Is it still like this in the bodybuilding world?

[Beefhat]

I don't think everything this guy talks about is worth any dream.

I agree and I think thats the problem, they get blinded by the false silhouette of the sport and probably do year round dosages of maybe 3-5 injectables at high and low doses and dont know what its really like to get in the "mass game" I guess is what were calling it, and as soon as they get in its too late to back down.

[Bevsta123]

Exactly, I've been wanting to be a pro bodybuilder since I was 14. I'm fortunate enough to have pretty good genetics and I have good discipline with diet and training. This is a obviously a huge road bump in my dreams. That's a huge step to take. Winning the Arnold Classic or Mr.Olympia would clearly be a dream come true but I also want a family and a life past 50

nothing great comes without sacrafice !

[ISU152]

nothing great comes without sacrafice !

I realize that. But you don't see pro football/basketball players having to do this. It's just sad. I feel bad for the guys. Wish it wasn't like that

[swm1972]

Unfortunately this is not and never has been a healthy lifestyle. Men that workout regularly, dropping dead of a heart attack before they are 40 is indicative of a problem. I personally know two that have died from heart attacks young. One was 34. Both serious anabolic users. Can you say absolutely steroids killed them? No. But does it make sense their is a link? I think so. I have numerous friends that workout. None of the non steroid using ones have died young. While not definitive I think it makes sense.

[hankdiesel]

I always knew the pros took a lot. I am a competitive bodybuilder myself. I've seen over the years my drug use progress. This interview took us inside of the dudes mind. It painted a picture that I really didn't want to see. I have considered meeting my goal (winning the overall in my hometown) and then quitting. This interview here may have sealed the deal for me. After that i would start competing on a national level and then where would it end? Me getting my pro card? Ya right. More like taking crazy amounts of shit that I never thought I'd do in pursuit of something I will never obtain. In the process doing tons of damage to my body. I've done 7 shows so far in my 25 month career and won 1st place in my class 3 times. I'm doing well put don't want to end up like this poor s.o.b.

[songdog]

Everything in life has a price.The question is do you want it bad enough to pay it?

[DeadlyD]

imo, its not worth it...to try to make a good living from that is.

[Misery13]

That's just crazy. What an eye opener.

[binsser]

so sad all that work and the money gos to everyone else its just sick and a con its far overboard for most its like having a ticking time bomb for a heart its just when and where!

[BFM]

Everything in life has a price.The question is do you want it bad enough to pay it?

You could pay the price and still not come close to the dream.

Its no longer a sport, its a freak show, as been stated.

[ISU152]

so sad all that work and the money gos to everyone else its just sick and a con its far overboard for most its like having a ticking time bomb for a heart its just when and where!

Well I think it's a little different now. He said the top pros back then don't make that much. The top pros today are doing just fine hahaa

[Bonaparte]

Bear in mind that:
A) This guy being interviewed sounds depressed and defeated. He even admitted that he is hypogly***ic during the interview ("I'm running low on carbs"), so his views at the time were likely exaggeratedly dark and angry.
B) Half his problems are that he has no idea what he is taking. He is ignorant, which is his own fault (although he seems to only blame others for his problems). Were he to bother educating himself a bit (rather than paying out the ass for some guru to tell him what to take), he wouldn't have ended up in the ER for hypogly***ia after taking too much insulin, and he wouldn't be as poor.

[Beefhat]

Bear in mind that:
A) This guy being interviewed sounds depressed and defeated. He even admitted that he is hypogly***ic during the interview ("I'm running low on carbs"), so his views at the time were likely exaggeratedly dark and angry.
B) Half his problems are that he has no idea what he is taking. He is ignorant, which is his own fault (although he seems to only blame others for his problems). Were he to bother educating himself a bit (rather than paying out the ass for some guru to tell him what to take), he wouldn't have ended up in the ER for hypogly***ia after taking too much insulin, and he wouldn't be as poor.

All that said its still a high assumption with the background portrayed still being just as bad if even exaggerated a LITTLE.

[Turkish Juicer]

Bear in mind that:
A) This guy being interviewed sounds depressed and defeated. He even admitted that he is hypogly***ic during the interview ("I'm running low on carbs"), so his views at the time were likely exaggeratedly dark and angry.
B) Half his problems are that he has no idea what he is taking. He is ignorant, which is his own fault (although he seems to only blame others for his problems). Were he to bother educating himself a bit (rather than paying out the ass for some guru to tell him what to take), he wouldn't have ended up in the ER for hypogly***ia after taking too much insulin, and he wouldn't be as poor.

Some excellent points made, indeed.

On top of everything said above, not everyone is a perfect candidate for professional BB, meaning that genetic freaks will get away with less drug abuse and still achieve better results than those who are not exactly pro BB material in terms of genetic composition. We don't know who the BB is in this interview but I very much doubt that leading names in the sport are as pathetic and desperate as this guy.

