A cycle question, please be professional when you answer or don't bother!

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

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[stocky121]

how old are you?
also your really not anywhere near your peak yet you could but a lot more on with diet

but to answer your question
1 no
2 yes
3 no
have a look at the stickys in the pct forum

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

I'm 20, for the first question; how much mg do I need a wk?(I eat 5 times a day)

[John Andrew]

You have not trained long enough to start using anything. You are not strong enough. Do 10 years of training and dieting, get to be the best you can be. You can gain an extra 40 lbs in a year easy. When you squat and dead lift more than double your bench, and when your bench is over the 300 lbs, then ask the questions. I am 57. I was natural till age 50, held state titles and other records all natural, I think I know what I am talking about! Regards, John

[stocky121]

your a bit young to start but ok
a first cycle probs between 300-500mg test per week.
you might eat 5 times a day but that statement is redundent.
whats to say you eat 5 snickers a day and thats it?

[MickeyKnox]

Hi,
So I'm starting my cycle today, I have 500mg of testosterone enanthate( 500mg for the entire cycle, not a week). I'm planning to take 50mg/wk for 10 weeks (2 shots of 25mg, Fri and Tue). as far as PCT, I just ordered HCGenerate and I will be taking them daily for 2 weeks after my last shot of test.
Now, The questions are:
1)As a beginner, is 50mg/wk enough?
2)Do I need anything else beside the test during the cycle?
3)For PCT, is HCGenerate enough or do I need anything else?

Body information:
Age 20
weight 163 pounds
length 6' ft
bench press 190, max(225)
dead-lift 250
squat 225
Body-fat% not sure but most likely less than 10%
exp 2 years in gym

Thanks you for your time!

not only is this "cycle" not a cycle, it needs serious attention. but notwithstanding, you're too young to be using AAS.

come back in 5 years when your endocrine system has matured, your growth plates have fused properly, HPTA has developed and matured, and you have a working knowledge of AAS and a solid muscle base....sir.

[gixxerboy1]

i agree with being to young
And no that cycle will not work. You are making more test then that naturally, So you will shut yourself down to inject less. You would be going backwards
otc pct is garbage, always use a real pct

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

1 years ago, I was 138 pd, bench 135 and dead-lift 100. I've been working my mind off every week 4-5 times a week and I've made a big progress with no test. I just wanted to tell you that yes I've been putting time and effort in gym and although I know I can get bigger without them, I would appreciate it if you could answer what I asked.
Thanks again for your response.

[gixxerboy1]

i did answer read my post

[MickeyKnox]

1 years ago, I was 138 pd, bench 135 and dead-lift 100. I've been working my mind off every week 4-5 times a week and I've made a big progress with no test. I just wanted to tell you that yes I've been putting time and effort in gym and although I know I can get bigger without them, I would appreciate it if you could answer what I asked.
Thanks again for your response.

how about you appreciate what advice has been given? seriously, you're too young and skinny - that's the bottom line. no one here wants to be irresposible and hand you information that may lead to serious health problems now or down the road. man up and hit the nutrition section and then work hard in the gym for the next 5 years.

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

Stocky121
Thanks for the response,
I eat 3 eggs, 2 chicken, and milk breakfast, mash potatoes and 4 pieces of chicken breast for 2nd meal, another 6 pieces of chicken breast and vaggies in 3rd, a mass gainer shake about800 calories, and last meal usually change but always over 500 calories

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

how about you appreciate what advice has been given? seriously, you're too young and skinny - that's the bottom line. no one here wants to be irresposible and hand you information that may lead to serious health problems now or down the road. man up and hit the nutrition section and then work hard in the gym for the next 5 years.

Thanks,

[jasc]

i agree with being to young
And no that cycle will not work. You are making more test then that naturally, So you will shut yourself down to inject less. You would be going backwards
otc pct is garbage, always use a real pct

it's all right here bro

this is not opinion or belittling, this is fact... you will suppress your system to supplement less test than you are already making

btw, I like your 2nd meal, but I don't usually count "eating vag" in to my macros

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

That's why I am asking And not fighting, but some people don't get the point. I have a question and looking for an answer, not an advise. I do have friends who are bodybuilders but I wanted to see if I can get answers here before asking them.

[MickeyKnox]

Thanks,

you're welcome.

