25 and under.......

[papa-g]

Can I get I vote on who here thinks there needs to be a sub-forum labeled "25 and under"

With a sticky that outlines the dangers of taking Aas and pro hormones at such a young age. And how the body needs to develop to allow natural test to level out. The fact that your tendons and ligaments need to be able to handle increased loads and most of all on how to eat right to build up a good base and be able to keep gains after cycle.

Then all these high-school and college kids can go and hang out and just maybe they won't parade around like they know it all and whine when people don't give them cycle advise.

[BFM]

VERY good idea.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

That won't help morons coming on here and asking advice for absurd cycle set ups and predicaments.

[austinite]

That won't help morons coming on here and asking advice for absurd cycle set ups and predicaments.

agree. Cant get anyone to read the current stickies much less new ones.

[Capebuffalo]

They won't read it. They are different. I have a unique build. I am going tO be a pro bodybuilder. With pct I read I will make a full recovery. It is a great idea but if they don't listen to the advise they won't read it. There is a great sticky The young and Steroids. I ask everyone under aged to read. Do they. Hell no. They understand the risk and are going to do it anyway so tell me how to do it. Today was the most under age post I've seen in a day. And they all want to run tren.

[BFM]

agree. Cant get anyone to read the current stickies much less new ones.

I wouldnt say that. Im new here and have spent untold hours reading them.

[austinite]

I wouldnt say that. Im new here and have spent untold hours reading them.

Well you sir, are one of a kind!

[BFM]

Well you sir, are one of a kind!

Thats what my doctors keep telling me.

[stpete]

If you take into consideration the amount of members, and especially new members, the number of people asking these questions is quite small i think. Personally, i don't mind letting them know the possible risks involved. And i think telling them to go hang out w/high school and college kids isn't cool. Kinda like we're better than them cause we're a little older and maybe a little more educated. How are they going to learn there?

I guess what it boils down to is that if those threads bother you, don't open it. And if you do, try to help as best you can.

Just my .02

[papa-g]

Today at least was a high volume off young people. And I don't mind helping but when they don't listen I just wish we could put them all somewhere. Ya know.

[kronik420]

I wouldnt say that. Im new here and have spent untold hours reading them.

same here, i spend a good 2-3 hours ED reading and researching.. so by the time im ready to cycle (about 12 more months) i should know what to do without asking stupid questions.

btw thanks for all the info.

[MikeZ91]

If you take into consideration the amount of members, and especially new members, the number of people asking these questions is quite small i think. Personally, i don't mind letting them know the possible risks involved. And i think telling them to go hang out w/high school and college kids isn't cool. Kinda like we're better than them cause we're a little older and maybe a little more educated. How are they going to learn there?

I guess what it boils down to is that if those threads bother you, don't open it. And if you do, try to help as best you can.

Just my .02

Well said...

Im young and i dont come on here and fight with people begging for advice, i read and learn and i pass on my knowledge about bodybuilding which i happen to know alot about, now im looking to learn from other people about things i dont know... i agree though, there are alot young immature kids on here that do need to grow up, but honestly, there are a lot of older guys that do just as much complaining about younger guys.... stpete is right, if you dont want to see it, dont open it.... i happen to enjoy reading it, gives me so laughter when the marine corps is up my ass all the time

[papa-g]

Well said...

Im young and i dont come on here and fight with people begging for advice, i read and learn and i pass on my knowledge about bodybuilding which i happen to know alot about, now im looking to learn from other people about things i dont know... i agree though, there are alot young immature kids on here that do need to grow up, but honestly, there are a lot of older guys that do just as much complaining about younger guys.... stpete is right, if you dont want to see it, dont open it.... i happen to enjoy reading it, gives me so laughter when the marine corps is up my ass all the time

But I do come on them and explain many things to them. I was trying to get a section with a title that would catch their eye to hopefully get them to pip in and read some really good info. Then if they have a legit question they might know how to go about asking it so it gets a few answers that will likely help in their learning curve.

