Best Time to get low testosterone and GH results

[snowblowjoe]

Would the best time to get really low test results be about 10 days after your last pin of test or hormone? Like the sweet spot of time right after AAS cycle, but before you start your pct cycle. I am assuming if you wait 10 days, dont have any pct, and fast before you take the test you should get some very very low results. Am I correct in making this assumption? Thanks in advance.

[gixxerboy1]

depends on what you were using.
Why are you trying to get low readings?

[cb714]

He's probably trying to get a prescription.

Long ester compounds like enanthate and cyp you probably want to take bloodwork the day before you start PCT (day 13)

Short ester compounds like prop I'd take bloodwork the day you start PCT in the morning. (day 3)

[snowblowjoe]

im using 250mg test e 250 mg sustanon every week and 500mg tren e every week.

my test levels are already really low but not low enough to get TRT. is there anything immoral or unethical about that?

[gixxerboy1]

then i would wait about 20 days after your last injection
trt isnt a great thing. You get a script for a low dose, so its not like you get all the juice you want legally. A lot of insurances dont cover it, so its not really cheaper.

[cb714]

then i would wait about 20 days after your last injection
trt isnt a great thing. You get a script for a low dose, so its not like you get all the juice you want legally. A lot of insurances dont cover it, so its not really cheaper.

Definitely not cheaper. I went to pick mine up at the store the other day and they ran out of "generic" and all they had was depo-testosterone and it was $30 for 1 measly ml! I was like "are you F'n kidding me?"

[JAB1]

[QUOTE=snowblowjoe;6040987]im using 250mg test e 250 mg sustanon every week and 500mg tren e every week.

my test levels are already really low but not low enough to get TRT. is there anything immoral or unethical about that?[/QUOTE

LOL, yeah probably immoral but who gives a fck. Most people think juicing in the first place is. It may not be cheaper but atleast you would have a script to deal with any legal issues, even if you dont actually fill it due to cheaper on the street.

[snowblowjoe]

id rather have the peace of mind knowing i was getting pharma grade test and not some UG lab or some random persons version of test. also i think if i had above average or average test levels i wouldnt see the need in cycling so it would be better for my health in the long run as well. and then once i get rich i could afford GH therapy. i have to admitt i would want to use more than prescribed of that, just thinking about it makes my mouth water

[lovbyts]

Why would you want to HAVE to pin for the next 40+ years. If I had borderline low test especially in my early 30s I would first do everything I could to find out why and try to get it fixed without going on TRT, that's a last resort.

To many people are trying to take the easy/quick way out without thinking things through or fixing the problem. You are only 31, what happens if/when your job changes and you have no insurance to cover the price of prescription anymore? What happens when your doc says you need test at least 2x a year and you have to pay out of pocket? Is your job/insurance guaranteed for life? I'm almost 50 and I'm still worried about mine. I have changed jobs every 6 years or less since I was in my 20s and not always by my choice. Not having insurance isnt any fun. You had better think about your future a little more before making a rash decision.

[gixxerboy1]

LOL, yeah probably immoral but who gives a fck. Most people think juicing in the first place is. It may not be cheaper but atleast you would have a script to deal with any legal issues, even if you dont actually fill it due to cheaper on the street.

you can still get in trouble. You would have to get other test that is approved for use. So getting some ugl or more then a script covers does you no good. You cant get caught with a bunch of vials and be ok.

id rather have the peace of mind knowing i was getting pharma grade test and not some UG lab or some random persons version of test. also i think if i had above average or average test levels i wouldnt see the need in cycling so it would be better for my health in the long run as well. and then once i get rich i could afford GH therapy. i have to admitt i would want to use more than prescribed of that, just thinking about it makes my mouth water

again you get a script for enough for trt. You dont get enough to run cycles. If they give you 1 10ml vial that is supposed to last 2 and a half months. You just cant go to the pharm and buy it when ever you want it

[Times Roman]

If you don't have natty low t, then running a mild 100mg/week course wont' provide any beneffits. But it will give you all the headaches. And only 31 years old?

Headaches:
Small balls
having to run HCG if you dn't want small balls
high-er BP
etc.

[swm1972]

I get Watson test cyp on script for hrt and I get 1 10ml vial every 30 days. They say there is a contamination concern once the vial has been unsealed and to discard after 30 days.

That's exactly what I do with it too. I swear. Scouts honor. There is no slow growing stockpile.

I'm not the only person I've heard of getting it like this. So you aren't definitely going to only get one vial every 10 + weeks.

Hrt is the best thing that ever happened to me. I've been a human pin cushion for 6 years now (between hrt, HGH, cycles, peptides). If you need it, it's a game changer.

[MickeyKnox]

Joe,

couple of things to keep in mind. first, you want to get your bloods the day before your start pct- this will ensure a trough level. and secondly, make sure you go in the afternoon. this is when your natural test levels are their lowest. and this is going to sound crazy but, purposely increase your stress - without snapping on anyone. this will decrease your test levels further.

