3 months after stopping everything ED still there

**steropower** · 08-24-2009, 11:19 AM

It's been 3 months since i have stopped everything including PCT after a 6 week cycle of Tren A and Test P.Since i stopped the cycle(before PCT) and afterwards i noticed weak erections.

I went to 3 docs.

One said i had prostatitis and prescribed antibiotics and NSAIDS that i never took,2nd said it was hormonal imbalance and 3rd said it had to do with vascular system and hormones has to do only with desire.

So the 2nd and 3rd prescribed me Cialis 5mg daily for 2 months.1st month was responding well.Everything was normal and turned the clock 10 years back.2nd month was dissapointing.The response was reduced as the time went by.

I decided to quit Cialis and found out that nothing changed.I was as before i started.So nothing cured at last.

The question is why the 3rd doctor said hormones have to do only with desire?If this is true why when i was on Test my erection was hard rock?

Should i see one more doc?All of them were urologists.

Should i wait more time to pass by?I don't see any improvement during the last 3 months.

**thai-lan** · 08-24-2009, 11:22 AM

what was your pct like?

**stack_it** · 08-24-2009, 11:26 AM

Try talking to an endocrinologist. I was having problems with being tired and having no sex drive and that's what my doctor referred me to. I ended up redoing pct and everything seems good now. What was your pct?

**steropower** · 08-24-2009, 11:37 AM

My PCT was

Week Nolvadex HCG Proviron Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 100mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 100mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 100mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 100mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 100mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

I have done the same after an 8 week Test E only cycle at 750mg/w and was fine.

Actually is the 3rd time i did this PCT.The othe was after a Dbol only cycle.

I don't feel depressed and checked my Test levels during 4th week of PCT was 7.7ng with 11ng the lab's limit.The doc said was fine.

The problem started 2 days after i stopped Test P.My last 2 weeks of cycle was only Test P.Tren was there only for 4 weeks and in moderate doses of 75mg EOD.

BG · 08-24-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by stack_it

Try talking to an endocrinologist. I was having problems with being tired and having no sex drive and that's what my doctor referred me to. I ended up redoing pct and everything seems good now. What was your pct?

X 2 . I would start by doing another pct and if that doesnt work see an endo.

BG · 08-24-2009, 11:41 AM

Need to add clomid to that. Check your pm's...

**Vitruvian-Man** · 08-24-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by steropower

My PCT was

Week Nolvadex HCG Proviron Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 100mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 100mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 100mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 100mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 100mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

I have done the same after an 8 week Test E only cycle at 750mg/w and was fine.

Actually is the 3rd time i did this PCT.The othe was after a Dbol only cycle.

I don't feel depressed and checked my Test levels during 4th week of PCT was 7.7ng with 11ng the lab's limit.The doc said was fine.

The problem started 2 days after i stopped Test P.My last 2 weeks of cycle was only Test P.Tren was there only for 4 weeks and in moderate doses of 75mg EOD.

That's WAAAAY too much proviron to be running during PCT.

During PCT proviron should only be run @ 25 - 50mg (max 50mg IMO)... anything over that will cause suppression of the HPTA.

The only time you should run proviron @ 100mg is when you're using it ON cycle.

BG · 08-24-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

That's WAAAAY too much proviron to be running during PCT.

During PCT proviron should only be run @ 25 - 50mg (max 50mg IMO)... anything over that will cause suppression of the HPTA.

The only time you should run proviron @ 100mg is when you're using it ON cycle.

Wow I missed that, I wouldnt even use it at all.

**steropower** · 08-24-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

That's WAAAAY too much proviron to be running during PCT.

During PCT proviron should only be run @ 25 - 50mg (max 50mg IMO)... anything over that will cause suppression of the HPTA.

The only time you should run proviron @ 100mg is when you're using it ON cycle.

As i said have done this 2 more times with no problems.Kept the gains and sex was there.