That's why I am asking And not fighting, but some people don't get the point. I have a question and looking for an answer, not an advise. I do have friends who are bodybuilders but I wanted to see if I can get answers here before asking them.

then go ask your friends. your question has been answered here more than once.

good luck.

[gixxerboy1]

That's why I am asking And not fighting, but some people don't get the point. I have a question and looking for an answer, not an advise. I do have friends who are bodybuilders but I wanted to see if I can get answers here before asking them.

can you not read i answered everything about your cycle and pct

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

I wasn't talking about your response. Yes now I know 50mg is waste of money, I'm reading about it as well and I will not start my cycle until I'm done my research.
Thanks for your response,

[acadmia]

Do yourself a favor and wait. 20 years old is too young to roids.

[stpete]

Welcome...Nutrition Section is where you should start in your research. Post your current there kinda like you did here. But leave out 2 chickens as some people will think you eat 2 whole chickens at a time. Mention amount of protein and carbs per meal. You'll get the hang of it by just checking other peoples posts. This section will benefit you the most.
Once you get a diet and training routine down, you will start to see gains.

Good Luck

[Misery13]

Do yourself a favor and wait. 20 years old is too young to roids.

That's the only answer you need right now.

[t-dogg]

Like everyone has said. You're to young and what you posted for a cycle is horrible from all angles. Research, research, and research my friend.

[cincon123]

I am also 20 years old, I have been training hardcore and eating 6-8 times a day since I was 16. I also wanted to start roids but after talking to these guys, I made the best decision to not take them and keep working hard for at least another 5-7 years then I will prob think about roids again.. Btw I went from 150lbs to 178lbs in 4 years and kept my bf the same(10%). You should really listen what these ppl say. They know what they are talking about..!

[Juice Authority]

50mgs of Test E/wk is just enough to shut down your own natural production and extremely pointless as your age.

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

Yea, after talking and researching I figured... Thanks for your response tho. I'm going to start 125mg/wk for 10 weeks, then start my PCT with Nolvadex for 4 weeks. I will take pics before during and after to see the results, then stop taking them for a while.

[Far from massive]

Wow you really did not get it at all did you? You need to do about 40 hrs of reading, not posting and rethinking. At the end of your 40 hrs of research you will realize how stupid you plan is since all it will do is shut down you natural production of test and maybe increase your test score by 25% during your cycle the slight gains you may make will be more than offset by the loss as your body tries to recover its natural test production.

But by all means go ahead and risk your HPTA system for no reason since it seems learning the hard way is what you are set on.

[Juice Authority]

Wow you really did not get it at all did you? You need to do about 40 hrs of reading, not posting and rethinking. At the end of your 40 hrs of research you will realize how stupid you plan is since all it will do is shut down you natural production of test and maybe increase your test score by 25% during your cycle the slight gains you may make will be more than offset by the loss as your body tries to recover its natural test production.

But by all means go ahead and risk your HPTA system for no reason since it seems learning the hard way is what you are set on.

For some, nothing replaces personal experience. Wise men learn from other people's mistakes. A fool needs to learn from his own mistakes despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. They didn't have forums like this when I was 20yrs old. I wish they did.

[NotConvincedYet]

For some, nothing replaces personal experience. Wise men learn from other people's mistakes. A fool needs to learn from his own mistakes despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary. They didn't have forums like this when I was 20yrs old. I wish they did.

Unfortunately this is the truth. Sometimes lessons are best (and only) learned through experience. Despite forums and wealth of knowledge today, it doesn't pull the blinkers off the ignorant who only look for answers they want to hear. I am constantly amazed how many 20yo's completely miss the point. And I am amused at the fact that people ask for 'only professional advice'. Is that code for just give me the answers I want to hear????

[Aesthetic Anonymous]

I'm not stupid, thanks for the compliment! But please tell me what is the difference if I take it now or after 5 years from now, please answer!
p.s. I'm a pre med student, don't start insulting without knowing who you are talking to, I know what "research" is, I'm not some idiot who just want to look for answers he want to hear.

[JWP806]

pre-med = not a med student. I had a few friends who were "pre-med" at a community college and dropped out. Being a pre-med student and studying the sciences, one would imagine you would have far better researching skills.

