My first cycle on Test E.

[iwitbad]

Stats:
Age: 21
Height: 6 feet 3 inches
Body weight: 205 pounds
Bodyfat %: 8 or lower.

I am posting what my cycle would be like along with training and nutrition. I know how to eat while on cycle but am really confused on how to eat during PCT. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

10 Week cycle:
Test E: 250mg Mon and Thu; HCG: 250mg Mon and Thu; 0.25mg Arimidex EOD.
4 week Post cycle therapy:
Clomid and Nolva

Nutrition:
On cycle: eat over maintenance with high carbs, proteins and moderate fat.
Post cycle: ????

Training:
I plan to lift four days a week on cycle focusing on improving my bench, squat, dead-lift and over head press. 6 sets per day, 3 warm up followed by 3 working sets and max out on lat set, rep range: 5. I would do this for all the lifts mentioned earlier followed by 15 sets of accessory lifts every training day which I vary to keep things interesting.

Post cycle training:
Reduce volume after one week off and only focus on heavy sets and not perform accessory, focus on maintaining strength.

I want to keep my bodyfat low. Would be great to receive advice on how to do that while on cycle.
Also let me know if you would change, subtract or add anything.
I will have letro just in case gyno sets in.

How much do you think I can gain? How much will I keep? How long can i keep gains?
Provide info on training off cycle as well please.

This is my first post and do not plan on starting cycle before I have finished my research and this is part of it.

THANK YOU.

[bob87]

Best info you could receive is don't cycle until you are 25 let you body finish growing your system needs to fully develop before you start aas......

[Turkish Juicer]

You are too young to cycle with AAS.

[kronik420]

Stats:
Age: 21
Height: 6 feet 3 inches
Body weight: 205 pounds
Bodyfat %: 8 or lower.

I am posting what my cycle would be like along with training and nutrition. I know how to eat while on cycle but am really confused on how to eat during PCT. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

10 Week cycle:
Test E: 250mg Mon and Thu; HCG: 250mg Mon and Thu; 0.25mg Arimidex EOD.
4 week Post cycle therapy:
Clomid and Nolva

Nutrition:
On cycle: eat over maintenance with high carbs, proteins and moderate fat.
Post cycle: ????

Training:
I plan to lift four days a week on cycle focusing on improving my bench, squat, dead-lift and over head press. 6 sets per day, 3 warm up followed by 3 working sets and max out on lat set, rep range: 5. I would do this for all the lifts mentioned earlier followed by 15 sets of accessory lifts every training day which I vary to keep things interesting.

Post cycle training:
Reduce volume after one week off and only focus on heavy sets and not perform accessory, focus on maintaining strength.

I want to keep my bodyfat low. Would be great to receive advice on how to do that while on cycle.
Also let me know if you would change, subtract or add anything.
I will have letro just in case gyno sets in.

How much do you think I can gain? How much will I keep? How long can i keep gains?
Provide info on training off cycle as well please.

This is my first post and do not plan on starting cycle before I have finished my research and this is part of it.

THANK YOU.

4 more years of research, and you'll be good to go.

[Bigherm21]

Ya brother wait untill your natural test levels drop. When replacing high natural hormones with even higher synthetic hormones can cause serious issues. Also the high estrogen will cause the closure of your growth plates as well as other complications and sides.

[Capebuffalo]

Please read this:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.T89Acol5nTo

[dtex587]

yeah I see that all over these forums, u really don't want to go that route until at least your mid to later 20's

[MikeZ91]

Stats:
Age: 21
Height: 6 feet 3 inches
Body weight: 205 pounds
Bodyfat %: 8 or lower.

I am posting what my cycle would be like along with training and nutrition. I know how to eat while on cycle but am really confused on how to eat during PCT. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

10 Week cycle:
Test E: 250mg Mon and Thu; HCG: 250mg Mon and Thu; 0.25mg Arimidex EOD.
4 week Post cycle therapy:
Clomid and Nolva

Nutrition:
On cycle: eat over maintenance with high carbs, proteins and moderate fat.
Post cycle: ????

