Reputable lab question

**zack67360** · 06-13-2012, 01:22 PM

On TRT and found a source that was cheaper than my RX, so went with it. I was doing Enanthate with good results, 0.25cc/day SQ. Upon advice from a friend, changed to Prop. The vial had crystals in it, tried it SQ with bad results; pain, large lump and inflammation. Went IM in the glut with it, same result. Backed off to eod, doing 0.5cc. I cannot sit without pain, laying on a bench at the gym is also very painful. Then discovered the gear is manufactured in China, so thought maybe I should go with a more reputable pharmaceutical company. I plan on going back to the Enanthate and trashing the other vials of prop I bought

$210 down the tubes, live and learn.

zack

**< <Samson> >** · 06-13-2012, 01:29 PM

If I had a script I would only run Pharma grade. Fvck cost, I rather have quality. . . . Just me though.

**Times Roman** · 06-13-2012, 01:30 PM

Mate,
you can't ask for a source on the board. Please edit your post, ok?
Cheers!
---Roman

**Noles12** · 06-13-2012, 02:01 PM

If your prop has crystals then it has crashed.

You need to heat the vial to put the hormone back into solution. Do not inject it in a crystallized form

**ghettoboyd** · 06-13-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Noles12

If your prop has crystals then it has crashed.

You need to heat the vial to put the hormone back into solution. Do not inject it in a crystallized form

exactly bro, your gear is fine you just need to heat it back into solution...you should have known this though bro that you shouldent inject crashed gear....

**zack67360** · 06-13-2012, 05:07 PM

Thanks, post edited. I was not looking for a source, I just phrased my question poorly. Was just wondering which foriegn pharmaceutical companies make quality products.
I tried running the vial under hot tap water as suggested but this was not totally effective. How does one effectively heat a crashed vial?

**< <Samson> >** · 06-13-2012, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by zack67360

How does one effectively heat a crashed vial?

Put it in a pan of hot ass water on the stove.

**ghettoboyd** · 06-13-2012, 05:26 PM

i have one of those flat glass top stoves so i just set it on the burner on like 2 or 3 and slowly heat it till the crystals dissolve...you may have to do it everytime though as it could keep crystalizing over and over...make shure to put a pin in it as a vent so the vial dosent blow up also...

**zack67360** · 06-13-2012, 07:42 PM

No glass top range, gas burners here. So hot ass water it'll be and will give it another try.

**Noles12** · 06-14-2012, 07:41 PM

Water just under boiling. Let it sit in there below the and every so often swirl the vial to help with mixing

**Juice Authority** · 06-14-2012, 08:08 PM

I'm confused. If you're on TRT doesn't your insurance cover it? Mine does.

**Juice Authority** · 06-14-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Noles12

If your prop has crystals then it has crashed.

You need to heat the vial to put the hormone back into solution. Do not inject it in a crystallized form

You do realize that crashed gear can recrystallize in the body right? Crashed gear goes straight in the trash. I don't mess with that. Not worth it.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-14-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

I'm confused. If you're on TRT doesn't your insurance cover it? Mine does.

my insurance doesnt cover it

**Juice Authority** · 06-14-2012, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

my insurance doesnt cover it

And it's prescribed by your PCP and not an anti-aging doc? Strange.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-14-2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

And it's prescribed by your PCP and not an anti-aging doc? Strange.

yes, blue cross/ blue shield
i had them in two different states with different policies and wasnt covered either time

**Juice Authority** · 06-14-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

yes, blue cross/ blue shield
i had them in two different states with different policies and wasnt covered either time

I have Anthem blue cross. No issues. I had Aetna before and had no issues. What was the reason they won't cover it? Testosterone deficiency is now a widely recognized issue by the AMA.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-14-2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

I have Anthem blue cross. No issues. I had Aetna before and had no issues. What was the reason they won't cover it? Testosterone deficiency is now a widely recognized issue by the AMA.

i never looked into the reason, they just denied it. Maybe ill have to dig deeper,

**Noles12** · 06-14-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

You do realize that crashed gear can recrystallize in the body right? Crashed gear goes straight in the trash. I don't mess with that. Not worth it.

Yes it can but often it has crashed due to exposure to low temperature. I always let the vial sit for a few days after heating to see if it crashes again.

I had 10 vials show up crashed during the winter months one year. I heated each one and not one of them crashed again and I had no PIP whatsoever.

Now then if the solution crashes again in appropriate temperatures I would recommend tossing it

**Juice Authority** · 06-14-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i never looked into the reason, they just denied it. Maybe ill have to dig deeper,

Just ask your doctor to fill out their form, it's a short one, explaining the medical necessity. The good news is once approved, you're good for life.

**cb714** · 06-15-2012, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Juice Authority

I'm confused. If you're on TRT doesn't your insurance cover it? Mine does.

Mine does not cover it either. They only cover androgel , which is worthless.

**Dpyle** · 06-15-2012, 03:31 PM

My script was covered by insurance but I buy out of pocket to avoid the over pricing these pharmacies charge to insurance. I know 4 1ml vials cost more than the 10ml vial paying out of pocket. Nit really sure what they charge the insurance co. But I know my copay for 4 syringes was gonna be 12 bucks so there's no telling what they were gonna charge the insurance for those alone.

I think they use the insured to cover the cost of the uninsured in a lot of cases. Example being my diabetic grandmother. She could buy a box of insulin syringes for 60 bucks out of pocket while the pharma billed her Medicare 500 for the same box.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-15-2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dpyle

My script was covered by insurance but I buy out of pocket to avoid the over pricing these pharmacies charge to insurance. I know 4 1ml vials cost more than the 10ml vial paying out of pocket. Nit really sure what they charge the insurance co. But I know my copay for 4 syringes was gonna be 12 bucks so there's no telling what they were gonna charge the insurance for those alone.

I think they use the insured to cover the cost of the uninsured in a lot of cases. Example being my diabetic grandmother. She could buy a box of insulin syringes for 60 bucks out of pocket while the pharma billed her Medicare 500 for the same box.

damn pins are expensive where you live. I pay $12-$20 for 100 of slin pins and .25 each for a 3cc pin at the pharmacy

**cb714** · 06-15-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

damn pins are expensive where you live. I pay $12-$20 for 100 of slin pins and .25 each for a 3cc pin at the pharmacy

Look on Amazon. I got a box of 100 for like $12

**Dpyle** · 06-15-2012, 03:47 PM

Oh as long as I pay cash and don't use insurance I get my pins for a quarter a piece. Shows you how they run it up on the Ins. Companies. I bought my last round through ar when I picked up some Ldex though. Gonna switch pharmacies for the test though. Walgreens tries to pull the ol we can't get the 10ml vial anymore and I refuse to pay 1.5 times the price for less than half the test.