[MickeyKnox]

I'm not stupid, yes you are. thanks for the compliment! But please tell me what is the difference if I take it now or after 5 years from now, please answer!
p.s. I'm a pre med student, don't start insulting without knowing who you are talking to, I know what "research" is, I'm not some idiot who just want to look for answers he want to hear. yes you are.

but there's nothing wrong with making an error. what's more important is that you acknowledge it, and then learn from it. you clearly haven't or refuse to. and for a "pre-med" student, your research skills are embarrassing to say the least. most of your answers are contained in this (YOUR) thread.

good luck.

[gixxerboy1]

I'm not stupid, thanks for the compliment! But please tell me what is the difference if I take it now or after 5 years from now, please answer!
p.s. I'm a pre med student, don't start insulting without knowing who you are talking to, I know what "research" is, I'm not some idiot who just want to look for answers he want to hear.

because you body isnt fully developed yet.
Also when you inject hormones you shut you own natural production down. So what the point of shutting it down and just injecting a replacement dose. You are taking a hrt dose. So thats the dose older men take to replace their hormones. What do you expect to gain from that?

[fit2bOld]

To young and 500mg of test sounds like someones leftovers.

Hope your not serious pre med boy.

[Juice Authority]

I'm not stupid, thanks for the compliment! But please tell me what is the difference if I take it now or after 5 years from now, please answer!
p.s. I'm a pre med student, don't start insulting without knowing who you are talking to, I know what "research" is, I'm not some idiot who just want to look for answers he want to hear.

Besides the fact you're at peak testosterone? Either cycle or don't cycle. What you're doing is playing around with hormones with no defined goals or purpose. And this is not a flame either. I did the exact same thing at your age, even younger. I was totally clueless going down to TJ and shooting up in the bathroom at high school. Guess what? I get to pay the price for that now.

[MickeyKnox]

this is what happens when your'e too young and do AAS..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?501347-Bloodwork-results.-Please-help-me!#.T7a8bVJ3k34

[Brohim]

I'm not stupid, thanks for the compliment! But please tell me what is the difference if I take it now or after 5 years from now, please answer!
p.s. I'm a pre med student, don't start insulting without knowing who you are talking to, I know what "research" is, I'm not some idiot who just want to look for answers he want to hear.

Your endrocrine system is still up-regulating hormones hence teenage "raging hormones". Steriods are used for older people who's hormones are down-regulated and their body is not able to convert cholesteral to testosterone at a acceptable rate.

So it would do you no good to inject 100mg into your body. The average healhty male produces 500-1100mg of testosterone each week. If you inject 125mg that would be merely replacing what you are already producing.

Futhermore, if you inject synthetic testosterone, by week 8 or so your body will have shut down your natural production. Your testicles will shrink and now you will have to restart your system when you are done. (PCT) There is no certainty that your system will recover 100%.

So from 18-25 or so you have "natural" steriods coursing through your body. It is the greatest time to live for a young lifter. Focus on diet, training, and rest and you can make great gain's. There is no reason to take synthetic test at this age unless you wanted to compete in heavy weight bodybuilding competition's and live the lifestyle of a bodybuilder. As a pre-med student I'm guessing that isn't the route you are taking.

Nevertheless, these are the fact's, not advise or opinion's. Take these fact's and make your own decision's.

BTW I am natural, started just like you benching 135lbs. at 20yo and eventually gained 55 lbs. and can bench 300lbs. if I wanted to. But I lift for health not a show. I have also never been injured lifting. If you take testosterone by itself it will weaken your ligaments and might cause injury. IE your muscles become big but your tendons become weaker. Unless you stack with something like Anavar.

[MickeyKnox]

Your endrocrine system is still up-regulating hormones hence teenage "raging hormones". Steriods are used for older people who's hormones are down-regulated and their body is not able to convert cholesteral to testosterone at a acceptable rate.

So it would do you no good to inject 100mg into your body. The average healhty male produces 500-1100mg of testosterone each week. If you inject 125mg that would be merely replacing what you are already producing.

Futhermore, if you inject synthetic testosterone, by week 8 or so your body will have shut down your natural production. Your testicles will shrink and now you will have to restart your system when you are done. (PCT) There is no certainty that your system will recover 100%.