**Vitruvian-Man** · 08-24-2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by BG

Wow I missed that, I wouldnt even use it at all.

haha... Yah. It's definitely one of the most overlooked compounds.

Most people don't even know what proviron is!

I don't personally utilize it during my PCT.. however, I do like to run it on cycle for it's synergy with test.

Originally Posted by steropower

As i said have done this 2 more times with no problems.Kept the gains and sex was there.

Something like 33% of men experienced suppression of the HPTA when running proviron @ a dosage of 25mg. And you're trying to tell me that you ran it at 4 times that amount for the course of 4 weeks... and it has nothing to do with your ED?

seems like logical reasoning...

BG · 08-24-2009, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man

I don't personally utilize it during my PCT.. however, I do like to run it on cycle for it's synergy with test.

Me either, its great for 19 nor cycles, I sometimes have a little bit of a sex drive problem with heavy dosages but proviron saves the day.

**steropower** · 08-25-2009, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by stack_it

Try talking to an endocrinologist. I was having problems with being tired and having no sex drive and that's what my doctor referred me to. I ended up redoing pct and everything seems good now. What was your pct?

Well i'm not feeling tired or not having desire.It's only weak erection nothing else.

Could this be due to elevated Prolactin?The dose was so low 75mg EOD of Tren A only for 4 weeks and Caber was there..

**sizerp** · 08-25-2009, 03:53 AM

Why did you use HCG during PCT?

**steropower** · 08-25-2009, 05:52 AM

For bringing normal test levels back faster.

**Azyzz** · 08-25-2009, 06:06 AM

virtuvian man, what did you want to tell me aboutme in a magazine before? just post it here lol

**alpmaster** · 08-25-2009, 07:07 AM

Find out your estro and prolactin levels, report back. Run another PCT in the meantime, standard nolva/clomid.

NS · 08-25-2009, 07:53 AM

That use of hcg seems excessive. Isn't it standard to run hcg at 500ui every 5 days during cycle and stop before pct?

**steropower** · 08-28-2009, 03:25 AM

I went to an endocrinologist and prescribed me some hormone blood tests.

**Dog-Slime** · 08-28-2009, 10:54 AM

Rerun your pct with no HCG and no proviron . Add clomid and arimidex for the first 4 weeks. I bet this will fix the problem.

**steropower** · 08-28-2009, 04:10 PM

Hmm,everyone has a different recipe here...

**Ashop** · 08-28-2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by steropower

It's been 3 months since i have stopped everything including PCT after a 6 week cycle of Tren A and Test P.Since i stopped the cycle(before PCT) and afterwards i noticed weak erections.

I went to 3 docs.

One said i had prostatitis and prescribed antibiotics and NSAIDS that i never took,2nd said it was hormonal imbalance and 3rd said it had to do with vascular system and hormones has to do only with desire.

So the 2nd and 3rd prescribed me Cialis 5mg daily for 2 months.1st month was responding well.Everything was normal and turned the clock 10 years back.2nd month was dissapointing.The response was reduced as the time went by.

I decided to quit Cialis and found out that nothing changed.I was as before i started.So nothing cured at last.

The question is why the 3rd doctor said hormones have to do only with desire?If this is true why when i was on Test my erection was hard rock?

Should i see one more doc?All of them were urologists.

Should i wait more time to pass by?I don't see any improvement during the last 3 months.

Have you had your natural hormone levels tested to see where your at?

**chriswhat** · 08-30-2009, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by steropower

I went to an endocrinologist and prescribed me some hormone blood tests.

Let us know how they turn out. Tren messes a lot of guys up in this way. The tren metabolites hang around a long time and continue to screw with your system. I am eager to see what the tests show regarding prolactin/progesterone levels.

