Tes P and Hcg

**Buster Brown** · 05-20-2012, 05:35 AM

Hi guys,
I am trying to tweak a cycle I am planning on starting in two weeks. It will be my first cycle in quite sometime. My stats: 42 yrs.old weight 182, height 5'9", bf 11%, lifting since I was 16. I have done several cycles back in my twenties but never followed a Pct. ( Never even heard of that back then)
Cycle looks as follows:
Week 1-10 Tes C @ 400 mgs.
week 11-12 Tes P @ 100 mgs. eod
weeks 1-12 L-dex @ .25 mgs eod ( I still remember the bloat, I am sure my diet was as clean as it could have been)
weeks 13-16 L-nov @ 40 40 20 20 and L-clom @ 100 50 50 50 ( will start Pct 3 days after last Tes P pinning)
weeks 2-12 Hcg @ 250 iu's twice a week
Here is my problem. I have been reading up on ALL the different types of hcg protocols and it seems like the one most guys seem to be using involve pinning twice a week and stopping around the time of there last Tes shot. At this point depending on the type Tes you use, you wait for the esthers to clear than start your Pct. No further Hcg is taken.
I will be using Tes P the last two weeks of my cycle so I can hop on pct and speed up recovery. My question is when do I stop using the Hcg, does it need a two week window to clear before Pct in which I would stopit at week 10 or should I run right up through week 12?
I remember the crashing after cycles when I was younger and it was horrible, part of the reason why I stopped. I am really looking forward to doing a cycle that covers all the basis. Thanks guys, the info on this site is priceless and sure wish it was around when I was younger.

**stpete** · 05-20-2012, 05:57 AM

Cycle looks fine except for the prop. The cyp will still be in your system when you start the prop, so i'd just leave the prop out and start PCT 18 days after last injection.
As for the HCG , run it till 4 days prior to PCT. And your PCT looks good.

**Buster Brown** · 05-20-2012, 08:10 AM

Thanks for your quick reply, I will change my cycle to 12 weeks of tes c @ 400mgs. For future cycle planning, would you say it is not wise to switch from a long esther tes to a short esther at the end of a cycle? I only 20 cc's worth of tes p, should I save it to kick start a future cycle? and finally once I recon the Hcg with bacteriostatic h20 and refrigerate, is 30 days the max that you can use it? Thanks for the help.

**stpete** · 05-20-2012, 01:21 PM

That's a better plan imo. And yes, use the shorter ester at the start of a cycle. And 30 days for the hcg is common and i never use any after 30 days. It starts to lose it's potency after 5-6 weeks.

**Buster Brown** · 05-20-2012, 05:15 PM

Thanks for your help. I really hope the extra efforts I'm making with the Hcg and clomid pay off for some solid gains. I grabbed a 30cc bottle of bacteriostatic h20 and vials so that will be enough to complete the cycle. My diet in the early days was not spot on and has definitely improved through research. Again thanks for the help, you guys rock!

**fontazya** · 05-20-2012, 06:16 PM

i love using short esters like prop at end of cycle while waiting for long esters to clear.. keeps me motivated and less loss of strength etc but thats just personal preference and is not necessarily required.. as was said above the cyp will still be in ur system.. and yes stop the hcg about 4 days prior to starting pct.. good luck!

**Buster Brown** · 05-21-2012, 07:23 AM

Thanks for the advice. I think I will stick to the Tes C for the whole 12 weeks this time out. I will def use the Hcg right up to 4 days prior to pct. I think I will try the Tes P as a kick start in a future cycle along with a Tes base. This way I can monitor the sides right from the get go. Even though I have to wait 18 days for esthers to clear, I should be able to get one solid week of good lifting before things start going south. As I mentioned earlier, back in the day pct was unheard of. At least in the circle of people I knew. I am extremely motivated to see what the outcome will be after a proper pct. At my age I am extremely realistic in what my goals are, just want to keep them! Thanks.

**Rhodium** · 05-21-2012, 09:11 AM

good luck!

**cb714** · 05-21-2012, 12:37 PM

Prop, if you choose to do it with your cyp should be at the beginning of the cycle.. kind of like a "kickstart", not at the end since the cyp will still be lingering around. Besides at 12 weeks you won't be seeing any significant gains anyway. Make sure you only mix whatever HCG you need and keep it in the fridge. its good for about 30-45 days after being mixed.