Advice please

[Tasmaniac]

I'd like to get some advice. I am about to do a two month cycle of dianabol. I have done one before but only had enough tabs for 34 days. This time I will have 100 tabs of good quality stuff.

I am 35 years old. Weigh about 160lb and stand at 5'11". My natural weight is probably around 110-120. I have been going to the gym for years and have been able to sit on around 200 lb. Unfortunately, I had the bright idea of slimming down last year and have struggled to gain the weight back.
I generally bench press 200lb+, curl 90-100lb e.t.c. I don't do many squats or dead lifts due to some back problems.

My plan is to take 1-2 tablets daily, load up on carbs and protein through 4 main meals of mainly rice and meat, 2 protein drinks per day, dymatize expand extreme, fish oil and something for my liver.

Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

[atrainwright]

A test base would be your best bet, no one advises a dbol only cycle

[rvca]

D bol is garbage

[bob87]

test base would be good diet probably needs some work too

[Armykid93]

D bol is garbage

I always thought d bol was pretty commonly used and liked

[JDBeretta]

I always thought d bol was pretty commonly used and liked

You'll just puff out and lose it all when you stop taking it. Not to mention the liver toxicity of it.

A more common use for dbol would be to see immediate gains at the beginning of a cycle... Kinda like a "kick-start" in terms of gains.

At 5'11" and 160lbs, you can honestly gain more weight naturally. But, it sounds like you are like a lot of us and want to get on the juice. If that's the case, put the emphasis on your diet while on cycle... And do a simple test-only cycle. You'll like it WAY more than a dbol cycle.

Just my $.02

[Tasmaniac]

The reason I want to try another cycle is because my weight is far too low now. So, Dianabol will only make me bigger while I am taking it?

[kif]

Ummmmm I see a few issues here, first 1-2 tablets a day, how many MG each, second 8 weeks on D-Bol is to much. Third you need to run Test when running D-Bol, Fourth if you were at 200lbs last year you should be able to get back there fairly quickly, I would wait 30-60 days and eat a ton bet you can get pretty close to the 200lb mark, then cycle. 5th for you liver LIV52 it's over the counter. You should head over to th nutrition section and post your diet just to make sure it's on point, the guys over there are great and will help you out.

[JDBeretta]

The reason I want to try another cycle is because my weight is far too low now. So, Dianabol will only make me bigger while I am taking it?

Dbol is notorious for putting on water weight. As soon as you stop, it'll all disappear. Don't get me wrong, it's great to take a few pills and blow up like that, but good quality gains that last will not be found with a dbol-only cycle.

[Tasmaniac]

I haven't been able to hit the elusive 90 kg mark since my late 20s. At the time I lived in Asia and ate a lot of meat and rice. The tabs are supposed to be 10mg each. I am able to get some test. The only problem I have with it is that it's injectable. Due to my bone structure, 80-90kg would take a hell of a long time to build naturally. And it would take so many cycles of loading then slimming back down to achieve what I want...

[JDBeretta]

Run a test only cycle if you're going to use AAS.

You don't know me, but trust me when I say it's better (in almost every way) than using dbol (especially alone).

I can assure you that any "vet" here would agree with this (assuming that you're 100% going to use AAS).

[Tasmaniac]

So, what if I use the dbol and add some testosterone to it? Would that give me Better results?

[JDBeretta]

So, what if I use the dbol and add some testosterone to it? Would that give me Better results?

Look at it like adding dbol to a test cycle.

And I can only suggest to run a test-only cycle based on your experience and your goals.

What exactly do you want from using AAS?

[Tasmaniac]

My main aim is to add 10kg+ in muscle. I would also like to get to a stage where I can bench press 300lb and have 16-18 inch arms. For a person with a frame like mine, it's a hard ask. Especially if it's done naturally.

[JDBeretta]

Okay, so please believe that you will be gaining this muscle with food... Think of this; you buy a cycle and want to put on 10kg. You look in the bag or whatever and there're 4 bottles of test. These bottles (their contents) weigh about 200 grams... You see the problem?

