tren e,sust, masteron cycle gyno prob

**bstacked** · 08-13-2013, 10:40 AM

Ok 6wks in everything was going.great.till yesterday right nip was sore and felt a lil bump so I messed with it and checked for.fluid and clear.fluid came.out.of nips I.took .5 caber last night and 12.5 aromasin I have other.ais as well no letro though

I take 1 shot every 4days
Of 1cc sust 250, 1cc masteron e 200,tren e 200 lmk what I should do or.if.I took.the.right step amd how.often I.should.take it I.never.had.any.issues like this.luckily I.keep everything.on.hand just.in.case just.dont.have.the.letro.I.have.everything.else

**bstacked** · 08-13-2013, 11:43 AM

Bump. Cmon.bros

**Lunk1** · 08-13-2013, 11:46 AM

Have you been using aromasin throughout or just since you noticed the lump?

**Buddyguy** · 08-13-2013, 11:47 AM

were u running your ai the whole cycle or just when the gyno flared up?

**Buddyguy** · 08-13-2013, 11:48 AM

lol ^^^

**bstacked** · 08-13-2013, 04:30 PM

Yesterday had issue took the ai.and caber Ive taken like 6cycles never had.an.issue but.always.had things.on.hand.just in.case so to.answer you question no I.just started taking it yesterday and yesterday is when the problem.began today.nipple is less sore but still worried cause.I.never.had an.issue before hence the.reason for my.post

**Lunk1** · 08-13-2013, 04:33 PM

Keep running the AI and the Caber. This is why you should always run an Ai on cycle...

**bstacked** · 08-13-2013, 04:36 PM

I.def.will after this id.rather be safe.then with.milky.tits lol.how often.should.I.take.the.caber .5 e4d? And aromasin 12.5 eod? Or.should.I.bump.up.and.slowly mg down etc

**Lunk1** · 08-13-2013, 04:41 PM

I'd run Caber .25mg 2X per week. Also I would add Nolva at 20mg ED to help with the existing lump.

**bstacked** · 08-13-2013, 04:53 PM

So.drop the aromasin or continue.it.and.add.nolva

**Buddyguy** · 08-13-2013, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by bstacked

I.def.will after this id.rather be safe.then with.milky.tits lol.how often.should.I.take.the.caber .5 e4d? And aromasin 12.5 eod? Or.should.I.bump.up.and.slowly mg down etc

Yee pretty sure tren is notorious for milky tits because of the progesterone conversion??

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by bstacked

Yesterday had issue took the ai.and caber Ive taken like 6cycles never had.an.issue but.always.had things.on.hand.just in.case so to.answer you question no I.just started taking it yesterday and yesterday is when the problem.began today.nipple is less sore but still worried cause.I.never.had an.issue before hence the.reason for my.post

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Silly! That's why you take the cabergoline and the AI from the start of the cycle - to block and down regulate the estrogen/progesterone/prolactin cascade. Having the stuff "on hand" is like placing an aspirin on the counter and expecting it to stop your headache!!! These things only work when you TAKE them.

Elevated estrogen is a serious risk. Guys that think bitch tits are the only real problem have no idea that circulating estrogens can lead to blood clots (embolisms), stroke, heart attack or DVTs - far more severe than floppy man boobs!

Hey, at least you had the sense to ask, but next time, plan a proper cycle that doesn't put your health at unnecessary risk.

**SlinKing** · 08-13-2013, 06:43 PM

This would be my protocol for estro/prog/gyno control on a cycle like that. (i like nuking my estro completely unlike most people)

Every 2 days take:
10-20mg nolva
1 mg letro
.3-.4 mg prami

don't mess with caber. it's stupid and hard on the wallet

edit: you should have also like doubled the mast dose if you wanted it to do any work.

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by SlinKing

This would be my protocol for estro/prog/gyno control on a cycle like that. (i like nuking my estro completely unlike most people)

Every 2 days take:
10-20mg nolva
1 mg letro
.3-.4 mg prami

don't mess with caber. it's stupid and hard on the wallet

edit: you should have also like doubled the mast dose if you wanted it to do any work.

Dostinex (cabergoline) stupid? I disagree. The side effect profiles of the two are very similar. Severe adverse events are clinically greater with Mirapex (pramipexole). Prices are similar. One advantage of Mirapex is that there are more dose ranges available relative to caber.

It's also a personal preference. Some simply tolerate one better than the other. I certainly wouldn't rule out caber.

**crazy mike** · 08-13-2013, 07:03 PM

Thanks MuscleInk that was good straight talk. . Even though I am not so familiar with all the ramifications about high Estrogen I am aware of the Gyno and how hard it is to reverse. I am an example of that and with that being said I've told so many on here why wait untilled you have a problem to fix. Keep the preventative maintenance going. WTF why would you wait for something to go wrong wirth anything in life before taking the steps to prevent it knowing that you could. "Hey do we keep or seatbelts there on hand so we can put them on if we go into a tail spin.

