Trt with oral

**carteblanche08865** · 06-13-2012, 06:37 PM

Hey everyone,
I've been training a friend of my mom's for about 2 years now and it's time for me to pony up lol. He came to me to help get him in shape a few summers ago and started tagging along in the gym. After about the first year he really got into it and switched to body part training. Well maybe a year ago he was asking how all these high school kids are getting that powerful full look and even their necks and faces seem to fill out. I told him they're probably taking something and he wanted to know what etc etc. I said probably an oral like dbol or something and he actually knows a source that wants to sell him some. Make a long story short, I told him to give me another solid year and then I'll help him take them correctly.

Well it's time for me to help him out. He's currently on trt, he's almost 50. He specifically wants the look that I've known to be dbol from the guys bs'ing around the gym. He's definitely an ectomorph and still looks more like a triathlete than anything. Now I've never taken it, but want to recommend an oral that he can take along with his prescribed trt. Would dbol be a good choice then? He'll take my advice and limit them to 4-6 weeks as well. I have no doubts there.

Thanks for the help guys.

**ScotchGuard02** · 06-13-2012, 08:19 PM

If he's on TRT, I'd recommend that he just double or triple his dose. The normal dose is about 100mg/wk. If he got on 300mg/wk he'll see a difference. I think dbol 's good if he's got more Test in his system. Otherwise, he'll just gain some water weight and lose it again as soon as he gets off dbol.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-13-2012, 08:24 PM

dbol will give him a softer water look. I agree just bump up his test

**Times Roman** · 06-13-2012, 08:26 PM

or he can try var. bumping up his dose means puttin him on cycle

**carteblanche08865** · 06-13-2012, 08:38 PM

Right, I don't know what his test rx is. I know he does weekly shots though and is looking for an oral to play with to get going. I did mention that adding some prop in there on his own would be his best bet but he's not going to inject just yet. I did say that he'll be putting on some water and possibly lose it as well.

**austinite** · 06-13-2012, 10:18 PM

Using TRT is going to be a pain in the a$$. Would have to do it quite a few times a day. And what would he do when he runs out of TRT way before his prescription is due? Unless he is not using and stock piling. If he has a good source, just get some IM test.

**carteblanche08865** · 06-13-2012, 10:23 PM

Yea, I have no idea how that works with his rx and how much he gets. I don't know what his dosing is, but he did say that trt doesn't work for his ED and he's always relying on viagra. I thought that was messed up. He also said he has raisins and didn't even know what hcg is and it was never mentioned.

I could see him blasting and cruising if I can convince him to include just a little test prop, even sub q. He just doesn't know much and thinks orals are a quick and easy fix.

Thanks for the replies everyone!

**Userat204** · 06-14-2012, 03:33 AM

Dbol is fine but he's only gonna have a fuller look while on it. He on trt, get him some deca and dbol, 500 test, 400 deca, 30-50 dbol. He's 50 so he needs to watch bp. 12-16 weeks he will love it.

I like to run 30mg dbol with trt because it binds weakly to ar, so still clearing out, which I don't believe in saturation, but it can be a nice addition.

I say have him run a real cycle. He already pins, why not bump it and add deca, he will feel good and some dbol won't hurt if he watches bp and lots of water. He will be a née man.

Make sure he has an AI and caber from man power.

**carteblanche08865** · 06-14-2012, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Userat204

Dbol is fine but he's only gonna have a fuller look while on it. He on trt, get him some deca and dbol, 500 test, 400 deca, 30-50 dbol. He's 50 so he needs to watch bp. 12-16 weeks he will love it.

I like to run 30mg dbol with trt because it binds weakly to ar, so still clearing out, which I don't believe in saturation, but it can be a nice addition.

I say have him run a real cycle. He already pins, why not bump it and add deca, he will feel good and some dbol won't hurt if he watches bp and lots of water. He will be a née man.

Make sure he has an AI and caber from man power.

Hey thanks man, I'm going to bs with him later today and just let him know he can do a lot better than dbol only. I'm going to try and convince him to pin and then we'll get him going the 'right' way lol. I was kind of under the impression that as long as he kept his trt going, he could throw an oral in here and there and maybe keep some of the gains? I'll keep you guys posted.

Thanks much!

**gixxerboy1** · 06-14-2012, 09:13 AM

isnt he pinning for his trt?

**cb714** · 06-14-2012, 09:28 AM

If he's on TRT and in the USA he's taking test cyp. He should just increase his dosage and call it a day. The way you look is mostly dependent upon diet, training and genetics. Although some compounds will give you different looks as far as the bloated look (dbol ) or hard look (mast), neck size has nothing to do with what compound you are taking.

**carteblanche08865** · 06-14-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

isnt he pinning for his trt?

He still does the weekly trips to his doc. I'll ask to see if he even knows he can pin @ home

**carteblanche08865** · 06-14-2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by cb714

If he's on TRT and in the USA he's taking test cyp. He should just increase his dosage and call it a day. The way you look is mostly dependent upon diet, training and genetics. Although some compounds will give you different looks as far as the bloated look (dbol) or hard look (mast), neck size has nothing to do with what compound you are taking.

Thanks cb, I think he just wants to look bigger is all. He's always been so lean and lanky so maybe he just wants that powerful look idk really, but that's my best guess.

**Blergs** · 06-14-2012, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

If he's on TRT, I'd recommend that he just double or triple his dose. The normal dose is about 100mg/wk. If he got on 300mg/wk he'll see a difference. I think dbol's good if he's got more Test in his system. Otherwise, he'll just gain some water weight and lose it again as soon as he gets off dbol.

TOTALLY agree!
why would he not just run a test cycle of 400-500mg ew for 12-15 weeks? its not liver toxic and would yeald better gains.