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    Test, mast combo low dose

    So instead of running test at 500mg a week I was thinking of running test E 250mg and week and mast e 250mg a week. Still a total of 500mg AAS per week just less of each. I figured this could minimize the sides of each compound and since mast fights estrogen and lowers SHBG therefore making the test more effective this could be a good combination with around the same gains as a 500mg test cycle. just less side effects less water retention. any thoughts? Mast has been called an anti side effect steroid .
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    One last bump

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    Just throw in the mast on top of your 500mgs a week of test.

    But throw in like 400/week.

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    Dammit, another youngin'!!

    Stay safe, Bro. Keep in mind the consequences of using AAS and risking damage to an endocrine system that hasn't finished developing.

    Do you have any cycle experience?

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    JD the whole point is I dont want to run 900mg of AAS.

    I was wondering if the catalytic effect of the mast on test would make it around the same gains as 500mg of test cycle

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    see my approach to AAS is less is better. I dont need to blow up, I just want help while keeping sides down.

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    500 test and 400 mast will have around the same risk of sides of running 250 of each.

    Your gains will be better and you won't have to worry about blowing up too much. The mast will keep your gains good and lean.

    Either way, your pct will be the same, your recovery will be the same, but you gains will be of a higher quality.

    I am only advising on this under the assumption that you have cycle experience. If not, run 500mgs/week of test alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAAS View Post
    see my approach to AAS is less is better. I dont need to blow up, I just want help while keeping sides down.
    One way to not "blow up" is to not take steroids at all. How about taking that approach? You won't have to worry about sides or getting too big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel

    One way to not "blow up" is to not take steroids at all. How about taking that approach? You won't have to worry about sides or getting too big.
    Is truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel View Post
    One way to not "blow up" is to not take steroids at all. How about taking that approach? You won't have to worry about sides or getting too big.
    which is why you are both here right? to not take steroids ?

    Every one has there own view on weather they should or shouldn't take them.

    I am glad you are concerned for my health, but in the end Ill do what I want and you do what you like.

    As far as cycles go I have already done a Test E 500mg cycle.

    I was just thinking this as an idea or basically running a test cycle but with drier gains and less estrogen related sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel View Post
    One way to not "blow up" is to not take steroids at all. How about taking that approach? You won't have to worry about sides or getting too big.
    But that would be logical.

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    IE im looking for the same gains as a 500mg test cycle, I would logically assume that 500mg test e and 400mg mast would give me noticeably more gains with more side affects as a 500mg test cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAAS View Post
    IE im looking for the same gains as a 500mg test cycle, I would logically assume that 500mg test e and 400mg mast would give me noticeably gains with mosre side affects as a 500mg test cycle.
    Bro, lay off the juice. You're too young. Just eat and train for 3 years.

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    I love it when people just focus completely on telling people what to do instead of educating on certain concepts on the actual steroids .
    And if I were to have 5000 post you wouldn't react the same way.

    Is it completely frowned apon to not take massive amounts and become the biggest you possibly can in the shortest amount of time?
    Youre basically saying if you are going to take steroids you should abuse them to the fullest extent, instead of taking a moderate dose. Yes I could gain it naturally in 3 years but I dont want to wait 3 years, and neither do you. OR were both of you 25 and positive that you made your maximum natural gains before you ever took any steroids?

    Its not your job to be my mother. Now can we focus on concepts of dosing to add valuable content to the site?

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    and idk why my profile says im 22, I will be 24 in a couple months

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAAS View Post
    I love it when people just focus completely on telling people what to do instead of educating on certain concepts on the actual steroids .
    And if I were to have 5000 post you wouldn't react the same way.

    Is it completely frowned apon to not take massive amounts and become the biggest you possibly can in the shortest amount of time?
    Youre basically saying if you are going to take steroids you should abuse them to the fullest extent, instead of taking a moderate dose. Yes I could gain it naturally in 3 years but I dont want to wait 3 years, and neither do you. OR were both of you 25 and positive that you made your maximum natural gains before you ever took any steroids?

    Its not your job to be my mother. Now can we focus on concepts of dosing to add valuable content to the site?
    Yes. I cycled under 25 years old. And now I do not produce Testosterone naturally. On TRT for life. And I used less than what you are proposing. When I say you are too young, I don't mean you're a stupid kid. I mean your body has not developed to a stage where you can cycle safely and prevent long term damage.

    You're right, I'm not here to be your mother. Be safe.

    Good luck.

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    I am also on TRT, I didnt add that because it really shouldnt matter. IM trying to talk about concepts and all people do around here is tell people they are to young.

    Well the guy who sold me steroids when I was 18 didnt say that, and now I have brought myself to this point.

    I appreciate your concern, but I really just want to discuss concepts which is always difficult on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAAS View Post
    I am also on TRT, I didnt add that because it really shouldnt matter. IM trying to talk about concepts and all people do around here is tell people they are to young.

    Well the guy who sold me steroids when I was 18 didnt say that, and now I have brought myself to this point.

    I appreciate your concern, but I really just want to discuss concepts which is always difficult on this site.
    Well, no offense, but you might be on the wrong forums. No advice is ever given to anyone under 25. If you read the stickies, you will see this. I understand it's not what you want to hear, but these are forum rules and we have to respect them for the safety of others. (in other words, we take safety in consideration, whether you like it or not). Lots of other forums out there that don't have rules, but are also infested with a lack of knowledge.

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    The advice to stay away from gear until you are into your mid-20s is good advice. If you're 24, then whatever, but if you're in your early 20s, you are playing a game that you will likely lose.

    Back to the original topic here... How many milligrams of total gear that you're on doesn't directly relate to how much you'll "blow up"... For example; 500mgs of test and 420mgs of dbol will inflate you a lot more than 500 test, 500 Eq, and 500 Masteron .

    I'm sure you know that different compounds do different things.

    And the sides you'd get from taking a moderate dose of a compound compared to a small dose of a couple compounds can't really be differentiated without looking at exactly what you're taking. The same goes for the results you're going to see.

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    Basically, your theory of "total AAS per week" logic is incorrect.

    You'd (if you react similarly to me on Masteron ) likely "blow up" more from 500mgs a week of test alone than from 500mgs/week of test and 400mgs/week of Masteron.

    Do your homework, Bro. Stay safe and do what you want for you... My advice though is to keep training and eating and taking good supplements. You have years ahead of you to fu*k with this stuff. The better base you build, the better you will be on gear.

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