Training:
I plan to lift four days a week on cycle focusing on improving my bench, squat, dead-lift and over head press. 6 sets per day, 3 warm up followed by 3 working sets and max out on lat set, rep range: 5. I would do this for all the lifts mentioned earlier followed by 15 sets of accessory lifts every training day which I vary to keep things interesting.

Post cycle training:
Reduce volume after one week off and only focus on heavy sets and not perform accessory, focus on maintaining strength.

I want to keep my bodyfat low. Would be great to receive advice on how to do that while on cycle.
Also let me know if you would change, subtract or add anything.
I will have letro just in case gyno sets in.

How much do you think I can gain? How much will I keep? How long can i keep gains?
Provide info on training off cycle as well please.

This is my first post and do not plan on starting cycle before I have finished my research and this is part of it.

THANK YOU.

To keep off the fat without burning into gains For cardio I bicycle everyday.. 30 to 50 miles... Improves squats as well with some added hills.. Can easily be substituted with a stationary one at the gym just add the tension

[iwitbad]

But I am 6' 3", how much more can I grow? I take training seriously and it is a good substitute for sports after high school, the reason I want to do this is because I want to be at 220 pounds lean and remain there. I want to get there faster, I train and have been training seriously, my diet is in check and I know what works for my body, it has been hard to get to where I am right now and I think I have the discipline required to take the next step and speed up the process.

Also, after a 10 week cycle, my HPTA can be restored with a good PCT, also i will be taking HCG which will prevent testicular shrinkage thereby making it easier to restore HPTA.

I was thinking of starting in 6 months but will have to rethink. I have heard the "I'm too young to start" but i have never heard anything else, can someone tell me why it is bad to start early? To my common sense if you start younger you will have an easier time keeping and maintaining gains as once your HPTA recovers you will still produce more testosterone than someone who is older. So why not?

Remember this is research, so please answer accordingly, I am not dumb or stupid, I just want to know better.

[iwitbad]

Also what hormonal imbalances can I face and why are they worse if you are younger?

[Capebuffalo]

Also, after a 10 week cycle , my HPTA can be restored with a good PCT , also i will be taking HCG which will prevent testicular shrinkage thereby making it easier to restore HPTA.

There is no guarantee your HPTA will be restored fully partially or at all. Thats the thing its not fully developed and you are assaulting it. Why not give it a chance to develop fully?

[iwitbad]

Also, after a 10 week cycle , my HPTA can be restored with a good PCT , also i will be taking HCG which will prevent testicular shrinkage thereby making it easier to restore HPTA.

There is no guarantee your HPTA will be restored fully partially or at all. Thats the thing its not fully developed and you are assaulting it. Why not give it a chance to develop fully?

How is that any different from taking it when you are older, your HPTA recovers when you older after a cycle so why would it not if you are younger? How does its development have anything to do with its recovery, it will stop for 3 months and restart, i don't know why it wouldn't?

[songdog]

You got a lot to learn about your body beacuse with that statement about your ht.Tells me you dont have a clue about your body.You are still growing on the inside bro and aas will mess it up.

[Noles12]

How is that any different from taking it when you are older, your HPTA recovers when you older after a cycle so why would it not if you are younger? How does its development have anything to do with its recovery, it will stop for 3 months and restart, i don't know why it wouldn't?

Did you read the link posted above?

Here is a quote coming straight from it.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

You can find much more detail on this by searching the internet

[iwitbad]

You got a lot to learn about your body beacuse with that statement about your ht.Tells me you dont have a clue about your body.You are still growing on the inside bro and aas will mess it up.

Alright I will consider delaying it, but I would like to learn more and learn right so where can i find the best info?

[Bigherm21]

If your diets perfect what's your macros? How many calories are you taking in a day? There's more to having a perfect diet plan then just eating clean good foods. I thought my diet was great for a long time. I seeked nutritional help and it made a huge difference. What were saying is with your already high test levels and a good nutritional plan you should be able to put on some weight. We see this everyday bro and trust me if you can't gain naturally aas will bot get you where you wanna be!! You eat to be 205lbs. Ya sure you'll gain some weight on cycle but when you finish your pct and still eat like your 205 you'll go right back to being 205. People get the wrong idea with aas. They think you take a pin and get huge. As well as keeping all your gains. It doesn't work like that.

