I pin on the same days as test on a test e cycle 2x/week mon morning/thurs night? And run until PCT correct?
    yup. s/c with slin pins

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    Awesome. Thanks!

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