Cant f'ing eat

**snowblowjoe** · 06-08-2012, 06:58 PM

Ok. I am running 500mg test ew and 250mg tren twice a week. I have been doing the test for exactly a month now, the tren I have pinned 3 times now. I am extremely paranoid about side effects and am prone to gyno and hair loss so I have been running letrozole every day since I started the cycle, and about halfway through I added tamoxifen , dutasteride, and prami. I know my gear isn't bunk but I am not having any of the good effects of testosterone . I have no libido, no hunger, no aggression, no nothing. I am assuming why I am feeling this way is because I am running all of the AI's and SERMS with my cycle. Can someone with alot of experience please confirm or deny my guess? Cus I heard tren makes u horny and eat like crazy, and I have gotten alot stronger on it but I have no appetite or libido at all. Thanks in advance.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-08-2012, 07:05 PM

Think you crashed your estrogen. To many ai's and serm how much prami are you running.Letro how much? Drop all that for 3 days and see how you feel. you don't need novla on cycle

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 06-08-2012, 07:19 PM

Letro is powerful and combined with Nolva that's way overkill. Your e2 levels could be crushed which would explain your sides. I would stop both, maybe look at getting some dex.

**snowblowjoe** · 06-08-2012, 07:58 PM

Yeah that's what I assumed, but I would rather feel all blah and mellow than going through the tren effects of night sweats, hair loss, and gyno. The Letro I take is liquid and it's at 2.5mg ed and the prami is liquid as well and is at 1mg. Tamoxifen is 20mg. And dutasteride is at .5mg.

My only concern is that taking all these ai's and serms will prevent and hinder my cycle gains? Will I not gain as much muscle or improve in strength as much as if I wasn't on all that shite?

Thanks again in advance.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-08-2012, 08:02 PM

What is your cycle experience/ history. Are you gyno prone?

**songdog** · 06-08-2012, 08:06 PM

You need estro to grow bro get off the letro.

**snowblowjoe** · 06-08-2012, 08:14 PM

Yeah i already had chest lipo done once. I still have a little gyno left over but not really, I notice it more than other people. Other people probably don't notice it.

songdog--so the letro is preventing the steroids from working to there full extent? I understand you need a little estrogen but am not sure how important it is in the gaining of lean muscle mass. Is there another AI i should take besides letro that would prevent most of the sides but not prevent the cycle from working to its full potential?

**Turkish Juicer** · 06-09-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

o the letro is preventing the steroids from working to there full extent? I understand you need a little estrogen but am not sure how important it is in the gaining of lean muscle mass. Is there another AI i should take besides letro that would prevent most of the sides but not prevent the cycle from working to its full potential?

2.5mg Letrozole ED will completely wipe off the estrogen in your body.

What you have done so far is the textbook definition of estro suicide.

Running Nolvadex at 20mg ED makes this even worse, although I am positive that your estrogen would have crashed even without the introduction of Nolvadex to this cycle. People seem to forget how powerful Letrozol is in fact, especially when dosed at 2.5mg ED.

Drop the Nolva, you can reduce Letro dosage to half of what you are taking right now and intake frequency should also be EOD.

Another alternative would be switching to Arimidex 0.25mg EOD, or Aromasin 12.5mg ED.

**snowblowjoe** · 06-09-2012, 02:25 PM

Alright bro thanks alot. I knew I was killing my estrogen, I was just so worried about the side effects associated with tren especially since I am already starting to get a receding hairline. Wasn't sure though about how important it was to have some estrogen to get the most out of your cycle. For now I will stick with halving the letro EOD until I can order some arimidex .

What are your thoughts on my prami dosage? Should I knock it down to 1mg EOD?

**Turkish Juicer** · 06-09-2012, 11:48 PM

I don't use Prami, so I am not the one to answer that.

**binsser** · 06-10-2012, 02:20 AM

on this cycle id just use arimidex eod and hcg throughout thats it keep letro/nolva on hand in case you need it and drop the pram you dont need all these differant chemicals at once keep it simple and youll grow buddy especialy on what your taking!

**snowblowjoe** · 06-10-2012, 06:15 AM

I'd love to get my hands on some hcg but don't have any hookups at all for that

**snowblowjoe** · 06-12-2012, 02:34 PM

Bump

**snowblowjoe** · 06-14-2012, 02:35 PM

binsser--the prami is similar to bromo or caber. its used to stop proegesterone gyno. and tren is a proestogen(know i spelled it wrong) so thats why i am running the prami. if i wasnt running tren then i would not be using prami.

im curious to why you say i dont need the prami? still dont have a source for hcg so cant use that unfortunately.

**Thor249** · 06-14-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

Alright bro thanks alot. I knew I was killing my estrogen, I was just so worried about the side effects associated with tren especially since I am already starting to get a receding hairline. Wasn't sure though about how important it was to have some estrogen to get the most out of your cycle. For now I will stick with halving the letro EOD until I can order some arimidex .

What are your thoughts on my prami dosage? Should I knock it down to 1mg EOD?

Taking AI and serms won't stop night sweats and hairloss...... Those are just side effects that occur from tren and there's pretty much nothing you can do. Some people get it some don't.