I just cringe when I hear people say they have something on hand just in case in case they begin to have Gyno or other problems In my book if you begin to have the symptoms then you are in trouble. Thanks to people like you and a few others on here we get to lean more about the ramification of not being educated in the safest possible way to USE aas.
So I wish that some of these guys would a least listen to a guy who has experienced Gyno only and take my advise. Don't cycle without taking your AI. Reversing Gyno and other,.. huh?? better also incorporate prayer...crazy mike

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by SlinKing

This would be my protocol for estro/prog/gyno control on a cycle like that. (i like nuking my estro completely unlike most people)

Every 2 days take:
10-20mg nolva
1 mg letro
.3-.4 mg prami

don't mess with caber. it's stupid and hard on the wallet

edit: you should have also like doubled the mast dose if you wanted it to do any work.

Also with masteron , doubling the dose may not achieve desired results if bf is greater than 14%. Of greater concern is the DHT properties of masteron. Mast has an exceptionally high affinity for transmembrane androgen receptors in the prostate gland increasing risks for enlarged prostate or mutagenesis of glandular cells in the prostate fossa.

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Thanks MuscleInk that was good straight talk. . Even though I am not so familiar with all the ramifications about high Estrogen I am aware of the Gyno and how hard it is to reverse. I am an example of that and with that being said I've told so many on here why wait untilled you have a problem to fix. Keep the preventative maintenance going. WTF why would you wait for something to go wrong wirth anything in life before taking the steps to prevent it knowing that you could. "Hey do we keep or seatbelts there on hand so we can put them on if we go into a tail spin.

I just cringe when I hear people say they have something on hand just in case in case they begin to have Gyno or other problems In my book if you begin to have the symptoms then you are in trouble. Thanks to people like you and a few others on here we get to lean more about the ramification of not being educated in the safest possible way to USE aas.
So I wish that some of these guys would a least listen to a guy who has experienced Gyno only and take my advise. Don't cycle without taking your AI. Reversing Gyno and other,.. huh?? better also incorporate prayer...crazy mike

Unfortunately I think many guys wrongly assume that side effects will be visible and THEN it's time to act. In reality, many adverse events are "silent" and this can carry a far greater risk - i.e. what you don't see, could kill you.

**kelkel** · 08-13-2013, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Unfortunately I think many guys wrongly assume that side effects will be visible and THEN it's time to act. In reality, many adverse events are "silent" and this can carry a far greater risk - i.e. what you don't see, could kill you.

How long have we been preaching this MI!

**crazy mike** · 08-13-2013, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Unfortunately I think many guys wrongly assume that side effects will be visible and THEN it's time to act. In reality, many adverse events are "silent" and this can carry a far greater risk - i.e. what you don't see, could kill you.

Ya know MI and Kel I feel like one of the lucky guys. I have been listening to both of you and people like Austinite since I came on board. I have learned invaluable information. What I did right was I've been listening and reading up. I can only really talk about the Gyno myself but ya know if you see these things in your breasts well why can you not figure out that everything started inside you long before it came visible. Ya see Simple Simon would say Oh Sh!t not I have to revers what I can't see to get to where I can see the reverse. ...uh hello ..lights are on guys but is anyone home. So go figure about the BW and what you can't see, do you need to drop/get sick where you can see and feel that before you take heed. Oh well I'm rambling

. ...I'll stop, but thanks guys. ...crazy mike

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

How long have we been preaching this MI!

As long as I can remember....but I don't have the memory of a kid any more so that's not saying much. Lol

Fortunately, many of these cases will be corrected before serious problems develop but it's still an important lesson for everyone to learn.

I'm giving a talk on androgens tomorrow in Boston and covering some of the risks of circulating estrogens. So excited I can barely sit still (not not really).

**Lunk1** · 08-13-2013, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

As long as I can remember....but I don't have the memory of a kid any more so that's not saying much. Lol

Fortunately, many of these cases will be corrected before serious problems develop but it's still an important lesson for everyone to learn.

I'm giving a talk on androgens tomorrow in Boston and covering some of the risks of circulating estrogens. So excited I can barely sit still (not not really).

You should be studying

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You should be studying

My cerebral cortex can't take any more!!!!

Actually, just finished my only meal for the day. I HATE traveling. Can't wait to get back home tomorrow.