But anyways, dbol is just going to bloat you up with water weight that will disappear.

If you ran 500mgs of test/week, you'll be much better off than running dbols and pissing it all away. Again, it's going to be your food and training that you get your results from while on cycle. AAS is like number 3 on the list for what brings results.

[Tasmaniac]

I am able to get 10ml of test. Should I add 500mg a week on top of a 2 month cycle of dbol?

[miboleron]

D bol is garbage

That is stupid statement. Untrue.

[Thor249]

That is stupid statement. Untrue.

Yeah I completely agree..... If dbol is so useless as so many suggest, why do many pros in the past and present use it so much?

I did a dbol + test cycle and I kept every single pound and strength that I gained.

Again, if you eat correctly with a proper pct you can keep gains.

[stpete]

You'll need to get 30ml's of test to make a good cycle. And you need to do a lot more research on aas before you start putting compounds into your body. But it's all for not if you don't know how to eat. I suggest you hit the Nutrition Section for advice/tips on proper dieting. There's a lot of great recipes over there as well. Check out the Hardgainers Sticky.

Good Luck.

[Skyrinegt]

Instead of scraping the bottom of your pockets an putting together a test / dbol cycle do a proper test / pct cycle even if you gain 15ish pound with proper eating and pct atleast you know you'll keep it and won't go back to 160

[behemoth666]

I don't know why you would want to ONLY do a dbol cycle... the spike curve would be a dramatic incress and then and massive and quick decline in strength. Use a test base as as it's long lasting. Feel free to 'correct' me if people have other views.

[Tasmaniac]

Thanks for your advice everyone. I have learnt a lot. I am going to pick up some test next week and will use it with dbol. That coupled with a good diet, plenty of protein drinks and a pct cycle should do the trick. I will let you all know how it goes!

[bob87]

Thanks for your advice everyone. I have learnt a lot. I am going to pick up some test next week and will use it with dbol. That coupled with a good diet, plenty of protein drinks and a pct cycle should do the trick. I will let you all know how it goes!

Ditch the protein drinks a good diet should give you all your dail protein needs.....

[JDBeretta]

Thanks for your advice everyone. I have learnt a lot. I am going to pick up some test next week and will use it with dbol. That coupled with a good diet, plenty of protein drinks and a pct cycle should do the trick. I will let you all know how it goes!

Before you start, make sure to know your pinning frequency based on what ester you get. Make sure to have all of your pct stuff and an AI on hand as well. Also, make sure that you know when to start your pct (also based on the ester of the test).

[Tasmaniac]

Before you start, make sure to know your pinning frequency based on what ester you get. Make sure to have all of your pct stuff and an AI on hand as well. Also, make sure that you know when to start your pct (also based on the ester of the test).

The problem I am having is trying to find somewhere/someone to sell nolvadex or clomid. It's all illegal here

[Bigherm21]

Where so you live? Research chemicals aren't!!

[Tasmaniac]

I did some reasearch and the Aussie government doesn't allow that either.

[rvca]

That is stupid statement. Untrue.

Its shit. Only good thing about d bol....is the amount of money suppliers can make by selling the crap ... Is toxic...u keep nothing...u will look like the michelin man... Its garbage

[swm1972]

Its shit. Only good thing about d bol....is the amount of money suppliers can make by selling the crap ... Is toxic...u keep nothing...u will look like the michelin man... Its garbage

They have called dbol the breakfast of champions for decades. That just a coincidence? Diet influences results. Eat shit. Load up on sodium like a undisciplined fool, yes you'll blimp up. You can cut on any steroid. Even dbol. Is it ideal for cutting? No, but it's hardly horrible toxic compound you portray it to be. In fact the toxicity of anabolic steroids is WAY overstated.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

If you're unable to get a PCT or AI I wouldn't run the cycle at all.

