first day of clen (first hour)

[mwilkinson]

just finished 8 weeks of tren a for my first time and still running test p. started clen from arr today. only did 40mgs and i'm jittery as a crack head thats been smoking rocks for a week straight with pcp and only drinking red bull. def got a little bit of sweat and body temp up so from what i've read it's working. my question is, as i up my dosage will this get worse or will my body adjust. i really don't mind it now, it's just a new experience i guess. completely tolerable now but not sure when i raise it at a consistant 80mg.

anyone have some experiences they want to share?

i'm planning on running it for 4-6 weeks through pct to help with gain retention with keto.

thanks

[jpowell]

i think this is an improper setup!

40 mgs or mcgs? there is a big difference!

also a lot of bros will strongly discourage clen during pct--as you don't wana lose wat you just gained.

2 on 2 off is how you should run, for however long. i did 3 cycles of that. (6 wks total)

wen i first got my stuff--my guy told me to hit 60 2x daily, off top--man i felt exactly like you felt--the rush was cool tho. that was 120mcgs tho. i could literally feel it when i took my morn dose- but not night as i went to bed.

also drink lots of water, get potassium and other sups to prevent the pumps. I use to get mine in bottom of my feet. the arch--them ma****ers hurt like hell.

[mwilkinson]

my bad. so habititual to put mg. def mcgs. yeah, i've read different threads and most of them were pro during pct to help with keeping muscle during pct. i'm taking additional taurine and regular bcaas. already on my second bottle of water today. so you're saying you're not for during pct? it's crazy how you can see the difference in people's opinion on the subject.

[jpowell]

my bad. so habititual to put mg. def mcgs. yeah, i've read different threads and most of them were pro during pct to help with keeping muscle during pct. i'm taking additional taurine and regular bcaas. already on my second bottle of water today. so you're saying you're not for during pct? it's crazy how you can see the difference in people's opinion on the subject.

yes a lot of different opions on the same subjects even if somebody had a successful cycle. i personally nvr tried clen during pct--i was told not to for the reason given by members here and my trainer.

id do 2+ gals of water! gotta force that shit down.

[mwilkinson]

no doubt. from what i've been reading is that i just do the clen without the t3 (the t3 is catabolic) and i could do 2 on and 2 off or just stay on with keto with no breaks in between. i'll do more research. i'm at 204 and my bf is around 13. my goal for this cycle was 205 at 10% bf. i was a little under where i wanted to be when i started clen. i wanted to be 208-210 but i'm thinking if i just eat as clean as i have been and don't increase my cardio and maybe up my protien intake i should be able to stay above 200 with 10%

[jpowell]

Yes u are grasping and doing homework i c.

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[havehotasianwife]

i think this is an improper setup!

40 mgs or mcgs? there is a big difference!

also a lot of bros will strongly discourage clen during pct--as you don't wana lose wat you just gained.

2 on 2 off is how you should run, for however long. i did 3 cycles of that. (6 wks total)

wen i first got my stuff--my guy told me to hit 60 2x daily, off top--man i felt exactly like you felt--the rush was cool tho. that was 120mcgs tho. i could literally feel it when i took my morn dose- but not night as i went to bed.

also drink lots of water, get potassium and other sups to prevent the pumps. I use to get mine in bottom of my feet. the arch--them ma****ers hurt like hell.

for me, anything past 120mcg's would cause strong chest pains about 3/4 way through the day.. the happiest day of my cut was the 2nd day after my clen/t3 stopped and the discomfort went away... from 40-100mcg i had no pain.

I agree though too,,, dont start clen during pct.. with pct you should UP your macro calories to retain more of your gains. (advice from the PCT section in this forum)

[Papiriqui]

Clen has different effects on everyone, sides should go away after 4-5 days. I ended my first 2 weeks at 120mcg and didnt even taper off because i dont need it. After the first week i didnt even feel the Clen on me, high tolerance to everything i guess!!!

Just up the dosage if you can stand the sides or stay at that for couple days and up as you go...

[Noles12]

Clen makes me extremely jittery and I cramp easily. I have to ramp up slowly starting at 20 mcg then going up 20mcg per day until I reach a dose Im happy with.

[evander87]

I agree though too,,, dont start clen during pct.. with pct you should UP your macro calories to retain more of your gains. (advice from the PCT section in this forum)

Well jeeze I got advice to run clen during PCT from members here. They say up your calories post cycle and take the clen to avoid gaining fat and because of it's anti-catabolic properties you will keep your cycle gains while your body gets it's natural test production back.

[Noles12]

i think this is an improper setup!

40 mgs or mcgs? there is a big difference!

also a lot of bros will strongly discourage clen during pct--as you don't wana lose wat you just gained.

2 on 2 off is how you should run, for however long. i did 3 cycles of that. (6 wks total)

wen i first got my stuff--my guy told me to hit 60 2x daily, off top--man i felt exactly like you felt--the rush was cool tho. that was 120mcgs tho. i could literally feel it when i took my morn dose- but not night as i went to bed.

also drink lots of water, get potassium and other sups to prevent the pumps. I use to get mine in bottom of my feet. the arch--them ma****ers hurt like hell.

