First Time User Cycle Advice/Rate My Cycle

[Fakey McFake]

Age: 31
WT: 203 lbs
BF: Not sure, but athletic. About 10-12%
Weight Training Experience: About 13 years.
Bench: 200 lbs with dumb bells (100 each hand). Probably do a little more with bar, but I like dumb bells so I don't need a spotter.
Squat: I only squat with 185 lbs. Probably could max out higher, but am more upper body. Try to just use good form on squats and go heavy on leg press after.
Also play basketball about 3 times a week recreationally.

Ok, always thought anabolic steroids were bad until I actually researched them and now fully believe they can be done responsibily and improve your health, not harm it. I'm not trying to get huge, but just look good and more than anything feel like an 18 year old again and try to prevent/slow down aging. I'm in pretty good shape already, but after reading about them, would like to try steroids. Here's my proposed cycle:

Week 1: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), {Deca 400 mg/week (230 mg every 4th day) or EQ (600 mg per week)}
Week 2: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), {Deca 400 mg/week (230 mg every 4th day) or EQ (600 mg per week)}, HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 3: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), {Deca 400 mg/week (230 mg every 4th day) or EQ (600 mg per week)}, HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 4: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), {Deca 400 mg/week (230 mg every 4th day) or EQ (600 mg per week)}, HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 5: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), {Deca 400 mg/week (230 mg every 4th day) or EQ (600 mg per week)}, HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 6: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), {Deca 400 mg/week (230 mg every 4th day) or EQ (600 mg per week)}, HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 7: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), Winn 50 mg every (other day), HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 8: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), Winn 50 mg every (other day), HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 9: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), Winn 50 mg every (other day), HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 10: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), Winn 50 mg every (other day), HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 11: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), Winn 50 mg every (other day), HCG 500 iu every 5 days
Week 12: Test Prop 500 mg/week (142 mg other day), Winn 50 mg every (other day), HCG 500 iu every 5 days

PCT

Week 13: Nolva 40 mg/day
Week 14: Nolva 40 mg/day
Week 15: Nolva 20 mg/day
Week 16: Nolva 20 mg/day

Also take Arimidex .5mg ED weeks 1-12.

I know everyone always says to just use Test your first cycle. Can anyone actually convince me as to why I should do this? It seems to me that as long as I'm injecting I might as well maximize my efforts. I also plan to not drink alcohol and to work out regularly during this time, so I want to get best results from it.

I feel pretty confident about the Test Prop and Winn part. I figured why not add Deca or EQ to the first half, since I'm already injecting (I'd use one of them, not both). Anyone have an opinion on which would be preferred (assuming they're both available to me)? They say to use them for 12 weeks minimum, but while my whole cycle is 12 weeks, I'd only use them for 6, because I think I'd prefer Winn, but you don't wanna use that for too long because it's oral. So get a little extra boost the first 6 weeks with one of them and then switch over to Winn. Or I could leave them out all together and just go Test P with Winn the last 6 weeks.

As far as HCG I've read people saying to take it during the cycle and others say to take it after. To me it makes more sense to take during. Y'all agree?

For PCT is just Nolva ok without Clomid or would you recommend both? From what I've read, just Nolva would be best and Clomid has more side effects.

Would you take Arimidex throughout or just if you get symptoms? Is .5 ED too much? Should I go .5 EOD instead? To me it sounds like you'd at least want to take it weeks 10-12 to prepare for PCT, but may not need it as much before then. Any opinions?

Can I inject the Test P, HCG, and EQ or Deca all at once in one injection or should I do two or three separate injections? Or does it come down to a maximum amount of CC's you want to inject at once? If so, what would that be?

I'd appreciate any advice.

Thanks.

(Oh, and I'm not fake, just using a fake name. It's the fake name Homer Simpson used when registering for something online, which is where it came from)

[harleydog]

The cycle you have done is for both bulking and cutting?first of all taking 400 of deca for 6 weeks isnt good because it doesnt start working till after 4-5 weeks..I would say look into test 400 along with deca..skip the winny sounds like your lean enough or if you have to add anavar less toxic on your liver..arimidex is your choice works different for everyone..I would do the nolva like you have planned and do your cycle atleast 10weeks to get anything out of it..and yes you can mix them as long as your mixing oil&oil you cant mix test with winstrol..