**steropower** · 08-31-2009, 02:29 PM

CPK 123 NORMAL 38-174 U/L
TSH-3G 1.39 NORMAL 0.27-4.2 uIU/ml
ANTI-TPO 15.29 NORMAL <115 IU/ml
FSH 2.74 NORMAL 1.5-12.4 IU/ml
LH 3.65 NORMAL 1.7-8.6 mIU/ml
PROLACTIN 16.31 NORMAL 4.04-15.2 ng/ml
PROGESTERONE 0.63 NORMAL 0.2-1.4 ng/ml
ESTRADIOL(E2) 20.58 NORMAL 7.63-42.6 pg/ml
TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 5.47 NORMAL 2.8-8 ng/ml
S-DHEA 2.04 NORMAL 1.6-4.49 ug/ml (MEN 25-34 YEARS)

Only prolactin is out of range.That was my thought.How do you see my other values?

**chriswhat** · 08-31-2009, 05:40 PM

I figured the prolactin would be wonky. Your LH, and FSH are a bit lower than I would like also. Okay just my opinion but this is what I would do. No HCG , No Proviron , and no tren ever again. I would run Nolvadex @ 20 mg and Pramipexole (for prolactin/progesterone) @ 0.25 mg and build up to 1 mg for 8 weeks. If you like you could try Toremifene instead of the Nolva, I prefer it. I would stay away from the cialis as well, you can become somewhat dependent on it. If you do use the Pramipexole PM me on how to use it, it is powerful stuff. You can get a script for Pramipexole (Mirapex) easily, it is prescribed for Restless Legs Syndrome, look up the symptoms to tell your doc.

**steropower** · 08-31-2009, 05:49 PM

My decision is no steroids again.That's enough for me.This was the worst side i had from steroids ever.No more drugs.I took my lesson.

Anyway i was wondering if there is a rebound effect after discontinuation of dopamine agonists.I have read in pubmed about Cabergoline and it's effect on psychogenic ED.The results are amazing but doesn't say anything about what happens after the patients stopped using the drug.Probably Prolactin won't keep so low when off the drug but will it stay under control or will rise again?

By the way Cialis didn't have any rebound effect and that's what my doc had told me.Not to worry about this.I feel a bit better after using it,although i have quit using it the last 2 weeks.

**chriswhat** · 08-31-2009, 07:13 PM

That is a good choice. I am not anti steroid by any means, but we have to have our priorities in order. As far as a rebound from caber, I am not sure. Most of my research has been on Prami, since I was able to obtain a script easily. I am sure that the caber would not permanently lower prolactin levels, but not sure if you could get a rebound. Do you have any caber left? I would consider using it for a few weeks and check prolactin levels again or just see how you feel. You will be fine, given enough time. Good luck.

**Mikemay** · 06-07-2010, 07:14 PM

Hey this exact thing has happened to me, I really want to know how redoing your pct went as well as what you ended up using. Im a bit scared to redue my pct again because my doc told me to stop taking everything. Please help

**Vitruvian-Man** · 06-07-2010, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemay

Hey this exact thing has happened to me, I really want to know how redoing your pct went as well as what you ended up using. Im a bit scared to redue my pct again because my doc told me to stop taking everything. Please help

Start your own thread... but when you do, give us more info in it... your stats: age, etc... and the cycle you did (duration, and amount of each compound used.) and exactly what your PCT consisted of.

It'll make helping you a lot easier.

-VM

**AlphaGenetics** · 06-07-2010, 08:44 PM

TRen is a erection wrecker. I ran it for 8 weeks and couldnt get a quality erection for over a year. **** tren.

**schumis** · 05-24-2012, 08:25 AM

do i need a ptc? i have been taking supliments for a while now and stacked it with some dbol for about a month. now i have a weak erection ever since and i stopped taking everything. didnt take anything recovery wise. its been about 8 months now and still a weak erection. but i never took a post. should i consider it? i went to doctors and he said wait a few more months and test testosterone again. first time said my levels were fine.

**cb714** · 05-24-2012, 09:47 AM

HCG should be ran on-cycle bro. Running it for PCT will be counter productive to recovery. Try running the standard nolva/clomid combo and see if that helps.