first cycle - hcg?

[gonnagethuge]

Researching how to successfully plan a first cycle and notice almost everyone recommends a test only cycle. I was wondering should hcg be added along with this cycle? Or does test only mean test only with the exception of an ai and pct.

Also if hcg should be added. Is it best to run throughout or run over a short oeriod leading up to pct?

[Capebuffalo]

What are your stats? Yes h g should be run 250 mcg 2 x a week during cycle. Also run adex @.25 mg eod adjust as needed. What is your cycle plan? Pct plan?

[gonnagethuge]

What are your stats? Yes h g should be run 250 mcg 2 x a week during
cycle. Also run adex @.25 mg eod adjust as needed.What is your cycle plan? Pct plan?

Not ready to cycle yet. Just researching and planning things and learning more all the time.

As of now i have it at:

1-12 : 500mg test e (2x250)
1-14 : 12.5mg aromasin eod (or adjust, worth noting i have puffy nips despite being lean)

15-18: clomid 100/100/50/50 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

So would it be okay to add hcg at 250iu x2 per week? What week? weeks 1-14?

[Capebuffalo]

3-12 imo

[gonnagethuge]

3-12 imo

is it standard to stop at the time of the las test shot?

Also no need for higher dosages? Or is this only when it hasn't been ran on cycle?

Is hcg on cycle definitely suited to a first time cycle?

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

I personally think HCG is the top dog on the priority list of PCT. If you can get it you might as well...

[Buster Brown]

I was advised to start my Hcg during the second week on cycle and run 250 iu's twice a week right up until 4 days prior to the the start of Pct. I am running a tes c only cycle and the whole idea is that you preserve your balls and yes they will shrink a bit in a first time cycle if you don't use Hcg. Reason being that your testes aren't producing so they will get smaller. Why not maintain them so when you come off cycle, you have an easier (less loss) time recovering.

[Capebuffalo]

Run it til last pin. Hcg helps with testicular atrophy. Makes recovery a lot easier.

[gonnagethuge]

Johnny how do you mean pct? Wokdnt pct in this case be weeks 15-18 in which hcg would nt be used? Or do you just mean that it helps with overall recovery during pct if i run it throughout cycle?

Cape - thanks man. So weeks 13-14 will be ai only while the teat cleara out?
also why does it stop along with the last shot of test? Ive seen a few protocoals where its run over thos two week period. Is it a case of 'one or the other'?

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Overall recovery when you do start PCT. You can also incorporate HCG into your PCT if you're not using it throughout your cycle.

[Capebuffalo]

Sorry just noticed typo in first post
Recap – For optimal preservation of testicular function during cycle, use 250 mcg 2 x a week after 3 weeks of test e. Drop the hCG a week before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG a week after your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG a week before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even drop in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, making for a seamless recovery.

[gonnagethuge]

Sorry just noticed typo in first post
Recap – For optimal preservation of testicular function during cycle, use 250 mcg 2 x a week after 3 weeks of test e. Drop the hCG a week before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG a week after your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG a week before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even drop in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, making for a seamless recovery.

Can i ask why it's after 3 weeks of test e?

Also i would be dropping the hcg in week 13 then? this is halfway through the clearance period before commencement of pct yes?

[AD]

Sorry just noticed typo in first post
Recap – For optimal preservation of testicular function during cycle, use 250 mcg 2 x a week after 3 weeks of test e. Drop the hCG a week before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG a week after your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG a week before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even drop in hormone levels, while initiating LH and FSH production from the pituitary, making for a seamless recovery.

is 250mcg the same as 250iu?

[gonnagethuge]

is 250mcg the same as 250iu?

Yeah i thought this was just a typo lol.

So is the third week the right week to start?

And a week before pct correct time to stop?

[leewil1]

Yeah i thought this was just a typo lol.

So is the third week the right week to start?

And a week before pct correct time to stop?

