First cycle, going to be used to hold muscle while cutting.

[fatman225]

Some background info:

Age: 33

height: 5'8"

Weight: 225

Bodyfat: 19%

I've been a musclehead my whole life. Always loved being in the gym, training, but have always maintained relatively high bodyfat. My issue with cutting in the past was always being afraid to lose muscle. Basic Obssesive compulsive eating, due to the false belief in "needing" so many calories to hold muscle.

When I was younger I managed to stay a rather lean 185, but it took running 5 miles eod, while in the Army, to keep it down.

These days I have two crushed discs in my back, and two bad knees, and so high intensity cardio is out, and I've allowed myself to get pretty ****ing fat.

None the less I stayed consistent about weights, and I am very careful with both lower back and leg work.

I'm somewhere between Mesomorph and Endomorph genetics, and the ocd eating got me all the way up to 250 pounds, and I don't even want to know how much bodyfat.

Recently I've lost 25 pounds, mostly fat, by learning about a program called eat stop eat, sort of a revolutionary diet approach, and its worked for me well so far.

I also have added 30 minutes of cardio daily, and am working up to 60.

The goal is to get down to 8% bodyfat, and look and feel good again, and then stick with the new eating habbits to help keep it off, as well as possibly gain some muscle.

The primary purpose is for keeping muscle while cutting. I'm pretty sure I got a decent amount of muscle for a non-bodybuilder. The concern is keeping it while shedding the next 25 pounds of fat.

So, I've been researching AAS for over a year now, talked it over with my wife etc...

We are a go.

My first cycle, based on what is available to me, is 20 weeks 600mg EW of Test cyp, with 50mg proviron ED as well, and Arimidex on hand, as a precausion in case I start getting tender nips. If that starts I will start with 0.5mg E3D of the Arimidex, but will not use unless starting to see E2 sides, which I hope will not be there due to the proviron.

Pct will be clomid 50mg ED for 30 days. I will not be using HCG, as I feel that 20 weeks, is in effect more like 16 due to the amount of time it will take the test to even shut my down, and I think that is not nearly so long as to cause perma shut down.

In short:

Week 1-20: 600mg test cyp (split into 300mg 2x EW0
Week 1-20: Proviron 50mg ED (taken 1x in morning)
Week 21-25: Clomid 50mg ED
Week 26: 0.25mg Arimidex on monday and again on thursday (to help prevent sudden E2 rebound that can build up after the clomid)

Then off.

Will be doing a lot of cardio, and sticking to eat stop eat plan, training hard in the gym etc...

I'd prefer to keep it simple, and so not going to use Deca or EQ on first cycle. Var and Winny was not available, but proviron and test cyp were. Will also not be using T3 as I'm scared of perma thyroid shut down, due to family history of thyroid issues. I'd rather just suffer off the fat and use the AAS to hold the muscle.

This sound like a decent plan?

[kelkel]

First. Congrats on what you've accomplished so far! Not easy to do. A few thoughts:

Get your BF below 15% before you consider AAS (visit nutrition forum-great help there)
Get complete blood work done now so you have baselines to fall back on.
12 weeks. Not 20 weeks. More is not better at this point.
You don't need 600mg T for 1st cycle in my opinion. 400 be just fine, IMO.
First cycle should be nothing other than Test. Others here will chime in.
HCG should be run during cycle @ 250 IU x 2 or 3 per week.
AI should be run throughout cycle. .25 eod good. Adjust from there. App. 46 hr half-life.
Read this: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto
PCT should be Clomid/Nolva and should start app 14 days after last injection for test only cycle. Hit the PCT forums.

Welcome to the forum. Keep reading the stickies and you will learn a lot. A ton of knowledge and experience floating around here. Let us know what you ultimately decide.

[PowerHouse1900]

Is eat stop eat similar to leangains or intermittent fasting?

[fatman225]

Testosterone: 769 on a 300-1200 scale.
Free T: 86 on a 40 to 160 scale.
E2: 32 on a 0-44 male range.

I was told these were good for 33 years old.

Is eat stop eat similar to leangains or intermittent fasting?

Intermittent fasting.

Its so far the ONLY type of eating that has worked for me. By allowing to eat a 900-1200 cal meal I actually get to "feel" full, where the traditional tiny little meals cutting diet just killed my will to live after only a few days.

[fatman225]

Wanted to give more detailed reply, but spam filter is raping my post. :/

[kelkel]

Yes they are good numbers. Do you happen to have more? SHBG, Albumin? Is that all you got though? Seriously, you should have complete BW prior to initiating this as your cycle will effect more than just your T levels. Include vit D and DHT as well. Vit D, btw will improve free T levels as most people are relatively low.

[gixxerboy1]

few things.
20 weeks is almost twice as long as recommended for a first cycle.
pct should start 18 days after your last injection
nolva and clomid for pct
drop the proviron and use the a-dex from the first week at .25mg eod
your not going to loose muscle at 19% bf cutting.
I would wait to you are leaner (sub 15) then start a 12 week cycle
yes i would use hcg 250iu 2x a week up to pct

[fatman225]

Alright, will wait just a bit longer and cut the durration of the cycle down.

I will store my proviron in a dry cool place, so it should be good for at least a year.

4% bodyfat should not be too hard to lose at this point, my bodyfat% has been dropping like a bad habbit over the last couple months, so I predict I can take off 4% more within the next 8 weeks, easily, and then run the cycle for 12 weeks, just plain test, at 400mg EW.

KelKel, I did get entire blood work. I only posted those as they are most relevant to the cycle (I assumed).

Everything was mid range normal for a 33 yr old.

My Doctor claimed I'm in "perfect health". They tested lipids, liver, everything. Do you want all the numbers, Or did you mean I should simply have them on hand for my own information? I assumed as far as positng only needed things like Total T, FreeT, E2 etc...?

The DHT was in the normal range, 25 on a 10-70 range, so at lower end of it, just as the E2 was in the upper end of normal. My guess is that is all due to the bodyfat being too high.

I don't have bioavialable T or Albumin bound, they did not have those with the lab that did my blood work, just Free, Total, DHT, E2 etc...

[kelkel]

Very good then. Most people do not have baselines and it can/will come into play later on. Glad you have it. Keep a file of all your labwork for future reference. Remember to supplement with D. Also, Gixxer is correct (as expected) on the 18 days. I reversed cyp/enan! My T level must have dropped!

[Flooopie]

Fatman, let me know how your cycle goes when you eventually do it. I've been doing Intermittent Fasting for over a year (hands down, THE best nutritional decision I've ever made). I've been contemplating a test-only cycle for cutting while doing IF, but I haven't done it yet. I'm not new to AAS, but I've always used them more for bulking phases - not cutting. I'd love to hear results of AAS with IF. Thanks!