first post. im ready to start hgh, need some advice please!

**xgabrielx** · 06-23-2012, 03:30 PM

ok so ive been reading over these forums for the past 6 months, just trying to collect information and see if this was for me. ive been training and eating well since i was 16 (im 33 now) , never took gear (my test levels are still good, around 650 i believe) but i have been very interested in hgh, and im ready to start using that as part of my routine.

i have a couple of "sources" for hgh, but what ive read on here is that more often than not hgh on the black market is bunk, not all, but most.

so im just wondering what types of hgh i should avoid, i heard blue tops are bad? any types of "name brand" hgh i should avoid?

also, any types of hgh that are good? i heard lilly brand is good?

thanks for helping me out, i just want to do this right and not put anything in my body that is fake

**Times Roman** · 06-23-2012, 03:38 PM

Welcome to the board mate!
Over 90% of advertised HGH on the web is bogus. HGH is #1 on the list of items that are counterfitted and bogus. China is the biggest producer (by volume) of bunk HGH. It doesn't matter whether one color top or another. colors are easily manufactured.

additionally, HGH is a very unstable molecule. age/heat can render legit GH ineffective.

I would recommend getting to 100 quality posts. then you can start asking some of the staff here what they think. (remember, it is up to the individual staff member whether they will help you or not)

If that advice seems distasteful, then i'd recommend looking into peptides that stimulate the pituatary into releasing GH. such as ghrp-6 (and others)

Good luck!
---Roman

**xgabrielx** · 06-23-2012, 03:40 PM

oh also forgot, my "stats"

33 years old
6'3
235 pounds
12% bodyfat

**xgabrielx** · 06-23-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

Welcome to the board mate!
Over 90% of advertised HGH on the web is bogus. HGH is #1 on the list of items that are counterfitted and bogus. China is the biggest producer (by volume) of bunk HGH. It doesn't matter whether one color top or another. colors are easily manufactured.

additionally, HGH is a very unstable molecule. age/heat can render legit GH ineffective.

I would recommend getting to 100 quality posts. then you can start asking some of the staff here what they think. (remember, it is up to the individual staff member whether they will help you or not)

If that advice seems distasteful, then i'd recommend looking into peptides that stimulate the pituatary into releasing GH. such as ghrp-6 (and others)

Good luck!
---Roman

roman, thanks for your response!

im just wondering, how would the staff help me?

i dont think i understand what you mean by that

-gabriel

**Atomini** · 06-23-2012, 03:44 PM

As already stated earlier, HGH is the most faked and counterfeited thing out there with nearly all coming from China. With that being said, I have used good HGH from China (generic blue tops). However, I have also ran into bad bunk garbage stuff that i've lost money on as well (Chinese sourced HGH).

In the end, you must trust your source, or go get pharmaceutical grade HGH (very very expensive though).

**Times Roman** · 06-23-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by xgabrielx

roman, thanks for your response!

im just wondering, how would the staff help me?

i dont think i understand what you mean by that

-gabriel

there are many of us that use hgh.
some found their source through trial and error. others have been able to ask a staffer whether or not their prospective source is legit.

**xgabrielx** · 06-23-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

there are many of us that use hgh.
some found their source through trial and error. others have been able to ask a staffer whether or not their prospective source is legit.

hm, that makes sense.. like i said, i have a source, this source is pretty knowledgeable about this stuff but i dont want to sound like an idiot when i give this source a call.

so how many ius should i get? how much "bacterial water" should i get and how much of that water do i mix with the powder?

**Times Roman** · 06-23-2012, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by xgabrielx

hm, that makes sense.. like i said, i have a source, this source is pretty knowledgeable about this stuff but i dont want to sound like an idiot when i give this source a call.

so how many ius should i get? how much "bacterial water" should i get and how much of that water do i mix with the powder?

i'm a little skeptical of "sources" (aka dealers) that give advice since what they say cannot be fact checked like you can here.

second of all, for HGH, what are your goals? do you have any idea of the prohibitive cost involved? AND that the shortest recommended cycle is 6 months?

