first steroid cycle - Thinking Big

[vixdyne]

Hello forum,

Age - 25
Gender - Male
weight - 75kg - 12stones - 165lbs
height - 5.9"

This is my first thread on this forum and my first cycle that I will be commencing soon - I have been training for over 10 years for the last 7 it has been fairly up to scratch - training - diet - nutrition - supplementation - rest etc its hard work and I have so much respect for all body-builders natural or drug based.

I have been considering to do my first anabolic steroid cycle and am very exciting about potential results - I work out at home currently using a half bench and half rack Olympic bar z bar t - bar and 155kg in total that's around 300lbs no dumbbells still working on some as money is tight considering me and the wife are saving for our first newborn boy so time to do what I wanted to of for a long time and get it out of the way until I'm tired down double time lol - #i have debated so much with myself on what cycle to do - first it was going to be all oral which I heard is the worst possible cycle as in just dbol/anavar or combined with heavier liver toxicity oral steroids - So here is what I have come up with I have pureley decicded to go with this stack due to budget and the quality contents on offer in the stack...

3500mg T. Enanthate
2000mg Deca
Nolvadex 28 (30) tabs
Proviron 21(20) tabs
Clomid 28(30) tabs
dbol blue hearts (50) tabs

Test e - deca - nolvadex being gen-shi UGL products - the rest is possible generics (hoping genshi will be good and safe there is another brand but I think its highly counterfeited)

CYCLE INFO IN ATTACHMENT - JPEG PLEASE VIEW AND POST FEEDBACK - THANK YOU

I will start dbol to week 3 - 2 tabs a day sound fine?

test e - 500 divided into two doses each weeks (will get and extra 500mg)

deca 200mg all the way till cut away two or one weeks before end of cycle

more advice - etc all for it will be appreciated on this cycle help needed asap

Cheers - I look forward to your reply

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Edit: I totally missed a sentence. But, 3.5k a week would be a bit. . . lol

165 is a little light though. Good BF% Though

[Capebuffalo]

Congrats on the upcoming birth of your son. First cycle test only. If you get sides with more than one compound you don't know which one is causing them. You dosage for the test looks good. My only concern is you are a little light for your height. I know you won't wait but I would put size on before. Going to be hard to keep gains. I would run novla 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50

[Capebuffalo]

You have to run e longer than 9 weeks. 12 is optimal. Just to clarify. You will run 500mg test e split 250 2x a week

[vixdyne]

I'm around 75-78kg 170lbs sorry for the mistake - its all muscle mass hardly any body fat, initial transformation was from 14stones to 12-1/2 stones so was a massive fat loss transformation whilst keeping muscle at max potential naturally with compound exercises, recently have hit such a plateau in training strength is decent correlating to body weight - squat 165kg - bench 80kg - deadlift 175 in the gym and was a bit bigger back then. 250mg x2 monday and thursday - 12weeks? how about ten if not 8 ?

how shall I incorporate dbol into this cycle? first four weeks one bottle will cover 3 weeks at two pills a day which is 20mg of blue hearts.

I understand about issues with side effects and identifying them will be easier if just on test - but what about test and dbol (bread and butter cycle) I really wanted to add deca durabolin into the cycle as I heard it works wonders for injuries since I have a few myself, anyway to incorporate this?

And is it possible to get a better breakdown for this cycle form you guys? and PCT dont understand novla 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50? is that 40mg a day for the first week + 100mg of clomid for first weeks etc and so on?

cheers - I'm clearly a newbie lol but will be great to have a log and post results and pictures of this transformation

[Capebuffalo]

Ex 40 per day week 1 20 mg per day week 2. Run a test only cycle to start. You will gain plenty if diet and training are good

[vixdyne]

OK straight test e for 8-10 weeks 500mg split 250 x2 a weeks - dbol to kickstart maybe? proviron through out? can someone give me a good idea for a PCT for this simple first cycle beginning two weeks after last injection I assume. anything to keep gyno away side effects etc just nolva I assume if any occur

thanks for the feedback guys

[vixdyne]

OK straight test e for 8-10 weeks 500mg split 250 x2 a weeks - dbol to kickstart maybe? proviron through out? can someone give me a good idea for a PCT for this simple first cycle beginning two weeks after last injection I assume. anything to keep gyno away side effects etc just nolva I assume if any occur

thanks for the feedback guys

[Turkish Juicer]

Test Prop is a much better choice for a first cycle, especially if this cycle is an 8 week cycle.

100mg EOD for a first cycle is a decent dose. 150mg EOD can also be tried, but not necessary IMO.

100mg EOD protocol may not even require an AI use throughout the cycle, since this only refers to a total amount of 375mg of Test a week. Once this dose is exceeded, however, it would be smart to implement Arimidex 0.25mg EOD protocol.

Test Prop is a fast acting compound, hence you wouldn't need to kick start it with an oral either.

Also, you will be able to start your PCT only 3 days after your last pinning of Prop, meaning that recovery will be faster and overall better.

PCT for an 8 week Test Prop only cycle will also be relatively light and easy.

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Flawless implementation of diet, workout and recovery are the keys to growth during an AAS cycle, not the dosing of a compound and/or stacking AAS. Another key is to running a solid PCT protocol and making sure recovery is fast and overall effective so that another short cycle can be started in about 3-4 months after PCT.

