Test recovery vs var recovery

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Gains aside Is it harder to recover natural test if u get partial shutdown from say 10 weeks of var than if u get fully shut down from 12weeks test???
Or is it just about that the gains are minor and not worth it???
Is var at say 60 mgs ed vs 500 ew test more harmfull to ur body and naturall system on the long term ???

I had an amazing experience with 10 week var for a first cycle...

[t-dogg]

When you ran anavar for that long did you have any sides? What were your results? I will be running 6wks at 60mgs at the end of this cycle. Running sust right now.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

When you ran anavar for that long did you have any sides? What were your results? I will be running 6wks at 60mgs at the end of this cycle. Running sust right now.

I went from 70 kg ~15% bf to 75 kg ~10%bf but I was training natty for more than 10 years...
No sides at all not even a pimple my testicles got slitely softer around week 8 but hardened imediatelly after my first day of pct kept all of it

Started var solo again 10 days ago @60 Ed and up 2lbs of mass with a drop in bf already.

[t-dogg]

I went from 70 kg ~15% bf to 75 kg ~10%bf but I was training natty for more than 10 years...
No sides at all not even a pimple my testicles got slitely softer around week 8 but hardened imediatelly after my first day of pct kept all of it

Started var solo again 10 days ago @60 Ed and up 2lbs of mass with a drop in bf already.

Cool, i hope my results are good like that.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Ok guys main question anyone???

[jpowell]

shut down is shut down.

[Turkish Juicer]

^^^ This.

Doesn't matter what compound shut down your HTPA, sides will differ but a shut down is a shut down.

[Brohim]

I disagree, there are varying level's of shutdown

500mg of test will shut you down more than 200mg of test

Tren will shut you down harder than Test

Deca will shut you down harder than Test

Var done at 60mg for 8 weeks will be less shutdown than Test C 400mg same duration

[Noles12]

shut down is shut down.

I do not completely agree.

Though I feel Anavar does suppress natural testosterone, unlike the belief of many that it has no effect.

But I have seen the bloodwork of those on Anavar only cycles and it shows there is not complete shutdown of the testes. There is a decrease but I do not feel it completely shuts you down

[Brohim]

Gains aside Is it harder to recover natural test if u get partial shutdown from say 10 weeks of var than if u get fully shut down from 12weeks test???
Or is it just about that the gains are minor and not worth it???
Is var at say 60 mgs ed vs 500 ew test more harmfull to ur body and naturall system on the long term ???

I had an amazing experience with 10 week var for a first cycle...

Different compounds shutdown the HPTA in different way's. There is no denying this. Do a cycle of Test/Tren for 10 weeks or Test/Deca for 10 weeks and do a cycle of Var only for 10 weeks and let me know which cycle you recover faster from. The answer will be Var.

I would venture to say that 500mg Test for 10 weeks and Var cycle for 10 weeks the Test only cycle would be harsher.

[jpowell]

In the big pucture it dosent suffice to say hey lets take var as it only 60% shuts u down bs taken test that 99.9% shuts u down. Not saying woch ull reciver from faster, but the fact is they will both shut ur production down or suppress.

Shut down =shut down
As well as
Suppression=suppression.

Theres no half assin'

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[Turkish Juicer]

Brohim & Noles: I agree with your comments, however, you need to come clean with the term ''shut down.''

If you are shut down, then you are shut down.

If there is an X amount of suppression, then there is an X amount of suppression.

... and yes, 80mg Anavar ED for 8 weeks is more likely to cause an X amount of suppression as opposed to a shut down one will most likely experience from the use of Deca or Tren for the same time frame and similar dosing, hence recovery will be harder and it will take longer.

[Boxtrot]

OP. I think suppression and shutdown has been covered for you, but looking at the bigger picture, var will ultimately have a more adverse effect on your liver than it will on your natural test. Something for you to think about.

Also when you did your first var cycle, how long did it take and how much did ur weight change after PCT?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

OP. I think suppression and shutdown has been covered for you, but looking at the bigger picture, var will ultimately have a more adverse effect on your liver than it will on your natural test. Something for you to think about.

Also when you did your first var cycle, how long did it take and how much did ur weight change after PCT?