[gixxerboy1]

the reason that you use 1 compound is when you get side effects you know what drug is cause them and what to do to to fix it. With 3 or 4 new drugs your not going to know what is going on if your having a reaction.

Also you will gain plenty off a first cycle of just test. Why go over kill. Then what do you do for your next cycle?

[songdog]

Test only for the reasons Gixx said.Your pct is weak Adex .25eod to start is good.

[Fakey McFake]

I'm also a little confused as far as the bulking/cutting aspect. I'm not trying to compete in bodybuilding competions, I just wanna look good, stay young, maximize my results, etc... So, basically gain lean mass slowly that I can keep as much as possible and burn fat. I know you don't keep everything, but from what I've heard in a cycle you can gain about 20 lbs and then lose about 10 afterwards, so after everything I'd be about 210-215 lbs and stronger/leaner which sounds awesome.

With this as my goals, do you really need to pick bulking or cutting? And to go along with this, how many calories should I be around? I know how to calculate how many calories you need to maintain where you are. Should I try to be around 500 calories or so above that per day? I know that sounds like bulking, but with that regiment you're burning fat too, right? Or do you really just need to try and bulk up and not worry out fat on one cycle and then cut and be below your normal calorie intake on the next cycle?

So Deca is a little more bulking, but they say it can be both. I heard 400 mg per week for cutting and 600 per week for bulking, which is where I came up with my dosage. If I do choose to run Deca or EQ on the cycle with Winn the last 6 weeks would you recommend continuing either of them the entire 12 weeks along with the Winn? Again, I understand this may not be best for a first time cycle, but for possible future times. Or would it not be recommended to use Winn along others (besides test)?

[gixxerboy1]

worry about future cycles later. You dont know how you will react now. What your stats or goals may be at that time.
Your diet dictates if you are cutting or bulking. If you are trying to lean out i would go a little under your tdee. If your bulking over
As far as some chemicals better for one or the other. Some drugs make you hold more water. So people mostly use them for bulking because you dont want water if you are cutting. But you can still use anything. There are things to take to control the water and once you stop the cycle the water will come off.

As far as puting on 20 and loosing 10 thats bs. Everyone is different. Also when some people put on a ton of weight alot may be water weight. So when they stop the loose the water not the muscle. It also depends on your diet how much you gain. And were you are on your genetic limit.

For you with you stats i would do prop only or if you really want prop/ winny. Forget the deca and eq at this point.

[Fakey McFake]

How is my listed PCT weak? If you run HCG during the cycle you shouldn't need it after, right? Would you include Clomid with the Nolva for PCT? What would you change? Or do you mean my PCT required would be weak, as in such that I'm only using reasonable amounts of Test and Winn, as opposed to higher doses and more suppressive stuff like Tren?

[gixxerboy1]

yes add clomid with the nolva

[Fakey McFake]

So everything look ok, minus the Deca and EQ? Test P with Winn added the last 6 weeks? HCG during the cycle every 5 days. Arimidex ED or EOD.

Any other opinions on just Nolva vs. Nolva and Clomid for PCT?

Thanks.

[gixxerboy1]

i would shorten the cycle to 8 weeks. There is no need to go 12 weeks with prop

[Fakey McFake]

Any reason as to why you'd shorten the cycle? It seems to me if you're going to supress your natural test and be forced to go thru PCT, you might as well go for the whole 12 weeks to maximize your results. What's wrong with 12 weeks? I know Prop kicks in faster than Enth or Cyp, but all that means is you can start PCT sooner, right? You'd still go the whole 12. I know that prop is supposed to kick in faster, but whether you did prop or enth or cyp, it's still the same amount of test, you just absorb it quicker. So with prop you'd be affected basically weeks 1-12 and could then start PCT. With Enth you'd be about 10 days or so behind, but would eventually get the same amount of test. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to understand.

[gixxerboy1]

prop is a fast acting test. The reason to use it is you will see gains quicker you can run a shorter cycle and start pct faster. That way you arent suppressed for as long of time.

Bro more is not always better. its your first cycle no need to push it. I'm glad you dropped the deca/ or eq. You are still stacking the winny. No need to go crazy. You will get very good results on prop for 8 weeks. Thats a standard cycle length for prop

[kelkel]

Take the advice and run with it!