**kelkel** · 06-23-2012, 05:45 PM

Agree with T.R. Look into peptides first. Cheaper, effective, safer, etc. Read the thread in the IGF forum regarding GHRP-6, etc.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-23-2012, 06:42 PM

i would only use a real pharmaceutical companies. Like lilly or serano and such

**swm1972** · 06-23-2012, 08:11 PM

My opinion, you are just as likely (perhaps more likely) to get fake human grade HGH then you are to get fake black market HGH that has a good reputation. I've been using the same guy for HGH (from china) for almost six years. He has a great rep on numerous boards over the years. I also pay 1/8 for this stuff then what I'd pay for legit human grade HGH. If you know an aids patient you can talk out of some kits at a reasonable price, great go for it. But the two legit human grade source for HGH I know of would cost me more per month then my house and two car payments do.

**stpete** · 06-23-2012, 08:31 PM

You're suggesting OP find an AIDS patient for HGH? That's not right, man.

**swm1972** · 06-24-2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by stpete

You're suggesting OP find an AIDS patient for HGH? That's not right, man.

No I'm not suggesting that but I know a guy that competes and has won Mr Kentucky that gets his that way. Human grade is just as likely to be bunk as black market. That was my point.

I also want to point out this HIV positive person my buddy gets his from get so much more then he will ever use. It is prescribed to him at doses he can not comfortably take. We all know the sides associated with HGH use. The joint pain and general discomfort. He is selling stuff he wouldn't use otherwise. He isn't being exploited. If anything he is exploiting my friend.

**Gi812Many** · 06-25-2012, 12:04 AM

Theres another forum that did serum levels along with, HGH purity comparisons....Majority of generics did terrible. HGH purity comparisons were nothing compared to the Pharm Grade GH. The serum levels is a bit different being each body chemistry is different and some other variables but, you get a basic ideas as to how the serum levels compared towards the Pharm Grade. Again generics were garbage for the most part. I did generics for almost 6 months, nothing compared to what now 5 months nearly of pharm grade has done, not even on the same planet. Im now having a baby and just cant pay the price from a local Dr. so other good pharm brands to look at are Gen-sci and Ansomones. My Ansomone came back at 27.9ng/ml wooohooooo....If I recall human grade GH should be 25ng/ml and above. Gixxer hope I did not toast myself by stating the above manufacturers. They are legitimate pharmacy companies :/

**ata1979** · 06-25-2012, 02:51 AM

Things to know before you start.

1) Its expensive, very expensive. so be financially prepared before you start
2) Dont expect steroid like results. gains are slow, dont expect anything the first couple months
3) running HGH for less than 6 months is a waste, if you cant afford at least 6 months worth dont do it, wait and save up
4) running anything less than 3-4ius is a waste, if you cant afford it, dont do it, wait and save up
5) protocol should be at least 5 days on 2 days off, pinning everyday would be ideal of course.
6) keeps your shit refridgerated.
7) lotta fakes out their, dont be a penny pincher. If your gonna do it, do it right and get the pharma-grade.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-25-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Theres another forum that did serum levels along with, HGH purity comparisons....Majority of generics did terrible. HGH purity comparisons were nothing compared to the Pharm Grade GH. The serum levels is a bit different being each body chemistry is different and some other variables but, you get a basic ideas as to how the serum levels compared towards the Pharm Grade. Again generics were garbage for the most part. I did generics for almost 6 months, nothing compared to what now 5 months nearly of pharm grade has done, not even on the same planet. Im now having a baby and just cant pay the price from a local Dr. so other good pharm brands to look at are Gen-sci and Ansomones. My Ansomone came back at 27.9ng/ml wooohooooo....If I recall human grade GH should be 25ng/ml and above. Gixxer hope I did not toast myself by stating the above manufacturers. They are legitimate pharmacy companies :/

no your good.

How's thew wife feeling?

**Gi812Many** · 06-25-2012, 09:32 AM

Shes doing pretty good. Mood swings are driving me crazy but, just part of it. Finally getting her stomach back, just about everything made her sick. Were slightly over the 12 week mark so the first trimester is coming to an end. Thanks for asking

**swm1972** · 06-25-2012, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Shes doing pretty good. Mood swings are driving me crazy but, just part of it. Finally getting her stomach back, just about everything made her sick. Were slightly over the 12 week mark so the first trimester is coming to an end. Thanks for asking

Congrats man. My wife and I are in week 24.