I went from from 72kg@15%bf to 76kg@10%bf (zero sides) 8 weeks post pct I was 78kg@15% bf naturally
Ithen took a 12w 75prop Ed and jumped to 86 kg @ 14%bf (moon face bloat minor acne were minorl sides but un acceptable for my lifestyle)
but I was also on hgh that whole time 4 iu Ed on var and up until 8 iu with the test p.
I kept 83 kg but bf went gradually over the 4 month till last march to 18% after stopping hgh pct everything till 2 month ago i think i over ate cause i was desperate to keep my weight
when I started cutting I lost a lot of mass
Am i my second week of var 60 mg ed now I'm 77@13%bf no sides till now...
So basically I almost kept all var gains while I lost the prop gains (maybe I was getting further away from my max gp so it's harder to keep the gains)
I like my weight now and I think my body is comfortable with it I will try to add like a ill bit of tissue each year with one tiny cycle
To reach 77@8% on the short term and long term 80kg@8% on the long term goal!!!

[Boxtrot]

I went from from 72kg@15%bf to 76kg@10%bf (zero sides) 8 weeks post pct I was 78kg@15% bf naturally
Ithen took a 12w 75prop Ed and jumped to 86 kg @ 14%bf (moon face bloat minor acne were minorl sides but un acceptable for my lifestyle)
but I was also on hgh that whole time 4 iu Ed on var and up until 8 iu with the test p.
I kept 83 kg but bf went gradually over the 4 month till last march to 18% after stopping hgh pct everything till 2 month ago i think i over ate cause i was desperate to keep my weight
when I started cutting I lost a lot of mass
Am i my second week of var 60 mg ed now I'm 77@13%bf no sides till now...
So basically I almost kept all var gains while I lost the prop gains (maybe I was getting further away from my max gp so it's harder to keep the gains)
I like my weight now and I think my body is comfortable with it I will try to add like a ill bit of tissue each year with one tiny cycle
To reach 77@8% on the short term and long term 80kg@8% on the long term goal!!!

Hmm sounds like the var initially had astounding results! i would be home free if i went from 72 13% to 76 10% which seems to be realistic in comparison!

The rest of your results are a bit confusing though as u said u were on HGH the whole time and u gained the bodyfat back with ur prop cycle afterwards, which i cant say 100% was totally to do with your diet given the HGH and the fact that u were 15% previous to the var. Seems like u didnt maintain, or possibly learn how to maintain the gains and body fat loss from the initial var cycle, i dont know.

Seems like a 8 week var cycle opposed to the 6 week i was going to do is more suited to me and is worth doing given i dont gain fat as easily as you do in fact i dont seem to gain more than a pound or 2 of fat on a 3+ months bulk meaning the body fat i could lose would remain and not recoil on me.

Either way u appear to be well away from your initial composition and ur new goals dont seem that distant right now!

[swm1972]

Individual results may vary I guess. I had probably just as good maybe slightly better gains from var but I ran it with primo and test too. The metric system to English conversions make your gains difficult to compare.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Hmm sounds like the var initially had astounding results! i would be home free if i went from 72 13% to 76 10% which seems to be realistic in comparison!

The rest of your results are a bit confusing though as u said u were on HGH the whole time and u gained the bodyfat back with ur prop cycle afterwards, which i cant say 100% was totally to do with your diet given the HGH and the fact that u were 15% previous to the var. Seems like u didnt maintain, or possibly learn how to maintain the gains and body fat loss from the initial var cycle, i dont know.

Seems like a 8 week var cycle opposed to the 6 week i was going to do is more suited to me and is worth doing given i dont gain fat as easily as you do in fact i dont seem to gain more than a pound or 2 of fat on a 3+ months bulk meaning the body fat i could lose would remain and not recoil on me.

Either way u appear to be well away from your initial composition and ur new goals dont seem that distant right now!

From ur join date and age on profile I think ur 25 when I was 25 I didn't know how to gain fat and around the age of 30 it started getting really easy to gain fat now I gain fat every in calculated meal.

[Boxtrot]

From ur join date and age on profile I think ur 25 when I was 25 I didn't know how to gain fat and around the age of 30 it started getting really easy to gain fat now I gain fat every in calculated meal.

Yeh i really didnt know just speculating. Owell you got experience under your belt im just trying to learn from everyone elses experience, getting closer to having the perfect plan i think. Keep at it man im basically in the same boat as you.