Id start it as soon as you start youre cycle. I planned to start it 2 weeks after starting my 1st test e cycle and mine had already shrunk in the 2nd week, feel like a freak with little nads and my misses finds it very amusing

[gonnagethuge]

Id start it as soon as you start youre cycle. I planned to start it 2 weeks after starting my 1st test e cycle and mine had already shrunk in the 2nd week, feel like a freak with little nads and my misses finds it very amusing

LOL. Did you get them back quick enough?

Can anyone clarify when hcg should be stopped exactly? I see a few different answers floating around
I'm thinkin of just running it from the start of test e cycle all the way through and stop right before pct of nolva/clomid. 250 ius x2 per week

[Capebuffalo]

is 250mcg the same as 250iu?

No mcg is the weight. Iu is a liquid measurement. Depending on how youmix your hcg will yield different iu's of usage. Simply put you. An mix it stronger or weaker depending on how muc bac water you add.

[gonnagethuge]

No mcg is the weight. Iu is a liquid measurement. Depending on how youmix your hcg will yield different iu's of usage. Simply put you. An mix it stronger or weaker depending on how muc bac water you add.

I was under the impression that when bought in powdered form its still labelled 5000iu and then dissolved in say 2ml per bac to make 2500iu per ml.

[Capebuffalo]

Try this. And thank Flacco

http://www.hcgloss.com/HCG-Phase-2-V...culations.html

[AD]

I was under the impression that when bought in powdered form its still labelled 5000iu and then dissolved in say 2ml per bac to make 2500iu per ml.

thats correct. with a slin pin that says 1ml, you can draw and shoot 0.1ml for 250iu.

i start my hcg on day1 of my cycle and stop 3-4days before pct. this means the 2wks wait after the test e or c cycle is included for hcg pinning. it takes 3 days for the effects of hcg to wear off, then i start pct without anymore interference from hcg.

[Capebuffalo]

thats correct. with a slin pin that says 1ml, you can draw and shoot 0.1ml for 250iu.

i start my hcg on day1 of my cycle and stop 3-4days before pct. this means the 2wks wait after the test e or c cycle is included for hcg pinning. it takes 3 days for the effects of hcg to wear off, then i start pct without anymore interference from hcg.

An insulin pin is measured in units, not IU's. IU refers to a dose of a drug, and it is independent of volume. An IU of insulin is the same thing as 1 tick on a slin pin, or 1 unit, or 1/100 of a ml. However, when reconstituting GH, people generally use 1ml of BW per 10iu's of GH, therefore 1 IU of GH will be 10 units. It gets even more complicated with IGF, as IGF is not in any way measured in IU's, you buy IGF by the mg, which is 1000mcg. Generally speaking, you use 1ml of BW per 1000mcg, so every 10 units on a slin pin will be 100mcg of IGF.

[AD]

regardless of what you put in the slin pin, it is most important to know what volume you are shooting. if the slin pin is 1ml and you pin 1/10 of it in volume, thats 0.1ml of your compound.

when op disolve 5000iu of hcg in 2ml of bac water, there is 2500iu in 1ml. so you use a 1ml slin pin, draw out 1/10 of the markings only, which will equal 0.1ml. since 1ml contains 2500iu, 0.1ml contain 250iu.

[Capebuffalo]

regardless of what you put in the slin pin, it is most important to know what volume you are shooting. if the slin pin is 1ml and you pin 1/10 of it in volume, thats 0.1ml of your compound.

when op disolve 5000iu of hcg in 2ml of bac water, there is 2500iu in 1ml. so you use a 1ml slin pin, draw out 1/10 of the markings only, which will equal 0.1ml. since 1ml contains 2500iu, 0.1ml contain 250iu.

You are correct. You are one of few who don't complicate the reconstitution. " I put 3.25 cc in. Now how do I figure 250 mcgs? How many iu's it's that. Huh"

[gonnagethuge]

Thanks for all the help guys. Much clearer.

Can anyone tell me what days to pin hcg? Just the same days as the 2 weekly test injections?