[MikeZ91]

But I do come on them and explain many things to them. I was trying to get a section with a title that would catch their eye to hopefully get them to pip in and read some really good info. Then if they have a legit question they might know how to go about asking it so it gets a few answers that will likely help in their learning curve.

understood

[Times Roman]

aren't most of you blokes on here under 25 anyways?

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

It won't catch there eye or get them to read anything. If people honestly care about what they're doing then they would research it themselves.

Realistically these kids see that there friends are getting big, so they get some for themselves without a smigin of knowledge on what to do or how to approach it. So they google "steroids" and get this website most likely, then they make a username and ask absolute ridiculous questions and get blasted for it. They get all frustrated and pissed off that nobody will serve them up a perfect cycle on a platter and joe shmoe over here has seen his friends get bigger so apparently nobody here knows what they're talking about. They get all pissy and just end up doing the cycle anyways thinking that it will magiclly make them massive. A month or so goes by and you see them back on this site with questions like "My dick won't work, help!" or"I'm not gaining weight, my diets perfect, i eat kfc, why am I not growing?" or "My nipples itch and are sensative what's going on?" Then when people here ask if they have an AI on hand or what's your intended PCT you get questions like "Whats AI?" "Whats PCT?" It's ridiculous. These kids got there panties in a bunch and if they're told anything they don't want to hear they'll get pissy and act like mommy took away there xbox.

Bottom line is you can't make or get anybody to read something or learn more when they are dead set on doing something. Especially immature kids that are 20 and younger.

[Times Roman]

I think the reason for the over 40 sub forum is that the physiology of us older bulls begins to change at that age, so there are some extra things to consider when working out

[oscarjones]

I think the reason for the over 40 sub forum is that the physiology of us older bulls begins to change at that age, so there are some extra things to consider when working out

Like, saggy nuts.

[bigga4068]

I understand about the frustrations and how would be nice to just stick em somewhere but then again I have a soft spot for youth looking to better themselves. They are at a fragile point where they havent gained enough sense so they just feed on what the people they trust the most tell them. I know i get upset alot of the time when twlking to them but that just my style break em down then build em back up and if they are gonna be taking advice i would rather they take the advice of the vets here that give solid ethical advice. Still some of these turds just strike your last nerve and ya just wanna strangle them.

[Times Roman]

I understand about the frustrations and how would be nice to just stick em somewhere but then again I have a soft spot for youth looking to better themselves. They are at a fragile point where they havent gained enough sense so they just feed on what the people they trust the most tell them. I know i get upset alot of the time when twlking to them but that just my style break em down then build em back up and if they are gonna be taking advice i would rather they take the advice of the vets here that give solid ethical advice. Still some of these turds just strike your last nerve and ya just wanna strangle them.

Agree. Too many times I've seen 21 year olds telling 19 year olds it's OK to cycle.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

It's not the questions that are frustrating, It's there responses and the way they fight back and argue.

[Times Roman]

Personally, i'd vote against such a subforum as I believe it throws up barriers to the learning process.

We've all been under 25 before, and for those that are still under 25, it's a way to pass down knowledge, experience and information from one generation to the next.

[musclekid88]

If you take into consideration the amount of members, and especially new members, the number of people asking these questions is quite small i think. Personally, i don't mind letting them know the possible risks involved. And i think telling them to go hang out w/high school and college kids isn't cool. Kinda like we're better than them cause we're a little older and maybe a little more educated. How are they going to learn there?

I guess what it boils down to is that if those threads bother you, don't open it. And if you do, try to help as best you can.

Just my .02

well said

[Honkey_Kong]

Personally, i'd vote against such a subforum as I believe it throws up barriers to the learning process.

We've all been under 25 before, and for those that are still under 25, it's a way to pass down knowledge, experience and information from one generation to the next.

I agree with you there, besides all that would go on in there is kids telling other kids it's okay to cycle. Then they'll come up with the worst cycles and instead of somebody telling them "no," they'll be giving each other high fives. Then a few months from now, they'll be in the regular subforums asking why they can't get it up for their girlfriend anymore.

