will using anabolic alone shut you down the same as stacking anabolic and androgenic?

[kevstar]

hey i cant find the answer to this question, so is using test alone going to shut you down the same as stacking test and another compound such as equipoise?? thanks guys really appreciate it!

[Noles12]

Yes all anabolic steroids will shut down your natural production. Some have a more severe effect than others.

The synthetic testosterone is readily available in the body so the body feels no need to produce its own

[kevstar]

Yes all anabolic steroids will shut down your natural production. Some have a more severe effect than others.

The synthetic testosterone is readily available in the body so the body feels no need to produce its own

I no it will but my question is, is doing sus alone going to have the same damage as stacking test and equipoise because I've read forums in this site saying there is no such thing as one test will shut you down harder then others except Trent and deca

[Brohim]

I no it will but my question is, is doing sus alone going to have the same damage as stacking test and equipoise because I've read forums in this site saying there is no such thing as one test will shut you down harder then others except Trent and deca

If you stack (take larger doses) your recovery could be longer. Best cycles IMO are short duration and light/moderate dose. This allows for faster recovery of your HPTA. You are correct that Deca/Tren will take a longer recovery.

[kevstar]

i was just thinking of doing sus 2mls and eq 2 mls a week for 10 weeks, do you think that this stack is to harsh on the body? cause read a few forums saying eq is actually quite weak

[Turkish Juicer]

Roids have been around and available for nearly 60 years and yet some people still insist on categorizing different compounds as ''anabolics'' and ''androgenics''.

AAS = Chemical compounds with both anabolic and androgenic qualities.

Only ratios differ between compounds, and real life results are usually different than what is written on the paper may suggest.

[junkiescumbag]

im not sure how the dose of anabolics would have anything to do with recovery more so the time spent ON would be the determining factor

[ironbeck]

Every one is different, but it is possible to do a test only cycle and have very little shut down take place...with respect to a reasonable dose.

[marcus300]

No matter what type of steriod or stack you take it will damage your natural testosterone. Your 18yrs so your hpta hasn't fully developed so by shutting it down can result in your natural test levels being damaged. Use what you have, don't shut it down.

Worse thing you could ever do and will result in opposite what your trying to achieve.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

Marcus

[ironbeck]

I didn't realize the kid was 18. For anyone below the average age of 25 steroids can cause a permanent damaging effect to your bodies natural test production for LIFE.

[kevstar]

No matter what type of steriod or stack you take it will damage your natural testosterone. Your 18yrs so your hpta hasn't fully developed so by shutting it down can result in your natural test levels being damaged. Use what you have, don't shut it down.

Worse thing you could ever do and will result in opposite what your trying to achieve.

I'm actually 22 yo and IMO I've hit my genetic capacity as I'm 193pounds around 9-10 bf very lean and I've been trying for a while but my results are bad keep in my mind I'm
All ways on a calorie surplus by 600-700 calories been lifting since 15

[t-gunz]

i think 99% of people dont ever reach there genetic limit. they just prefer to use steroids... not saying thats you. we just hear it all the time.

if ur results are bad maybe get a coach ? or post ur diet up.... u can be suprised and get some new gains.

its your call with the steroids mate. just be 100% sure u want to use em. as the risk can sometimes out weight the pros.

e.g. test shut down and cant recover.

[marcus300]

I'm actually 22 yo and IMO I've hit my genetic capacity as I'm 193pounds around 9-10 bf very lean and I've been trying for a while but my results are bad keep in my mind I'm
All ways on a calorie surplus by 600-700 calories been lifting since 15

Lying about your age isn't a wise move,

How did I know you was going to justify your actions,

Guess you don't need my help or experience, best of luck you'll need it

[freddy1418]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

Marcus

Nicely put.. wish we could cut and paste this on half of these threads here Lol,

[gixxerboy1]

I'm actually 22 yo and IMO I've hit my genetic capacity as I'm 193pounds around 9-10 bf very lean and I've been trying for a while but my results are bad keep in my mind I'm
All ways on a calorie surplus by 600-700 calories been lifting since 15

if you been eating a calories surplus for 7 years you would be fat. Eating a surplus your going to put on weight either fat or muscle. So if your not gaining weight your not eating a surplus

[chrisdog212]

if you been eating a calories surplus for 7 years you would be fat. Eating a surplus your going to put on weight either fat or muscle. So if your not gaining weight your not eating a surplus

I agree. You would still most likely be gaining weight. Im a little bit heavier than you; but I thought I hit a point where I wouldn't gain anymore but now im still gaining. How tall are you??

Do a diet check and listen to the guys giving you advice!

[kevstar]

if you been eating a calories surplus for 7 years you would be fat. Eating a surplus your going to put on weight either fat or muscle. So if your not gaining weight your not eating a surplus

Lol.. I eat in a calorie surplus obviously for winter to bulk lmao and lean down in Summer clearly?

[chrisdog212]

Lol.. I eat in a calorie surplus obviously for winter to bulk lmao and lean down in Summer clearly?

Can't be clear if you don't state it.

[gixxerboy1]

I'm actually 22 yo and IMO I've hit my genetic capacity as I'm 193pounds around 9-10 bf very lean and I've been trying for a while but my results are bad keep in my mind I'm
All ways on a calorie surplus by 600-700 calories been lifting since 15

Lol.. I eat in a calorie surplus obviously for winter to bulk lmao and lean down in Summer clearly?

sorry it wasnt obvious when you write ALWAYS

[Noles12]

I'm actually 22 yo and IMO I've hit my genetic capacity as I'm 193pounds around 9-10 bf very lean and I've been trying for a while but my results are bad keep in my mind I'm
All ways on a calorie surplus by 600-700 calories been lifting since 15

You are 18.

Not to mention 22 years old is not a good age to start either. You should have come up with a better lie