Plateu while on cycle?

[< <Samson> >]

Well, I am in week 8 of my 1st cycle of test enan only.

I went from 185 Lbs. to right around 220. I understand almost 15-20 pounds of this weight is garbage(water & fat) thanks to my fat laden diet. Which isn't the best, but not the worst. I lost fat in the past and I seem to lose weight quite quickly with a solid diet.


For the last 11 days I have not gained any weight. I eat all day, I can post up a diet but I mean it's heavy. One PWO shake per day and one of cottage cheese and casein before bed. Then just heavy foods throughout the day. I never hit less than 3k of cals per day or 275 g's of protein.

From what I can see, 3k in cals is actually low for my new found weight and I find myself feeling full all day.

I understand I have not done the mathematics of my macros, but fat gain is not the issue and I feel like I physically can not consume anymore food per day.

[Capebuffalo]

You have gained 35 lbs in 8 weeks? About 4 lbs a week. What do you mean fat ladent diet. Have you not been eating clean.

[swm1972]

If you've stopped gaining up your Caroline intake 10% and see if that gets things moving again. There is a certain amount of calories required for any amount of mass. You've probably reached that point where the amount you are taking in is maintenance level for your current size. More food will push you past that barrier.

Also. Fat doesn't make people fat. Carbohydrate conversion to sugar via elevated insulin levels is the primary cause of fat accumulation IMO. I've personally survive on high fat/protein diets with sensible quantities of complex carbs with great success and never have lost sight of my abs. Fat is required to achieve the calorie intake we require because each gram contains more calories then either protein or carbs. I see fat free labels on candy and it makes me cringe. It deceived people into thinking it won't make them gain weight.

[< <Samson> >]

You have gained 35 lbs in 8 weeks? About 4 lbs a week. What do you mean fat ladent diet. Have you not been eating clean.

Yes, 35Lbs in 7 weeks and 4 days. I don't even mind really, I know it's a bit is fat but I feel just fine and look better IMO. No, I am eating a bit of shit. Not worse than I did before cycle. Just more of it.

Here is my diet, it's been like this for about 3-4 weeks now:

9 am
1.5 cups of dry oats with 1.5 cups of skim milk
2 cups of Greek Yogurt

Noon

Tuna Sandwich(1 can of tuna and 1 Tbsp. of mayo)
or 4-6 eggs with some wheat bread and some cheese

2 pm

Shake (2 cups of Greek yogurt, strawberries, half of a banana, 3 scoops of MM or Syntha, 2 Tbsp of peanut butter, half of cup of oats)


7 pm

Meat - 2 plain hamburger patties with cheese and wheat bread or some sort of other meat equivalent


9 pm

Shake (1 cup of cottage cheese, half of scoop of MM, a full scoop of casein and about 3/4 cups of skim milk)

[< <Samson> >]

Also. Fat doesn't make people fat. Carbohydrate conversion to sugar via elevated insulin levels is the primary cause of fat accumulation IMO. I've personally survive on high fat/protein diets with sensible quantities of complex carbs with great success and never have lost sight of my abs. Fat is required to achieve the calorie intake we require because each gram contains more calories then either protein or carbs. I see fat free labels on candy and it makes me cringe. It deceived people into thinking it won't make them gain weight.

This is how I always bulked in the past. Huge amount of fat and protein with no carbs from shitty foods. Just oats and rice mainly since I hate sweet potatoes.

[Capebuffalo]

Bro if that's all your eating no wonder you've stopped growing. You got to eat more. I eat more than that by lunch. You have got to eat

[FONZY007]

So are u saying u have a moon face currently.

First cycle I gain 22lbs and kept 15 lbs of
It, hope you keep most of the gains that awesome you put that much weight on

Eat, eat, eat, throw some chicken breast in there and maybe lean 93% ground beef

[gixxerboy1]

i'm 25lbs lighter then you and eat a hell of alot more then that. You barley have any protein in you breakfast. I see a ton of sugar from fruits and greek yogurt

[< <Samson> >]

Do you really eat more? How?