So from 18-25 or so you have "natural" steriods coursing through your body. It is the greatest time to live for a young lifter. Focus on diet, training, and rest and you can make great gain's. There is no reason to take synthetic test at this age unless you wanted to compete in heavy weight bodybuilding competition's and live the lifestyle of a bodybuilder. As a pre-med student I'm guessing that isn't the route you are taking.

Nevertheless, these are the fact's, not advise or opinion's. Take these fact's and make your own decision's.

BTW I am natural, started just like you benching 135lbs. at 20yo and eventually gained 55 lbs. and can bench 300lbs. if I wanted to. But I lift for health not a show. I have also never been injured lifting. If you take testosterone by itself it will weaken your ligaments and might cause injury. IE your muscles become big but your tendons become weaker. Unless you stack with something like Anavar.

well written for a youngin'. i agree with everything except the daily production values. i think you've inadvertently confused total test with daily values. average daily value for test in a healthy male is approx 7-11mg/day.

once again great write up

[NotConvincedYet]

Interesting that you deleted your original post. As I remember it showed clear lack of research and knowledge. Are you embarrassed with your post Mr Pre med??

Yeah, I have known doc's and many individuals who went to college and university. Doesn't mean they didn't make stupid decisions. We all do at some point.

Your post no 28 you say you know what research is, but in the same post you also ask what the difference is if you take AAS now or in 5 years? Duh, If you researched you wouldn't be asking this question!

For your own good, stop being a punk, and LISTEN!

[kingsd54]

Use your head!!! Listen to these guys... they're here for a reason. They are here to help ignorant rookies like u and me. You asked for answers because you couldn't or just didn't find them for yourself. Why ask if you have no intention of hearing what these well educated AND experienced guys are telling you? Don't be an idiot and wreck your body before you even get a chance to live your life with it... YOU ARE STILL A KID!!!

[JohnnyVegas]

Yea, after talking and researching I figured... Thanks for your response tho. I'm going to start 125mg/wk for 10 weeks, then start my PCT with Nolvadex for 4 weeks. I will take pics before during and after to see the results, then stop taking them for a while.

I don't want to get caught up in this argument, so I will just add a little info because your health is our primary concern.

The testosterone you take does not add to the amount your body produces. It REPLACES the test your body makes because your body shuts down natural production when your levels get high.

Having said that, 125mg/wk is LESS than my TRT dose which is meant to return me to natural levels because my natural production is low. So, you will be shutting down your own production, possibly putting your health at risk and really not ending up with test levels that are higher than a normal guy. They may not be any higher than you currently have. There will be no benefit.

Gixxer already said that - just reinforcing.

You can argue with everyone else about whether you SHOULD be doing AAS - if you are going to do it, do not do what you have planned. I recommend learning a lot more.

[The Bear 79]

Your endrocrine system is still up-regulating hormones hence teenage "raging hormones". Steriods are used for older people who's hormones are down-regulated and their body is not able to convert cholesteral to testosterone at a acceptable rate.

So it would do you no good to inject 100mg into your body. The average healhty male produces 500-1100mg of testosterone each week. If you inject 125mg that would be merely replacing what you are already producing.

Futhermore, if you inject synthetic testosterone, by week 8 or so your body will have shut down your natural production. Your testicles will shrink and now you will have to restart your system when you are done. (PCT) There is no certainty that your system will recover 100%.

So from 18-25 or so you have "natural" steriods coursing through your body. It is the greatest time to live for a young lifter. Focus on diet, training, and rest and you can make great gain's. There is no reason to take synthetic test at this age unless you wanted to compete in heavy weight bodybuilding competition's and live the lifestyle of a bodybuilder. As a pre-med student I'm guessing that isn't the route you are taking.

Nevertheless, these are the fact's, not advise or opinion's. Take these fact's and make your own decision's.

BTW I am natural, started just like you benching 135lbs. at 20yo and eventually gained 55 lbs. and can bench 300lbs. if I wanted to. But I lift for health not a show. I have also never been injured lifting. If you take testosterone by itself it will weaken your ligaments and might cause injury. IE your muscles become big but your tendons become weaker. Unless you stack with something like Anavar.

Awesome post big guy, hopefully the message will be well received......................but................. .....please don't take offense to the following, necessary correction....................the Endocrine system does not produce hormones / testosterone, the HPTA does.