**Gi812Many** · 06-26-2012, 03:34 PM

6 months in....You know if its a boy or girl? Think thats when its going to get very real to us

**swm1972** · 06-26-2012, 06:04 PM

It's a girl. Already named her. Aubree.

**ttufan111** · 06-26-2012, 06:50 PM

Congrats.

**xgabrielx** · 06-26-2012, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Theres another forum that did serum levels along with, HGH purity comparisons....Majority of generics did terrible. HGH purity comparisons were nothing compared to the Pharm Grade GH. The serum levels is a bit different being each body chemistry is different and some other variables but, you get a basic ideas as to how the serum levels compared towards the Pharm Grade. Again generics were garbage for the most part. I did generics for almost 6 months, nothing compared to what now 5 months nearly of pharm grade has done, not even on the same planet. Im now having a baby and just cant pay the price from a local Dr. so other good pharm brands to look at are Gen-sci and Ansomones. My Ansomone came back at 27.9ng/ml wooohooooo....If I recall human grade GH should be 25ng/ml and above. Gixxer hope I did not toast myself by stating the above manufacturers. They are legitimate pharmacy companies :/

how do i make sure i get pharm grade GH? is their pharm grade out there on the BM? or is it only available via a doctor ?

**gixxerboy1** · 06-26-2012, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by xgabrielx

how do i make sure i get pharm grade GH? is their pharm grade out there on the BM? or is it only available via a doctor ?

its out there just much harder to get. Just do some research on the brands. You can tell whats a pharmaceutical company and what isnt

**Gi812Many** · 06-26-2012, 10:52 PM

Love the name Aubree

)) Were hoping for a girl as well. Well good luck with everything, is it your first? As Gixxer said, its out there you just need to do your research and make sure your dealing with a legitimate supplier.

**spywizard** · 06-26-2012, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

No I'm not suggesting that but I know a guy that competes and has won Mr Kentucky that gets his that way. Human grade is just as likely to be bunk as black market. That was my point.

I also want to point out this HIV positive person my buddy gets his from get so much more then he will ever use. It is prescribed to him at doses he can not comfortably take. We all know the sides associated with HGH use. The joint pain and general discomfort. He is selling stuff he wouldn't use otherwise. He isn't being exploited. If anything he is exploiting my friend.

But it is the way to go.. they either don't use it, or they have multiple scripts, they don't pay for it, and sell it for cash since they can't get a job because then they wouldn't qualify for medicaid ..

**swm1972** · 06-27-2012, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Love the name Aubree

)) Were hoping for a girl as well. Well good luck with everything, is it your first? As Gixxer said, its out there you just need to do your research and make sure your dealing with a legitimate supplier.

No I had 3 kids in my first marriage when I was younger. My wife and I have 1 besides this addition.

This your first? Enjoy it either way. It goes by in the blink of an eye. Seems like yesterday my oldest was born. Today she is in the us army and I never see her anymore. Never been more proud as a parent as I was watching her cross that field with her unit at graduation.

**Gi812Many** · 06-27-2012, 09:25 AM

Yah this is my first.....You have 72, assuming that is your birth date...Crazy to have a daughter that old at your age! Im looking forward to having something to live for other than myself

)) My sister just had her first 3 days ago, so im a uncle first and than shortly there after a daddy. Will be nice having them so close in age, both grow up with one another. Another forum I am a part of was saying AAS users are more likely to have females than males, do you have all girls or a mix??

**swm1972** · 06-27-2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Yah this is my first.....You have 72, assuming that is your birth date...Crazy to have a daughter that old at your age! Im looking forward to having something to live for other than myself

)) My sister just had her first 3 days ago, so im a uncle first and than shortly there after a daddy. Will be nice having them so close in age, both grow up with one another. Another forum I am a part of was saying AAS users are more likely to have females than males, do you have all girls or a mix??

After I started using (I was 34) I have only had one and this one that is on the way. And it's a 50/50 split with a little boy and a girl on the way.

I can relate to that statement 'something more then myself to live for'. I've got lots of little eyes looking to me for guidance and support. Need to make sure I get it right.

My daughter had a cousin that was 3 weeks older then her. They were great friends when they were younger. But that changed over the years and now they don't care for each other. Maybe that's jut how girls are, I don't know.