Front load Prop / End Load

[Gronkowski]

So Iv got 2 10ml vials of Test P at 100/ml and 2 10 ml vials of Test E 250/ml. This is my first cycle, I won't be running it until next year by the looks of it. Just want to get a few suggestions on how to front load / end load with the prop.

Is it even worth worrying running the Test P for my first cycle. Will the gains be worth? I for sure want to use it my last 2 weeks so I can start my PCT sooner after my last injection. But what is the best way to front load it? Ill be doing 500 Test E / wk. I have Aromasin, and will be doing 12.5mg EOD. Still getting my PCT gear.

Any input would be great. Thanks.

[gixxerboy1]

if your going to run it at the beginning and end, why not just use prop for the whole cycle?

[Gronkowski]

Because I don't have enough for an entire cycle, and would like to experience both a short and long ester. Bad idea?

[gixxerboy1]

well if your not doing it to next year thats plenty of time to get more.
your not really experiencing the long ester if your front and back loading.
you would only really need 1 more vial of prop

[Gronkowski]

If I run straight prop I'm going to do 2 8 wk cycles, maybe throw in some oral for the second cycle. The reload Deload method that Ron has a thread on. 100mg Test p EOD sound right?

[Capebuffalo]

Bro your 21. I would not jump on to Ronnie's sligshot cycles. Your body won't recover easily. You shouldn't do any aas at 21 but your going to do what your going to do. No slingshot.

[Gronkowski]

I'll be 22 when I start this cycle. What's wrong with the slingshot? If you have a valid reason id really like hearing it. My Deload will be 2 weeks of PCT and not bridging.

[Gronkowski]

And than of course your regular 4 week at the end of the second cycle.

[gixxerboy1]

I'll be 22 when I start this cycle. What's wrong with the slingshot? If you have a valid reason id really like hearing it. My Deload will be 2 weeks of PCT and not bridging.

you wont recover in 2 weeks. so really you are going to be shut down for a long time. It not a good idea

[Capebuffalo]

[QUOTE=Gronkowski;6044474]I'll be 22 when I start this cycle. What's wrong with the slingshot? If you have a valid reason id really like hearing it. My Deload will be 2 weeks of PCT and not bridging.[/
A 2 week pct deload will do nothing for recovery then your back at full load. Ronnie's deload is to decrease your test to a minimum to keep your body working. You drop most protein and go high reps low weight. Then back to a full test cycle. That's 20 weeks with no break. Your endocrine system is not fully developed or your hpta. You may never recover doing this with a perfect pct. it's a harsh way for the under aged or in experienced. Risk doesn't equal reward for your age. I'm almost 40 married with a child. I have weighed my results. Ask anyone on here a straight test e 12 week cycle isn't recommended at your age. Too much too soon. Crawl before you walk. Or start researching TRT in you 20's

[Gronkowski]

What about 1 6 week cycle of Prop.

[Gronkowski]

Lol everyone on here recommends a 12 week Test E cycle for beginners.

[Capebuffalo]

It's a good solid proven cycle. Over and over. Hell it's a good 2nd and 3rd cycle

[Gronkowski]

Even for a young buck

[Capebuffalo]

Don't put words in my mouth. Speaking as a cycle not recommending it to any on under the age of 25.

[Gronkowski]

K well that doesn't answer my thread question at all.

[Capebuffalo]

Actually you have asked three seperate questions during this thread and each one has been answered.

[Gronkowski]

Your all over the place bud.

[The Bear 79]

Cycling under 25 is an ignorant decision with potentially life altering after effects. That should clear things up for you.............."bud".

[Gronkowski]

Cycling under 25 is an ignorant decision with potentially life altering after effects. That should clear things up for you.............."bud".

You guys make me LOL. You guys remind me of my boss when I Started my first job post college out at a Sour Gas Plant. He pretty much said ' You will ****ing die if you don't know what your touching '. It was some what true but not really. He was just trying to scare us. A year and a half later I'm still alive. I don't know if you guys are saying this stuff just to scare us and make sure we do our research before we jump into something we are not ready for. Which I am perfectly fine with. But I really dislike when you guys won't help out a 23, 24 old that is in great shape, knows how to train and eat properly, but you'll give advice to the 35 yr old who can't run 10 mins on the treadmill and do 20 body weigh pushups and is 20 + BF. 'Bud'....

[The Bear 79]

Show where anyone here has given cycle advice to man you just described...............

[Gronkowski]

Show where anyone here has given cycle advice to man you just described...............

Use the search engine there Bear..... Just kidding. Ha it's out there. You get my point.

[The Bear 79]

That's what I thought...............you better learn to carefully select every word you speak, its not hard to put your foot in your mouth around here.

[gixxerboy1]

OP didnt you have a real hard time last year recovering from a cycle or ph's?

[The Bear 79]

I remember that Gixx, but I think you're talking about Granovich.

[Capebuffalo]

Wow what a difference a month makes

04-30-2012, 08:06 PM #45 Gronkowski
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I was going to do roids at my age, but thankfully I joined this forum and have learned about the risks and experiences and knowledge needed to even consider running a cycle . I thank the vets for looking out for my safety, there not trying to be dicks like everyone thinks. Well some can be sometimes lol but either way it's for the best.