Top names in this sport are vastly educated and they seem to get away with massive drug use much better than our anonymous and supposedly ''top'' BB in this interview.

As for infertility, didn't Branch Warren have a baby recently? The guy is 38 and has been on juice over the past 20 years, at the least.

Same goes for Dorian Yates, who has 2 sons.

... and what about Ronnie Coleman who has 5 daughters from two marriages and a son? He has been on juice since he was a teenager also, so how come our anonymous ''top'' BB in the interview is bitchin' about all this stuff when we have quite the contrary examples?

As for abusing strong diuretics and pissing blood before competition, this shows the level of ignorance of this BB. First off, not all BB's use diuretics in order to shred. I have seen numerous videos of top names of different eras in the sport like Richard Gaspari and Branch Warren who have openly spoken AGAINST the use of diuretics for various reasons. Rich said he never used them because he was disciplined and dedicated enough to get in competition shape at least two weeks prior to stepping on the stage by managing carbs and cutting sodium exactly when it should be cut. He criticized the use of diuretics on many levels, one being the fact that BB's who use them are much more likely to cramp on stage and mess up their posing routine, which may lead to a bad placing. It is his (the BB in the interview) problem if he walks around with excessive water weight up until the day of competition and takes strong diuretics in the last minute to resolve this and fvcks up his kidneys. Flex Wheeler, who had a great physique but was an idiot in person, did the same mistake and he was hospitalized several times because of this. You don't ever hear this happening to today's top names such as Jay, Phil, Kai, Branch and so forth because these guys are vastly educated and their health is being monitored strictly as opposed to being ignorant idiots and taking advices from their roid dealers.

[Beefhat]

Some excellent points made, indeed.

On top of everything said above, not everyone is a perfect candidate for professional BB, meaning that genetic freaks will get away with less drug abuse and still achieve better results than those who are not exactly pro BB material in terms of genetic composition. We don't know who the BB is in this interview but I very much doubt that leading names in the sport are as pathetic and desperate as this guy.

Top names in this sport are vastly educated and they seem to get away with massive drug use much better than our anonymous and supposedly ''top'' BB in this interview.

As for infertility, didn't Branch Warren have a baby recently? The guy is 38 and has been on juice over the past 20 years, at the least.

Same goes for Dorian Yates, who has 2 sons.

... and what about Ronnie Coleman who has 5 daughters from two marriages and a son? He has been on juice since he was a teenager also, so how come our anonymous ''top'' BB in the interview is bitchin' about all this stuff when we have quite the contrary examples?

As for abusing strong diuretics and pissing blood before competition, this shows the level of ignorance of this BB. First off, not all BB's use diuretics in order to shred. I have seen numerous videos of top names of different eras in the sport like Richard Gaspari and Branch Warren who have openly spoken AGAINST the use of diuretics for various reasons. Rich said he never used them because he was disciplined and dedicated enough to get in competition shape at least two weeks prior to stepping on the stage by managing carbs and cutting sodium exactly when it should be cut. He criticized the use of diuretics on many levels, one being the fact that BB's who use them are much more likely to cramp on stage and mess up their posing routine, which may lead to a bad placing. It is his (the BB in the interview) problem if he walks around with excessive water weight up until the day of competition and takes strong diuretics in the last minute to resolve this and fvcks up his kidneys. Flex Wheeler, who had a great physique but was an idiot in person, did the same mistake and he was hospitalized several times because of this. You don't ever hear this happening to today's top names such as Jay, Phil, Kai, Branch and so forth because these guys are vastly educated and their health is being monitored strictly as opposed to being ignorant idiots and taking advices from their roid dealers.

You make excellent points, and the more I read to article and being butt hurt because my dream was being crushed I was thinking things along the similar lines, I think we were just all in shock because they happened to get the poor SOB that is one of those poor ignorant fools who isnt taking it seriously.

With all this said.......Mr.Olympia is back on the dream plate, how bad can gay prostitution be?(not srs)

[ISU152]

You make excellent points, and the more I read to article and being butt hurt because my dream was being crushed I was thinking things along the similar lines, I think we were just all in shock because they happened to get the poor SOB that is one of those poor ignorant fools who isnt taking it seriously.

With all this said.......Mr.Olympia is back on the dream plate, how bad can gay prostitution be?(not srs)

x2. I was definitely shocked at first but it seems like this guy wasn't the smartest. He mentioned that a lot of the guys would be dying within the next few years..that was 15 years ago...

[Turkish Juicer]

Jay was only 17 when he looked like this, this is exactly what I mean by ''bodybuilding material'' regarding genetics... How much of his tremendous size & shocking physique would you assume he had owed to drug use with only 2-3 years of training under his belt?

Again, the point is, being a top name in the sport does NOT necessarily mean you have the abuse performance enhancing drugs to the max, there are many other variables to being a champ.