[iwitbad]

You got a lot to learn about your body beacuse with that statement about your ht.Tells me you dont have a clue about your body.You are still growing on the inside bro and aas will mess it up.

Alright I will consider delaying it, but I would like to learn more and learn right so where can i find the best info?

[iwitbad]

If your diets perfect what's your macros? How many calories are you taking in a day? There's more to having a perfect diet plan then just eating clean good foods. I thought my diet was great for a long time. I seeked nutritional help and it made a huge difference. What were saying is with your already high test levels and a good nutritional plan you should be able to put on some weight. We see this everyday bro and trust me if you can't gain naturally aas will bot get you where you wanna be!! You eat to be 205lbs. Ya sure you'll gain some weight on cycle but when you finish your pct and still eat like your 205 you'll go right back to being 205. People get the wrong idea with aas. They think you take a pin and get huge. As well as keeping all your gains. It doesn't work like that.

I eat 2500 at a 40/40/20 ratio now that I am maintaining, on days that I do cardio i increase my intake. I have been working to maintain my lifts which are 275 bench, 345 squat, 405 dead-lift while staying lean, the body takes care of the rest, at least that how I see it, these are my stats at a low bodyfat and low calories.

The thing that bothers me about remaining natty is that even when you are willing to work hard you results are still limited and you have to lower volume as you cut so you inevitably loose muscle, lets say i did a cycle and managed to gain only 5 pounds in 4 months and keep it, that would still be better than what is possible naturally (I would make sure to have better gains if i did a cycle of course)

[iwitbad]

I would never eat the same after PCT, i have been very clean with my diet and have managed go from 250 pounds to 205 lean. I know how to eat. The problem with me isn't about gaining strength or muscle it is about keeping it while cutting as you have to get fatter to get gain muscle. I never go out drinking or eating with friends, I stay dedicated 24/7, i eat sleep train repeat. I am not looking at AAS as a magical fix for the training and lifestyle but just wanted to speed up the process of me reaching my genetic potential.

[Noles12]

I eat 2500 at a 40/40/20 ratio now that I am maintaining, on days that I do cardio i increase my intake. I have been working to maintain my lifts which are 275 bench, 345 squat, 405 dead-lift while staying lean, the body takes care of the rest, at least that how I see it, these are my stats at a low bodyfat and low calories.

The thing that bothers me about remaining natty is that even when you are willing to work hard you results are still limited and you have to lower volume as you cut so you inevitably loose muscle, lets say i did a cycle and managed to gain only 5 pounds in 4 months and keep it, that would still be better than what is possible naturally (I would make sure to have better gains if i did a cycle of course)

AAS or not you can maintain strength while cutting. Yes there will be some loss but based on your diet and training you can minimize you losses.

At your age and size, 5 pounds of LBM is not extremely difficult in 4 months

[Capebuffalo]

There is a new member named G Lock. I think you and he would be best friends. You both have the same thoughts.

[papa-g]

There is a new member named G Lock. I think you and he would be best friends. You both have the same thoughts.

^^^^^^^^ haha. Too damn funny.

"before you judge me, make sure your perfect!"

[iwitbad]

There is a new member named G Lock. I think you and he would be best friends. You both have the same thoughts.

Why is that?

[Capebuffalo]

Because you both think you know more than you do. And will try to argue a point you dont have enough knowledge of. That's why.

[iwitbad]

Well i do know how to diet and train,
went from 250 to 178 like an idiot as an 18 year old
Gained fat and muscle over a year and got back to 220 and was much than I have ever been before benching 315, squatting 375 and deadlifting 500 (one rep).
I decided to cut and cut down to 205 got the look I have always wanted but would like to bigger. I know it is possible naturally but I just want to get there faster. That is all I really want. I want to be 215-220 at 8 percent or lower and be very strong. I was thinking instead of going through another two years to get there why not speed it and work on maintaining my gains, I have seen potential in me and have worked very hard, almost feel like I deserve it, thoughts please. Again I'm not on a cycle.

[iwitbad]

Because you both think you know more than you do. And will try to argue a point you dont have enough knowledge of. That's why.

I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, i know i don't know as much as you do, I am here because I am smarter than to jump into something unprepared, please get rid of this misconception you have of me. Please tell me after reading my previous post if you think I have enough knowledge on how to train and eat or not?