I feel full as fvuck 98% of the day.

[Capebuffalo]

You have a 12 hr period with no food. What time do you get up? Try 8 egg whites 1 cup of oats and a scoop of protein blended up and drink it around 6 am

[< <Samson> >]

That's what I been thinking, mid sleep food. . . . Ugggh. . . There are children dying in Africa and I am tired of food. . . . lol


I sleep from about 11 to 8:30 - 9.

[Dr Pepper]

What dosage of test are you taking?

You've gained a good deal for your first cycle already however in my experience gains start to slow down around the 8 week mark that's why I only go to 10 weeks max now. Have you considered bumping the test 100mg or something for the last bit of your cycle?

[Capebuffalo]

Get your lazy ass up and eat. Your other meals are light as well. You got to do the math

[< <Samson> >]

500mg of test for now.

I am eating as I type.

[gixxerboy1]

you might not to eat more food but better foods

[Capebuffalo]

Your not 420 after the gym are you? Lol

[< <Samson> >]

Fvcks yeah, but I get no munchies. . . .


I am working on the better foods. More dense the better from what I see.

[swm1972]

This is how I always bulked in the past. Huge amount of fat and protein with no carbs from shitty foods. Just oats and rice mainly since I hate sweet potatoes.

Oatmeal is my favorite carb source. Little cinnamon some honey. Couple blueberries. I could eat that every meal.

[< <Samson> >]

Oatmeal is my favorite carb source. Little cinnamon some honey. Couple blueberries. I could eat that every meal.

I eat it either dry or mixed with 1% milk.

[Far from massive]

As gix said eating better foods, those that are very nutrient dense will help pack on the pounds.

Also its been my experience that almost everyone digests and feels full on different foods. Myself chicken breast will give me a loaded feeling for hours as they seem to just sit in my stomach, however the same amount of protein in the form of 90/10 ground beef will be a forgoten memory in 30-40 minutes. Now things like clean white fish say flounder or sole they will never even form a lump so as long as my wallet could stand it I could intake 400 gms of fish easily but since I am not rich I usually end up with 90/10 burger as my primary source of protein.

Experiment with different foods and see which foods and combos of food are best handled by your system you may be suprized how much of a difference this makes.

FFM

[< <Samson> >]

That is exactly how I am.

I know I can take down a ton of quality red meat and fish. But, I can't afford it. So, it's 90/10 ground, eggs and powders for my protein.

[FONZY007]

you might not to eat more food but better foods

10-4

[fontazya]

yeah that diet doesnt sound like a lot.. i eat a lot more and im 20lbs lighter.. also r u using an AI on this cycle ur prob holding a lot of water.. get ur BP checked too thats a big weight increase

[< <Samson> >]

Just checked BP, it is still right within range.


I took my Stane for the first 5 weeks EOD, I stopped taking it that often 3 weeks ago. Now I take it about every 5 days. Never seen a weight change.

[Turkish Juicer]

9 am
1.5 cups of dry oats with 1.5 cups of skim milk
10 eggs, 3 whole 7 whites

Noon

10z chicken breast with 200gr of brown rice or sweet potatoes

2 pm

Shake (water, strawberries, half of a banana, 2 scoops of MM or Syntha, 1 Tbsp of peanut butter, half of cup of oats)


7 pm

10oz lean steak, a large bowl of salad or steamed green dark vegetables with 3 tbs of EVOO

9 pm

Shake (1 cup of cottage cheese, half of scoop of MM, a full scoop of casein and about 3/4 cups of skim milk)

How about this for an adjustment?

[< <Samson> >]

That looks good and damn lean. Just a negative on real steak, can't afford that shit on a regular basis.

[Turkish Juicer]

Well, you can always eat more chicken

The idea was to introduce more solid/dense food, especially protein from macro nutrient sources as opposed to processed carbs and shakes.

I know you got the idea, so no worries.

[< <Samson> >]

My breakfast today:

3 whole eggs, half of carton of Egg Beaters and 3 whole wheat tortillas

The more dense the better, go it. . .lol