You're going to waste money, lose all your gains, and jack up your natural hormone system if you do not have a PCT. Not to mention you don't know if you are gyno prone, what happens if you get gyno and have no AI on hand? Just going to fork up the money to get surgery to remove it?

Sounds like you got your priorities mixed up and just looking to put on weight. Get your PCT in hand before you even think of doing this cycle.

[Tasmaniac]

I have been using test (sustamix 250) for almost 3 weeks now. I gained 7kg in the first week or so and am almost up to full strength. When I go to the gym, the workouts are pretty intense and the muscular soreness is on a level I haven't experienced before. Although there are gains every time I work out, it's pretty slow compared to dbol. One thing I am sure you will all disagree with is my lack of pct or AI. Strangely, most people I have spoken to haven't ever done it due to the difficulty getting anything in Aus. I've still got a couple of months, so I will look at taking my chances getting something sent from ar-r. The only thing I have experienced was an enlarged prostate when the test kicked in.

I've still got around 7ml of test left. The plan is to have 250mg every 2 days until it is done.

I have suffered two setbacks so far. I had a nasty back injury just before this cycle which has been giving me some grief. The advantage is that I have been focusing on my core a lot more. The other setback happened over the weekend. I've just spent two days with a mild case of food poisoning.

My workouts for the next 2 months or so will be a new program. I am planning to do one week of high reps at a lower weight to help build muscle followed by a week of high weight and low reps for strength gains.

Fingers crossed I will get some nolvadex through customs, hit 200 solid pounds, bench press 300lb and keep all of the gains.

[sharmabrah]

Some good advice on here mate you should listen to them. Focus on your diet like I have been and you'll reap rewards. As for nolvadex getting through customs - I thought nolvadex and clomid were legal?

[Tasmaniac]

Some good advice on here mate you should listen to them. Focus on your diet like I have been and you'll reap rewards. As for nolvadex getting through customs - I thought nolvadex and clomid were legal?

Yeah, I have been trying hard to eat as much as I can. I've been averaging 4 good sized meals a day. I have been loading up on carbs and having 3 scoops of protein powder every day.

In regards to nolvadex and clomid, they are illegal in Aus. It's surprising how few people here actually do any pct or have any knowledge about it.

[sharmabrah]

Yeah, I have been trying hard to eat as much as I can. I've been averaging 4 good sized meals a day. I have been loading up on carbs and having 3 scoops of protein powder every day.

In regards to nolvadex and clomid, they are illegal in Aus. It's surprising how few people here actually do any pct or have any knowledge about it.

Are you sure bro? I live in Queensland and I'm almost certain clomid and nolvadex are legal? I know people who have brought PCT supplements back from Thailand no problem. You could be right though bro I don't know much about it - I've never cycled before. You live in Tasmania? Must be freezing down there bro haha.

[papa-g]

They are legal with a Rx or as research chems. From places like AR-r.

[sharmabrah]

They are legal with a Rx or as research chems. From places like AR-r.

Does AR-R even ship to Australia though mate?

[papa-g]

Does AR-R even ship to Australia though mate?

Don't see why not. Email or go the section on this board devoted to their stuff and ask.

[Tasmaniac]

For some reason I can't post my whole reply. The short answer is yes they are illegal and yes they will ship to Aus.

Sharmabrah, I'm Tasmanian but I moved to Victoria quite a few years ago. Here is almost as cold though...

[Super-Chump]

Dude Nolvadex and Clomid ARE NOT ILLEGAL IN AUSTRALIA. I've ordered PCT many times and they have all passed customs no problem. Far out even if it was you have found some gear so what's the trouble in finding some PCT?

And YES ar-r ship to Australia.

[Tasmaniac]

Dude Nolvadex and Clomid ARE NOT ILLEGAL IN AUSTRALIA. I've ordered PCT many times and they have all passed customs no problem. Far out even if it was you have found some gear so what's the trouble in finding some PCT?

And YES ar-r ship to Australia.

Just because it got through, it doesn't make them legal. Have you got any links to back up your opinion?