[Capebuffalo]

No you seem knowledgeable on diet and training. This is about you being too young and not understanding the effect aas will have on it and trying to justify doing it anyway. I don't know everything but I listen and learn a little everyday. That's all we are asking you to do.

[iwitbad]

Point taken, will train hard for another year and reevaluate, just know that I was very close to starting a cycle, but you changed my mind, hope this is a good decision for me.

[bigZthedestroyer]

It is definitely a good choice man. You can make a lot of gains in a year. I thought I was a my max potential last year and wanted to cycle. With a little more attention put into my diet and training, I've put on 35 lbs in the last 11 months. I'm the biggest I've ever been and I'm shooting for another 20 l s before I think about cycling. Keep working hard, it'll come!

[iwitbad]

It is definitely a good choice man. You can make a lot of gains in a year. I thought I was a my max potential last year and wanted to cycle. With a little more attention put into my diet and training, I've put on 35 lbs in the last 11 months. I'm the biggest I've ever been and I'm shooting for another 20 l s before I think about cycling. Keep working hard, it'll come!

Stats please, age, height, weight. Also, did you add 35 pounds of lean body mass or 35 pounds in general (muscle and fat).

[Bevsta123]

Stats:
Age: 21
Height: 6 feet 3 inches
Body weight: 205 pounds
Bodyfat %: 8 or lower.

I am posting what my cycle would be like along with training and nutrition. I know how to eat while on cycle but am really confused on how to eat during PCT. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

10 Week cycle:
Test E: 250mg Mon and Thu; HCG: 250mg Mon and Thu; 0.25mg Arimidex EOD.
4 week Post cycle therapy:
Clomid and Nolva

Nutrition:
On cycle: eat over maintenance with high carbs, proteins and moderate fat.
Post cycle: ????

Training:
I plan to lift four days a week on cycle focusing on improving my bench, squat, dead-lift and over head press. 6 sets per day, 3 warm up followed by 3 working sets and max out on lat set, rep range: 5. I would do this for all the lifts mentioned earlier followed by 15 sets of accessory lifts every training day which I vary to keep things interesting.

Post cycle training:
Reduce volume after one week off and only focus on heavy sets and not perform accessory, focus on maintaining strength.

I want to keep my bodyfat low. Would be great to receive advice on how to do that while on cycle.
Also let me know if you would change, subtract or add anything.
I will have letro just in case gyno sets in.

How much do you think I can gain? How much will I keep? How long can i keep gains?
Provide info on training off cycle as well please.

This is my first post and do not plan on starting cycle before I have finished my research and this is part of it.

THANK YOU.

3 things.

1. Too young.
2. Doesnt sound like you have been lifting for a dedicated amount of time.
3. You can get some good gains with propper dieting/ nutrition. No point in changing your dieting just because your cycling. your ment to have a propper diet full stop.

[iwitbad]

AAS or not you can maintain strength while cutting. Yes there will be some loss but based on your diet and training you can minimize you losses.

At your age and size, 5 pounds of LBM is not extremely difficult in 4 months

Well i was beaching 315, squatting 375 and deadlifting 500 at 220.

Problem is when i cut to 205 they went down, bench 275, squat 345 and DEAD 405!
How do i stop that from happening. I have decided to delay using but it is hard to let go of your gains, I worked hard to get to where I am and it beats me up that I'm so much weaker, I wanna be strong while being lean, what would you suggest while cutting to maintain strength? It is easier said than done.

[iwitbad]

AAS or not you can maintain strength while cutting. Yes there will be some loss but based on your diet and training you can minimize you losses.

At your age and size, 5 pounds of LBM is not extremely difficult in 4 months

I was benching 295 for reps when i was 220 and now can't even do it once at 205, that really SUCKS man.

[Turkish Juicer]

there is a new member named g lock. I think you and he would be best friends. You both have the same thoughts.

[iwitbad]

Okay I read some of his posts. Come on, the guy is 5'8" and doesn't know what his exact weight is, 150-160, what does that mean? Also he is into rap and gaming and wants to put other people down.