[gixxerboy1]

I remember that Gixx, but I think you're talking about Granovich.

your right

[Gronkowski]

OP didnt you have a real hard time last year recovering from a cycle or ph's?

No but good try.

[Gronkowski]

Wow what a difference a month makes

04-30-2012, 08:06 PM #45 Gronkowski
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I was going to do roids at my age, but thankfully I joined this forum and have learned about the risks and experiences and knowledge needed to even consider running a cycle . I thank the vets for looking out for my safety, there not trying to be dicks like everyone thinks. Well some can be sometimes lol but either way it's for the best.

What's a good starting tren dose bud?

[Gronkowski]

That's what I thought...............you better learn to carefully select every word you speak, its not hard to put your foot in your mouth around here.

Easy there.

[gixxerboy1]

No but good try.

good try? I asked a legitimate question. And i agree i was wrong but your names are similar. So what was i trying?
Your response just shows your lack of maturity. good luck cause im done trying to offer help now

[spoon69]

Man you better get smarter and less prideful fast when it comes to this stuff or you will end up being that 35 year old out of shape because you ruined yourself improperly taking aas !!!! These guys have been doing and studying this stuff for years bro and they know there stuff! And from what i see they are taking it easy on you right now. when i got on here I thought i knew everything had a couple bad back and forth convos lol one with bear actually but when i realized how stupid i was these guys really helped me to do things the right way and Im seeing great results . listen learn be patient .

[Gronkowski]

good try? I asked a legitimate question. And i agree i was wrong but your names are similar. So what was i trying?
Your response just shows your lack of maturity. good luck cause im done trying to offer help now

Don't even, we both know your more intelligent than that.

[Gronkowski]

Man you better get smarter and less prideful fast when it comes to this stuff or you will end up being that 35 year old out of shape because you ruined yourself improperly taking aas !!!! These guys have been doing and studying this stuff for years bro and they know there stuff! And from what i see they are taking it easy on you right now. when i got on here I thought i knew everything had a couple bad back and forth convos lol one with bear actually but when i realized how stupid i was these guys really helped me to do things the right way and Im seeing great results . listen learn be patient .

I totally agree with you, lots do know there stuff and have actually researched / experienced what they preach. Then there's the other guys who just jump on the band wagon which pisses me off.

[Capebuffalo]

Man. You have only had 3 people respond to this thread. What bandwagon did we jump on? And which one of us doesn't practice what we preach?

[spoon69]

Really i would love to know who you are referring to as well because all three people with experience on your thread are very educated and I've gotten sound advice from everyone of them. you have some great people trying to help you right now and you don't even realize it. Your body and your life are nothing to mess with!

[Gronkowski]

Boys, it's been a slice, but I'm off to Costco.

[acadmia]

just do Test E at 500 mg per week.

[Turkish Juicer]

OP, you can go ahead and run any cycle of your choice but remember your body is still producing plenty of naturally occurring anabolic hormones which will somewhat start to decline at around age 25. This is no bro-science, basic scientific information regarding male endocrine system and you can go ahead and double check this info with any specialist in the medical field. When it comes to why the knowledgeable members and vets will not give cycle advice to youngsters like yourself is that we are well aware your endocrine system is still developing, meaning that a significant interruption from outside (such as AAS use) will do more harm to a still developing endocrine system as opposed to a one that has already been fully developed. This also means recovery will be harder, in some cases impossible, leading to TRT as an inevitable consequence at rather young age. Moreover, risks usually do not exceed benefits unless you are are competing BB, either on an amateur or pro level, you will eventually face increased amount of drug and food bills, not to mention being scammed by your source down this road is always a likely thing to happen. Lastly, even if you were to go ahead and cycle at a young age, you may end up bigger than what you are at the moment, but the guys who have been working out for longer will always present a more charming package with dense, thick muscle that clearly shows off all the years of dedicated training. In the last result, this is a wagon you need to think about several times before jumping on, as there is no other feeling like regret/remorse in life.

[Gronkowski]

OP, you can go ahead and run any cycle of your choice but remember your body is still producing plenty of naturally occurring anabolic hormones which will somewhat start to decline at around age 25. This is no bro-science, basic scientific information regarding male endocrine system and you can go ahead and double check this info with any specialist in the medical field. When it comes to why the knowledgeable members and vets will not give cycle advice to youngsters like yourself is that we are well aware your endocrine system is still developing, meaning that a significant interruption from outside (such as AAS use) will do more harm to a still developing endocrine system as opposed to a one that has already been fully developed. This also means recovery will be harder, in some cases impossible, leading to TRT as an inevitable consequence at rather young age. Moreover, risks usually do not exceed benefits unless you are are competing BB, either on an amateur or pro level, you will eventually face increased amount of drug and food bills, not to mention being scammed by your source down this road is always a likely thing to happen. Lastly, even if you were to go ahead and cycle at a young age, you may end up bigger than what you are at the moment, but the guys who have been working out for longer will always present a more charming package with dense, thick muscle that clearly shows off all the years of dedicated training. In the last result, this is a wagon you need to think about several times before jumping on, as there is no other feeling like regret/remorse in life.

Thanks TJ. You should write a book.