Clen is not catabolic. Many run it during PCT to continue with weight loss or weight management as an extrem calorie deficit is not desirable during PCT

[havehotasianwife]

Clen has different effects on everyone, sides should go away after 4-5 days. I ended my first 2 weeks at 120mcg and didnt even taper off because i dont need it. After the first week i didnt even feel the Clen on me, high tolerance to everything i guess!!!

Just up the dosage if you can stand the sides or stay at that for couple days and up as you go...

after the first couple days i couldnt feel it anymore either,, and then on on the off weeks where i was just taking t3 and then come back to clen the next cycle week i could SOMEWHAT feel it but nothing like the first dose even though each week the subsequent doses were slightly higher

[havehotasianwife]

Well jeeze I got advice to run clen during PCT from members here. They say up your calories post cycle and take the clen to avoid gaining fat and because of it's anti-catabolic properties you will keep your cycle gains while your body gets it's natural test production back.

I assumed that since you were on clen you were cutting, and thus reducing your calories.. but since i read that your not, more power to you.. good thing too cause i was like "what? he just got great results and now is going immedietly on a cut,,, wtf?" how were your results by the way of your cycle?

[evander87]

Up 20lbs.

I "think", no way of knowing for sure, that my body fat went down. Veins and striations have shown up on my chest and shoulders.

I wasn't on clen during my cycle. but will be adding it with an increase in calories during PCT which starts Sunday.

[havehotasianwife]

Do you have any pics anywhere?

[evander87]

Shitty phone camera doesn't show the details, veins, striations etc but here ya go

[havehotasianwife]

good work man

[rampaige77]

i think this is an improper setup!

40 mgs or mcgs? there is a big difference!

also a lot of bros will strongly discourage clen during pct--as you don't wana lose wat you just gained.

2 on 2 off is how you should run, for however long. i did 3 cycles of that. (6 wks total)

wen i first got my stuff--my guy told me to hit 60 2x daily, off top--man i felt exactly like you felt--the rush was cool tho. that was 120mcgs tho. i could literally feel it when i took my morn dose- but not night as i went to bed.

also drink lots of water, get potassium and other sups to prevent the pumps. I use to get mine in bottom of my feet. the arch--them ma****ers hurt like hell.

2 on 2 off? im on it right now im at my 120mcg a day i tapered up in incraments of 20 mcg i took years ago n ran straight through is this a effective method as well? i swear i read on here take straight through but my old anabolics 2004 says 2on2off i believe whats more effective & after 2 off can i just jump back in at 120mcg??

[DanB]

just finished 8 weeks of tren a for my first time and still running test p. started clen from arr today. only did 40mgs and i'm jittery as a crack head thats been smoking rocks for a week straight with pcp and only drinking red bull. def got a little bit of sweat and body temp up so from what i've read it's working. my question is, as i up my dosage will this get worse or will my body adjust. i really don't mind it now, it's just a new experience i guess. completely tolerable now but not sure when i raise it at a consistant 80mg.

anyone have some experiences they want to share?

i'm planning on running it for 4-6 weeks through pct to help with gain retention with keto.

thanks

just to be sure, you took 40mcg so 0.2ml?

its a common thing for people to get the dosing slightly off the first time around which would explain the sides as 40mcg is pretty low to experience that i.m.o and i.m.e

[jpowell]

2 on 2 off? im on it right now im at my 120mcg a day i tapered up in incraments of 20 mcg i took years ago n ran straight through is this a effective method as well? i swear i read on here take straight through but my old anabolics 2004 says 2on2off i believe whats more effective & after 2 off can i just jump back in at 120mcg??

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[jpowell]

2 on 2 off? im on it right now im at my 120mcg a day i tapered up in incraments of 20 mcg i took years ago n ran straight through is this a effective method as well? i swear i read on here take straight through but my old anabolics 2004 says 2on2off i believe whats more effective & after 2 off can i just jump back in at 120mcg??

Wat i used to do was the 120mcg for 2wks n my off weeks i used eca stack. Then went bak on at 2 wks. U stop b/c u adapt to it. some rec if u go strate thru use another supp to keep receptors fresh.

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[rampaige77]

that makes sence ill try that ,thanks

[mwilkinson]

just to be sure, you took 40mcg so 0.2ml?

its a common thing for people to get the dosing slightly off the first time around which would explain the sides as 40mcg is pretty low to experience that i.m.o and i.m.e

yeah, exactly correct 40mcg at .2ml

[JohnnyVegas]

Wat i used to do was the 120mcg for 2wks n my off weeks i used eca stack. Then went bak on at 2 wks. U stop b/c u adapt to it. some rec if u go strate thru use another supp to keep receptors fresh.

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Using ECA stack during Clen breaks doesn't allow your Beta2 receptors to recover so it is defeating the purpose of taking two weeks off.

[jpowell]

Using ECA stack during Clen breaks doesn't allow your Beta2 receptors to recover so it is defeating the purpose of taking two weeks off.

yes it does. this is specifically why you use bronkaid i was told. some use benedryl or something from ar-r.
it clears ya--or opens everything back up. this is wrong?

[h2o]

Iv also read running clen thru pct is not a wise choice in saying that when would be the best time to run it before or after a test e cycle?