[bigga4068]

I think something that does need to be said is this, regardless of your age feel free to post advice but know when to stay in your lane and keep your mouth shut. Just because last week you asked a question and got a cpl answers doesnt make you an expert on the subject the next week. So many times i see people posting advice that they knew nothing about last week. Its great you want to help but if you dont have real experience in apply the advice your giving perhaps its not wise to comment like you do. At a minimum for the readers sake at least advise them its what you read not what you have actually done. Some are really good about this and others are not.

[stpete]

It's not the questions that are frustrating, It's there responses and the way they fight back and argue.

I know....Laugh it off and leave it alone being the bigger person.

[Times Roman]

I think something that does need to be said is this, regardless of your age feel free to post advice but know when to stay in your lane and keep your mouth shut. Just because last week you asked a question and got a cpl answers doesnt make you an expert on the subject the next week. So many times i see people posting advice that they knew nothing about last week. Its great you want to help but if you dont have real experience in apply the advice your giving perhaps its not wise to comment like you do. At a minimum for the readers sake at least advise them its what you read not what you have actually done. Some are really good about this and others are not.

agree.

for example, i've read much regarding PCT, but I don't PCT (I TRT). Because of this, I won't parrot any information I have no actual experience with.

[JohnnyVegas]

They won't read it. They are different. I have a unique build. I am going tO be a pro bodybuilder. With pct I read I will make a full recovery. It is a great idea but if they don't listen to the advise they won't read it. There is a great sticky The young and Steroids. I ask everyone under aged to read. Do they. Hell no. They understand the risk and are going to do it anyway so tell me how to do it. Today was the most under age post I've seen in a day. And they all want to run tren.

So right. I have never met so many special people. They know their growth plates are already closed plus they heard that it is estrogen that causes the plates to fuse so they will be taking an AI. They are going pro and Arnold did them young. They already have a perfect diet. They have already reached their potential. They can't grow no matter how much they eat. They just need a little boost and will only do them once so it is safe.

Or there is the ol' standby: "F*ck you, I am doing them anyway so you might a well help me instead of being a sanctimonious d*ck"...except none of them have the flair to say "sanctimonious."

I wouldnt say that. Im new here and have spent untold hours reading them.

Me too. I read for a long time and didn't start posting until I wanted to be a part of the social side of the site.

Like, saggy nuts.

Hey, I don't have saggy nuts. I use HCG.

[Times Roman]

So right. I have never met so many special people. They know their growth plates are already closed plus they heard that it is estrogen that causes the plates to fuse so they will be taking an AI. They are going pro and Arnold did them young. They already have a perfect diet. They have already reached their potential. They can't grow no matter how much they eat. They just need a little boost and will only do them once so it is safe.

Or there is the ol' standby: "F*ck you, I am doing them anyway so you might a well help me instead of being a sanctimonious d*ck"...except none of them have the flair to say "sanctimonious."



Me too. I read for a long time and didn't start posting until I wanted to be a part of the social side of the site.



Hey, I don't have saggy nuts. I use HCG.

Isn't it amazing how many youngsters that are on the cusp of going pro? after all, it's been six whole months since they started going to the gym and now it's time to go all out. never mind the pizza and six pack of beer diet, other than that, their diet is dialed in....?

[papa-g]

Alot of good input so far guys. And it's not that I don't like younger people it's just I wish they would look around and see that when they ask questions and get answers they don't like it's not because people do like them or are trying to hide anything from them. Its because the people here do care and want them to succeed, but we want them to do it safely. I personally have been on this forum since around 2005-6. Back when it was still called Anabolic Review. Com Since then I lost my info and rejoined in 2010. I can't even begin to tell you guys how much info I've learned here. I myself wanted to cycle way back then but have waited until now as I'll be 30 this year. I don't want to make anyone mad I just would like for other young people to see that waiting is best and no mater who you are or at what training level if your too young then that is it. You should just wait.

Best of luck all and thanx for your responses.