[snowblowjoe]

i don't have insurance, so that doesn't come into factor. i'm use to paying a fortune for my medications. i wouldnt use the TRT to run cycles, I would just use it as prescribed and still keep hitting the gym like crazy. Regardless wether it is a low dose or not, more pure testosterone in system is better than no testosterone in system. At such a low dose as long as I keep up with my bloodwork, sides and organ damage shouldnt be a problem. And I can always come off TRT. Just taper down and start a pct and be done with it. I dont see the negatives to this besides the cost?

[snowblowjoe]

1 10ml vial every month sounds pretty damn efficient and effective to me.

[snowblowjoe]

im not being a postwhore promise.

qixxerboy---i dont plan on selling or carrying vials of test around, i wouldnt get caught or ever need a script for legal reasons.

times roman---i dont mind small balls cus normally my balls are so ****ing huge they become a nuisance!! my blood pressure is straight, i get clonidine prescribed and it is extremely effective at regulating my blood pressure.

[gixxerboy1]

i don't have insurance, so that doesn't come into factor. i'm use to paying a fortune for my medications. i wouldnt use the TRT to run cycles, I would just use it as prescribed and still keep hitting the gym like crazy. Regardless wether it is a low dose or not, more pure testosterone in system is better than no testosterone in system. At such a low dose as long as I keep up with my bloodwork, sides and organ damage shouldnt be a problem. And I can always come off TRT. Just taper down and start a pct and be done with it. I dont see the negatives to this besides the cost?

using it as prescribed is trt. And if you do that for a while you may not recover with pct.

1 10ml vial every month sounds pretty damn efficient and effective to me.

I would say that is rare to get a 10ml vial every month, Some people get 1ml vial just enough for the month, i get a 10ml vial but they wont refill it everymonth because at the dosage i take it would last longer then that. And i pay cash for it.

[snowblowjoe]

what form of test do u get and whats the mg? how much does it cost, do u have insurance?

[gixxerboy1]

what form of test do u get and whats the mg? how much does it cost, do u have insurance?

i have insurance, they wont cover it. I get test cyp 200mg/ml
We dont list prices but its more then getting it from a source

[swm1972]

using it as prescribed is trt. And if you do that for a while you may not recover with pct.

I would say that is rare to get a 10ml vial every month, Some people get 1ml vial just enough for the month, i get a 10ml vial but they wont refill it everymonth because at the dosage i take it would last longer then that. And i pay cash for it.

Is your script specifically state how often to fill, or just 'gixx is to take 150 mg every week via inter muscular injection'. Mine lists dosage like that and when I went thru a local small town pharmacy they didn't refill but ever 2 months. But I changed to a well known chain store and they said their policy on ruptured vials require them to refill ever 30 days. I don't mind.

[gixxerboy1]

Is your script specifically state how often to fill, or just 'gixx is to take 150 mg every week via inter muscular injection'. Mine lists dosage like that and when I went thru a local small town pharmacy they didn't refill but ever 2 months. But I changed to a well known chain store and they said their policy on ruptured vials require them to refill ever 30 days. I don't mind.

mine say 200mg every 10 days, i goto walgreens

[snowblowjoe]

walgreens are the priciest mofo's around!!! qixxerboy do you mind me asking if you get your TRT through just a normal primary care doctor or did u go to one of the hundreds of "anti aging" clinics down in south floriduh?

[gixxerboy1]

walgreens are the priciest mofo's around!!! qixxerboy do you mind me asking if you get your TRT through just a normal primary care doctor or did u go to one of the hundreds of "anti aging" clinics down in south floriduh?

primary care

[swm1972]

mine say 200mg every 10 days, i goto walgreens

You actually go 10 days between shots or do you break it up? I just couldn't imagine going more then seven days. It might be mental, but I feel less energetic and such at the end of the week.

[gixxerboy1]

You actually go 10 days between shots or do you break it up? I just couldn't imagine going more then seven days. It might be mental, but I feel less energetic and such at the end of the week.

no i dont. my original script was 100mg per week, the dr was cool and upped it for me. So just wrote it that way

[swm1972]

walgreens are the priciest mofo's around!!! qixxerboy do you mind me asking if you get your TRT through just a normal primary care doctor or did u go to one of the hundreds of "anti aging" clinics down in south floriduh?

I go to an endo that is recommended by dr crisler. I think these type of doctors are somewhere between a primary care physician and an anti aging clinic. They keep me right at the highest end of the normal range. Most primary care physicians laugh at the suggestion of HRT. And the ones that aren't completely against the practice will barely medicate you into the low to mid range of normal.