[vixdyne]

Thanks for the feedback people very appreciated.

I've decided to get the following gear -

Test E for 10 or possible twelve depending on how things are

Dbol first 4-6 weeks

Shall I take arimdex thought cycle? If so how much will
I need - pretty pricey stuff but I think it's a low dose or even half the pill
Everyday.

I will also have nolvadex - proviron and clomid in hand

Proviron instead of arimdex ? Can you guys clear this up for me
Cheers

Pre workout formula - c4 or ph assault

During Scivation xrend - creatine and dextrose

Post syntha6 and 100% gold whey

Loads of food protein and calories(4000)

Cheers.

[vixdyne]

Test e at 500mg a week split into two doses of 250mg

Dbol 30mg

[nakota2k]

Test Prop is a much better choice for a first cycle, especially if this cycle is an 8 week cycle.

100mg EOD for a first cycle is a decent dose. 150mg EOD can also be tried, but not necessary IMO.

100mg EOD protocol may not even require an AI use throughout the cycle, since this only refers to a total amount of 375mg of Test a week. Once this dose is exceeded, however, it would be smart to implement Arimidex 0.25mg EOD protocol.

Test Prop is a fast acting compound, hence you wouldn't need to kick start it with an oral either.

Also, you will be able to start your PCT only 3 days after your last pinning of Prop, meaning that recovery will be faster and overall better.

PCT for an 8 week Test Prop only cycle will also be relatively light and easy.

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Flawless implementation of diet, workout and recovery are the keys to growth during an AAS cycle, not the dosing of a compound and/or stacking AAS. Another key is to running a solid PCT protocol and making sure recovery is fast and overall effective so that another short cycle can be started in about 3-4 months after PCT.

He may not heed your advice about Prop but you swayed me. Thanks

[vixdyne]

great advice from Turkish juicer but I can only work with what I have...

cheers bud

[vixdyne]

Hey guys so I will be running 30mg for 4-6 weeks and test e 500mg split for 10-12 weeks any ideas if I should run proviron all the way? Or arimidex if so how much? Through out the cycle and what's better for pct? nolvadex or clomid heard all I bad stuff about clomid shall I go with nolvadex for four weeks?

[vixdyne]

Dbol at 30mg for four weeks that is

[binsser]

arimidex is what i use quater of pill eod nolva and clomid not one or the other 40/40/20/20 - 50/50/25/25

AND prop is loads better than test-e by far with little to no side for me E was a nightmare!

[vixdyne]

Cheers for the advice man - prop I don't have - is that a total of 8weekspct ? Or 4 just one or the other right ? Lol
Proviron thought? Maybe? Will let you know if I can get arimdex and then it will be quarter pill every other day - what about if I get gyno signs durin cycle? Nolvadex? Or will aimedx or proviron through out the cycle fix this? Whys better for this course arimdex or proviron? Durin cycle and what's better pct nolvadex or clomid or is it essential to have both -

Big thanks for the help guys have poste on another forum and have got some shitty comments about getting my weight up more but they don't understand I'm not purely doing this for size as I play a lot of sports too cheers for the helpful comments

Yeah buddy!

[Turkish Juicer]

1. It is 4 week PCT.

2. Yes, it is essential to run both Nolvadex and Clomid for PCT.

3. Proviron cannot be counted on when its used alone on a cycle, a new generation AI such as Arimidex, Aromasin or Letro will be a wiser choice for most users.

4. It is not very ikely that you will experience gyno development during a 500mg Test E only cycle if you are running an AI with it from the start. If you do, however, then you start a thread immediately and you will get help for this.

[binsser]

mmm just looked at your chart and your doubleing doses on week 2-3 to 400 then down again to 200?? most people would front load at the begining of the cycle not into week 3-4 then go back down sort of like week 1-2 400 mg and 200mg from there on! just something for you too think about bud!

[vixdyne]

Thank you Turkish juicer quick question arimdex dosage? And when if started from beginning ?

Binnser - the table image is wrong here is the actual cycle

Dbol 30mg daily for 4-6 weeks

Test e 250mg twice a week mon-thurs for 10weeks

Arimdex EOD quarter pill?

PCT - 2 weeks after last pin?

clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20

how does the pct look?

Thanks bud

[binsser]

nolva 40/40/20/20 mate but yeah looks ok!

[Turkish Juicer]

Thank you Turkish juicer quick question arimdex dosage? And when if started from beginning ? Yes, 0.25mg EOD from the very beginning of the cycle all the way up to PCT.

PCT - 2 weeks after last pin? Yes, wait 14 days after last pinning of Test E and start your PCT.

clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20

how does the pct look? 100mg of Clomid ED for the first 2 weeks for a novice cycle is EXCESSIVE. As I am well aware of the fact that such dosing recommendation has quickly become the general consensus on this board, however, facts remain about Clomid sides as they can be pretty nasty for some people as opposed to Nolvadex. In the last result, Clomid at 50mg ED for 4 weeks will be plenty for recovery, no need to overdose it for the first two weeks. Nolvadex, on the other hand, can be much more safely double dosed at 40mg for the first two weeks, although I don't see it as an absolute necessity either.

Thanks bud

Good luck!