[iwitbad]

Alot of good input so far guys. And it's not that I don't like younger people it's just I wish they would look around and see that when they ask questions and get answers they don't like it's not because people do like them or are trying to hide anything from them. Its because the people here do care and want them to succeed, but we want them to do it safely. I personally have been on this forum since around 2005-6. Back when it was still called Anabolic Review. Com Since then I lost my info and rejoined in 2010. I can't even begin to tell you guys how much info I've learned here. I myself wanted to cycle way back then but have waited until now as I'll be 30 this year. I don't want to make anyone mad I just would like for other young people to see that waiting is best and no mater who you are or at what training level if your too young then that is it. You should just wait.

Best of luck all and thanx for your responses.

I'm young myself and was unaware of the sides of cycling too young, I changed my mind after posting here, however I'm very interested in AAS and love learing so I have decided to research for years before i cycle, i'm also doing research for my idiot older brother (26) who has the brain (i'm not puting myself on a pedestal, he really is an idiot despite being so much older).

I agree that a lot of younger guys have an impatient mind and don't know how to diet or train but that could be true for older people as well, i would advice against a cycle for anyone who hasn't squatted over 400 pounds lol, but that is just me.

[rampaige77]

i dont know as much as most of you guys but ive been on n off for 8 or 9 years i cant keep track but these youngsters need a lil guidence if we keep fighting with em or smartassing em they get defencive & standoffish n think were a bunch of old ass haters who dont want the next group of "hulks" to achive & pass us up i tell em not to & why n that they need to be physicaly ready ect ect but if they present the fact that there banging it anyhow n that there gonna run 200mg tren ed 300 mg test ed & anadrol 50 2xs a day ect ect im not gonna ignore that i tell em if you need to then go small n relax on the 80s style cycle & then i get 6 guys saying it encouriging them to use , i veiw it like a needle exchange nobody wants the junkies to shoot dope but for ****s sake there gonna so lets get clean rigs n keep disease down. Kids are junked out on stupidty

[Times Roman]

i dont know as much as most of you guys but ive been on n off for 8 or 9 years i cant keep track but these youngsters need a lil guidence if we keep fighting with em or smartassing em they get defencive & standoffish n think were a bunch of old ass haters who dont want the next group of "hulks" to achive & pass us up i tell em not to & why n that they need to be physicaly ready ect ect but if they present the fact that there banging it anyhow n that there gonna run 200mg tren ed 300 mg test ed & anadrol 50 2xs a day ect ect im not gonna ignore that i tell em if you need to then go small n relax on the 80s style cycle & then i get 6 guys saying it encouriging them to use , i veiw it like a needle exchange nobody wants the junkies to shoot dope but for ****s sake there gonna so lets get clean rigs n keep disease down. Kids are junked out on stupidty

this has been an ongoing issue we talk about. but yes, you are correct

[jimmyinkedup]

It's not the questions that are frustrating, It's there responses and the way they fight back and argue.

Very good point and observation. which ties right into one thing rarely touched upon - the emotional maturity required before undertaking hormonal manipulation. Most of the time the threads in question clearly demonstrate its lacking.

The prob I see with an under 25 area is it limits the amount of experience avail and also I honestly think it would turn into a free for all and a haven for hearsay and misinformation. Ego and bravado run wild at those ages - prudence and safety dont even enter the vocabulary - those members , more than anyone , need to be in the area with our most experienced and knowledgeable members that will shoot it to them straight, in a non condescending manner, without lecturing.

[papa-g]

Very good point and observation. which ties right into one thing rarely touched upon - the emotional maturity required before undertaking hormonal manipulation. Most of the time the threads in question clearly demonstrate its lacking.

The prob I see with an under 25 area is it limits the amount of experience avail and also I honestly think it would turn into a free for all and a haven for hearsay and misinformation. Ego and bravado run wild at those ages - prudence and safety dont even enter the vocabulary - those members , more than anyone , need to be in the area with our most experienced and knowledgeable members that will shoot it to them straight, in a non condescending manner, without lecturing.

Jimmy, this is a very good point. I'd like to point out that these are the kind of thoughtful and very informative responses I've come to expect from you guys. I just wish A guy who's 20 yrs old would look at the other hundred or so threads started from guys the same age asking for 1st cycle advise. Rather then starting a new thread and getting all pissy when they get an answer they don't like. The whole maturity level point hits the nail on the head.