[Beefhat]

Not to mention....I totally forgot the rule changes to the Mr.Olympia this year, they are requiring them to compete for points to be able to qualify for Mr.O in so many competitions (Specific ones if my memory serves right) Making have to compete twice as much a year...with that said, I dont believe ANY of the top athletes could survive cutting that much more in the year....I personally think its one of the attempts to bring down the drug use and put a vice on it to give the sport some ground support to grow off of so its not about who juices more.

[Misery13]

Not to mention....I totally forgot the rule changes to the Mr.Olympia this year, they are requiring them to compete for points to be able to qualify for Mr.O in so many competitions (Specific ones if my memory serves right) Making have to compete twice as much a year...with that said, I dont believe ANY of the top athletes could survive cutting that much more in the year....I personally think its one of the attempts to bring down the drug use and put a vice on it to give the sport some ground support to grow off of so its not about who juices more.

Does the current Mr. O have to compete for points as well or does he just show up to defend his title. What's to points system to earn a spot at the Mr. O?

[Beefhat]

Does the current Mr. O have to compete for points as well or does he just show up to defend his title. What's to points system to earn a spot at the Mr. O?

http://www.musclespro.com/wp-content...ympia-2012.gif
http://www.mrolympia.com/qualification.html

Im not sure if Mr. O has to work for pts too.....I doubt it, but imo this is a huge step to recovering the sport from dying because its giving the athletes a better chance of qualifying while making them compete more and hopefully dropping the drug usage down some which will ideally give a general "Weight" to be rooted in the sport.

[ISU152]

Jay was only 17 when he looked like this, this is exactly what I mean by ''bodybuilding material'' regarding genetics... How much of his tremendous size & shocking physique would you assume he had owed to drug use with only 2-3 years of training under his belt?

Again, the point is, being a top name in the sport does NOT necessarily mean you have the abuse performance enhancing drugs to the max, there are many other variables to being a champ.

He was 19 in this vid. Just to clarify

[Turkish Juicer]

He was 19 in this vid. Just to clarify

OK, thanks.

My point remains: Jay was still considered a ''teenager'', with only a few years of BB training under his belt. Regardless of whether he may have already started using AAS and whatnot, it is quite obvious that he owed what he got mostly to his genetic inheritance as well as a strict training regimen as he speaks for it in the video.

[.CT]

well that killed my buzz. but its totally true...even in natural bb. eveyone thinks that becuase the word natural is in there that means no gear. my training partner at the gym has done 3 inba shows and has never touched the stuff but said the top natural in the word went to the natural universe and out of the 10 on the stage he was the only name that didnt get tested even though he was clearly juiced up to eyes on everything. its even sadder to see the 18 year old kids who take 100mg+ of clen to cut down to the 3% area.

[ISU152]

OK, thanks.

My point remains: Jay was still considered a ''teenager'', with only a few years of BB training under his belt. Regardless of whether he may have already started using AAS and whatnot, it is quite obvious that he owed what he got mostly to his genetic inheritance as well as a strict training regimen as he speaks for it in the video.

I completely agree, I wasn't trying to be a smarty pants lol. He is very lucky to have genetics like that! I wish I was that big at 19!

[Turkish Juicer]

He is very lucky to have genetics like that! I wish I was that big at 19!

I have never seen anyone who was that big with a similar conditioning at the age of 19, as a matter of fact.

[Bonaparte]

I have never seen anyone who was that big with a similar conditioning at the age of 19, as a matter of fact.

Well yeah. Jay does have the best genetics imaginable, and had clearly been using AAS for a few years by 19.
I laughed a few times during the interview, as Jay seems really uneasy each time the interviewer used the word "natural" or asks a question that could somehow hit on AAS.

[Times Roman]

just a couple of thoughts....

limiting waist size as a function of overall size/weight seems a reasonable constraint.

it seemed to me the bloke had an ax to grind, naming names as male prostitutes, others with health problems. It could be true, or not. Undeniably pissed off during the interview, and how much of that attitude created a distortion in the story he was relaying is hard to tell. Predicting certain individuals would be dead in a couple of years, and then not coming true is another example of his emotional rant. No doubt much of the substance of what he says is true. Probably not the best bbloke to interview for an "expose" such as this.

[powerliftmike]

Killing his brain because his liver glycogen was depleted on insulin..Just eat some ****ing carbs. And what was the blood doping off stage about? If guys cut down on the orals and monitored things like cholesterol, blood pressure, etc we wouldnt have the heart attacks IMO. Testosterone in moderation has proven to be beneficial to the heart even, its your responsibility to look after your body. do it.

[hankdiesel]

Jay was only 17 when he looked like this, this is exactly what I mean by ''bodybuilding material'' regarding genetics... How much of his tremendous size & shocking physique would you assume he had owed to drug use with only 2-3 years of training under his belt?

Again, the point is, being a top name in the sport does NOT necessarily mean you have the abuse performance enhancing drugs to the max, there are many other variables to being a champ.

great video, thanks for posting