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Ya know MI and Kel I feel like one of the lucky guys. I have been listening to both of you and people like Austinite since I came on board. I have learned invaluable information. What I did right was I've been listening and reading up. I can only really talk about the Gyno myself but ya know if you see these things in your breasts well why can you not figure out that everything started inside you long before it came visible. Ya see Simple Simon would say Oh Sh!t not I have to revers what I can't see to get to where I can see the reverse. ...uh hello ..lights are on guys but is anyone home. So go figure about the BW and what you can't see, do you need to drop/get sick where you can see and feel that before you take heed. Oh well I'm rambling

. ...I'll stop, but thanks guys. ...crazy mike

We all learn from one another CM and you bring considerable experience into each discussion. IMO, guys like you add real validity to the discussions. You've been there. Done that. Whether right or wrong based on past mistakes, you are a valuable contributor.

So thank you for your contributions and the insight you bring to guide us all in the right direction.

MI

**kelkel** · 08-13-2013, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

As long as I can remember....but I don't have the memory of a kid any more so that's not saying much. Lol

Fortunately, many of these cases will be corrected before serious problems develop but it's still an important lesson for everyone to learn.

I'm giving a talk on androgens tomorrow in Boston and covering some of the risks of circulating estrogens. So excited I can barely sit still (not not really).

Consider posting your talk in a thread here. No doubt it would a great read!

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Consider posting your talk in a thread here. No doubt it would a great read!

Good cure for insomnia? Lol. Some good info though. Was fun putting it all together.

**crazy mike** · 08-13-2013, 07:52 PM

I'm embarrassed to quote you MI. Thanks for what you said it makes an old guy like me feel good. stay cool guys. ...crazy mike

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

I'm embarrassed to quote you MI. Thanks for what you said it makes an old guy like me feel good. stay cool guys. ...crazy mike

Lol, never feel embarrassed. This place wouldn't be the same without you big guy!

**Lunk1** · 08-13-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Consider posting your talk in a thread here. No doubt it would be boring as fuk!

agreed!

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

agreed!

Now I'm going to force you to listen to it - especially when I discuss all 200+ mutational pathways involved in over expression and up regulation of androgen receptors in the prostate!

**Lunk1** · 08-13-2013, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Now I'm going to force you to listen to it - especially when I discuss all 200+ mutational pathways involved in over expression and up regulation of androgen receptors in the prostate!

Why do you always want to discuss my prostate?

**crazy mike** · 08-13-2013, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Now I'm going to force you to listen to it - especially when I discuss all 200+ mutational pathways involved in over expression and up regulation of androgen receptors in the prostate!

Ah ha!!... Huh

, Yea !! lol ...crazy mike again

**kelkel** · 08-13-2013, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Good cure for insomnia? Lol. Some good info though. Was fun putting it all together.

Cliff notes maybe?

**MuscleInk** · 08-13-2013, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Why do you always want to discuss my prostate?

Next time you need an AI, I'm sending you a bottle of diethylstilbestrol funny man!

**bstacked** · 08-16-2013, 07:33 AM

I.got.it.down.under.control did .5 caber, half tab of.aromasin .in.am.and the other half.pm with one.nolva per day am gonna drop.the tren even tho.I.dont.want to today.I.was.supposed.to.pin but after thos.ordeal ill stick.to.one 19nor either deca or.tren and since.I.have.sust for.my.test deca stay tren goes.masteron stays.and im gonna start ramoing the dosage of.the ai and caber slowly back to half tab eod and caber ill keep at .5 once a week and im gonna drop.the.nolva lmk.if that sounds ok my.shots are taken later in the day so I.have some time to.decide

**bstacked** · 08-16-2013, 07:37 AM

Thanks for all.the info.guys.much.appreciated.I.do alot of research and.read alot.of.different ways to go about correcting gyno estro probs but.I like first person experiences better tried and true ftw

**bstacked** · 08-20-2013, 03:53 PM

All.gyno.related issues been gone for.a.few.days no zits, no puffy nip, no hard ball under nip, no liquid out nip thank you all for.feedback and now.I.know.how.to.battle gyno from estro/prolactin caber nolva.and aromasin worked for me

**Lunk1** · 08-20-2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by bstacked

All.gyno.related issues been gone for.a.few.days no zits, no puffy nip, no hard ball under nip, no liquid out nip thank you all for.feedback and now.I.know.how.to.battle gyno from estro/prolactin caber nolva.and aromasin worked for me

Remember the old saying. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

**bstacked** · 08-20-2013, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Remember the old saying. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Yea never needed serms or ai while on cycle but obviously it doesnt matter lol glad I keep all that stuff on hand always from now on "while on" low dose of ai dont ever wanna go through.that.again lmao.it was a crash coarse for me luckily it was the right stuff and it worked and I got.through.it.and.have.that under my.belt for future.reference if.anyone has an issue ill have a possible answer thanks for your help.bro