I on the other hand am 6'3" and 205 at 8 percent or lower, I know how to eat without which I wouldn't be where I am right now. The only reason I was even thinking about AAS is to reach my goals quicker. I am disappointed with my loss in strength which might be why I am thinking about AAS.

So please stop comparing me to this G Lock character, none who is 19 and only "150-160" should speak (or must i say type) like that.

I didn't think of AAS in response to depression or a magic fix that wouldn't need me to train or eat properly any longer. The guys my age are usually doing stupid stuff like chest and biceps EOD and yes most young people are looking at AAS as a magic fix thinking that they would become Arnold the next day. Well I have to say I am an exception, I don't train for women, attention etc. Ever since I started training seriously I have only focused on compound movements, nutrition has been good gaining a pound a week all the way from 190 to 220 (30 weeks) after which i cut down to 205(15 weeks). So in 45 weeks, I have never cheated on my diet,consistently made gains and progress. I like the lifestyle but now that I am in my final year in university I was thinking of reaching my goals by graduation (220 pounds 8 % or lower). In other words graduate with high grades and the body I have always wanted(and willing to work for). Please refrain from comparing me to an idiot like G Lock, as I said none who is "150-160" should rant out like that.

I came here to make friends and seek advice and IMO the best way to learn about training and nutrition is from those who use AAS as many of them work harder than one could imagine and really know how things work.

[Capebuffalo]

I retract my statement about you being similar to G Lock. You were pissing me off then. But you are listening and that is huge.

[freddy1418]

I would say he's way passed Glocks level... I think Glock is here for entertainment not n e thing more lol but listen to the Vets and experienced Bro .. they wont stear u wrong.. and best of luck to u

[Noles12]

Well i was beaching 315, squatting 375 and deadlifting 500 at 220.

Problem is when i cut to 205 they went down, bench 275, squat 345 and DEAD 405!
How do i stop that from happening. I have decided to delay using but it is hard to let go of your gains, I worked hard to get to where I am and it beats me up that I'm so much weaker, I wanna be strong while being lean, what would you suggest while cutting to maintain strength? It is easier said than done.

Training and diet is everything. They have to adjust.

I was recently cutting a large amount of weight. While on my cut though my training changed and I adjusted my diet to maintain strength. My bench went from 450 at 265 to 435 at 228. Now that i have cut so much I am comfortable adjusting my diet to slow the weight loss and add on more strength. I am still at 225 and my bench has gone back to 440.

I have not taken any AAS in a year and nothing more than bcaas and protein for supplements.

Your training volume and style must change as well as your macros in your diet to suit your needs. In this case for me it was to cut with minimal loss in LBM.

[iwitbad]

Training and diet is everything. They have to adjust.

I was recently cutting a large amount of weight. While on my cut though my training changed and I adjusted my diet to maintain strength. My bench went from 450 at 265 to 435 at 228. Now that i have cut so much I am comfortable adjusting my diet to slow the weight loss and add on more strength. I am still at 225 and my bench has gone back to 440.I have not taken any AAS in a year and nothing more than bcaas and protein for supplements.

Your training volume and style must change as well as your macros in your diet to suit your needs. In this case for me it was to cut with minimal loss in LBM.

How did your strength stay so high. What I do is I cut on the same programme as I was bulking but reduced the volume, when I cut down my new found bench went from 315 to 275! I still ended up increasing my bench by 50 pounds from when I started but I would like to keep more, should I loose slower than a pound a week, should I reduce volume even further, I dunno I was very discouraged by how quickly I lost strength when i went below 10 percent.

And WOW you can Bench 440 at 225, that would be somewhere I'd like to be in the future, how tall are you?

[Noles12]

How did your strength stay so high. What I do is I cut on the same programme as I was bulking but reduced the volume, when I cut down my new found bench went from 315 to 275! I still ended up increasing my bench by 50 pounds from when I started but I would like to keep more, should I loose slower than a pound a week, should I reduce volume even further, I dunno I was very discouraged by how quickly I lost strength when i went below 10 percent.

And WOW you can Bench 440 at 225, that would be somewhere I'd like to be in the future, how tall are you?

It depends on where that pound a week is coming from. If you are losing a considerable amount of muscle along with fat then yes you will lose gains more drastically. What does your diet look like from a macros standpoint while bulking and while cutting?

Im 6'3