I'm sure they are just trying to make sure they can argue medical necessity if the FDA or DEA goes on a witch hunt against them. But that doesn't mean what they are doing is what is best for the patient. Our family practitioner no longer will prescribe pain management for longer then 30 days due to fear of DEA persecution. He has 300k in student loans and a family. He can't afford to be out of business due to a misguided witch hunt. And if that means the patient suffers so be it. Sad really.

[JAB1]

[QUOTE=gixxerboy1;6041129]you can still get in trouble. You would have to get other test that is approved for use. So getting some ugl or more then a script covers does you no good. You cant get caught with a bunch of vials and be ok.


Good point. I was thinking more of just having a script and taking a small amount if you fly, etc. Thats something I fear while on, having to take a trip last minute and screwing up my shots. Also If insurance covers it get whatever they give you but dont take it for trt, stockpile for cycle. Of course this thinking is based on original post of getting tested when low test due to cycle, not really needing trt.

Prob not that easy tho...

[Juice Authority]

[QUOTE=JAB1;6041107]

im using 250mg test e 250 mg sustanon every week and 500mg tren e every week.

my test levels are already really low but not low enough to get TRT. is there anything immoral or unethical about that?[/QUOTE

LOL, yeah probably immoral but who gives a fck. Most people think juicing in the first place is. It may not be cheaper but atleast you would have a script to deal with any legal issues, even if you dont actually fill it due to cheaper on the street.

A script for test won't help with any other compounds they find.

[gixxerboy1]

[QUOTE=Juice Authority;6042233]

A script for test won't help with any other compounds they find.

or if its some ugl test, or if you script is for cyp and you have enenthate or prop

[Juice Authority]

I would say that is rare to get a 10ml vial every month, Some people get 1ml vial just enough for the month, i get a 10ml vial but they wont refill it everymonth because at the dosage i take it would last longer then that. And i pay cash for it.

Insurance won't cover 10ml vials anymore. That recently changed. Before I would get a 10ml vial of Watson or Sandoz every month until CVS caught the error. Now I get 4 1ml vials/month. Insurance typically only pays for a 1 month supply of any drug. 10ml vials is like 2.5 months if it's used as prescribed, which for me is 200mgs/wk.

[gixxerboy1]

Insurance won't cover 10ml vials anymore. That recently changed. Before I would get a 10ml vial of Watson or Sandoz every month until CVS caught the error. Now I get 4 1ml vials/month. Insurance typically only pays for a 1 month supply of any drug. 10ml vials is like 2.5 months if it's used as prescribed, which for me is 200mgs/wk.

since my insurance doesnt pay i guess thats why i havent had that issue

[cb714]

All Im saying is if you do go on TRT and your insurance doesn't cover it, MAKE SURE your pharmacy is giving you "generic" like Watson or Sandoz. If they try to give you the name brand depo-test its going to cost you triple the price... and Im not talking triple the price of ugl's.. Im talking triple the price of the already exaggerated cost of generic.

[swm1972]

Insurance won't cover 10ml vials anymore. That recently changed. Before I would get a 10ml vial of Watson or Sandoz every month until CVS caught the error. Now I get 4 1ml vials/month. Insurance typically only pays for a 1 month supply of any drug. 10ml vials is like 2.5 months if it's used as prescribed, which for me is 200mgs/wk.

I still pay out of pocket at cvs and still get a 10ml vial a month. I am guessing the insurance company through a bitch fit because I picked up less then 2 weeks ago.

[Juice Authority]

I still pay out of pocket at cvs and still get a 10ml vial a month. I am guessing the insurance company through a bitch fit because I picked up less then 2 weeks ago.

My insurance company probably would have kept paying for the 10ml vial. The error was on CVS for filling it (I could have paid out of pocket though). The doc wrote the script for the 10ml vial but some pharmacist must have looked up the coverage plan and noticed they only reimburse for a 1 month supply.

[snowblowjoe]

if you are a candidate and are currently getting TRT does that automatically give you an in or a pass to get HGH therapy as well? or what are the differences. what more do you need or what kind of bloodwork do u need to get TRT and HGH therapy?

[gixxerboy1]

if you are a candidate and are currently getting TRT does that automatically give you an in or a pass to get HGH therapy as well? or what are the differences. what more do you need or what kind of bloodwork do u need to get TRT and HGH therapy?

gh is harder to get. And i hope you have a lot of $$ because it is extremely expensive at a pharmacy. GH doesnt do that much were i would pay that amount of money for it. I would go get a new mercedes. it would be cheaper monthly

[snowblowjoe]

If GH and TRT therapy were same amount of money which one would you get? And in what way is it harder to get?

[gixxerboy1]

if my test was actually low i would go with trt. You would see more from it and "feel" it more.
gh is harder to get because there isnt a real medical necessity for it when your older

[snowblowjoe]

But does GH give you better overall benefits in the long run?

[gixxerboy1]

But does GH give you better overall benefits in the long run?

its subjective. What do you consider benefits? Also if your test is really low, taking gh isnt going to make you feel better.