26, wanting to go on 1st cycle, stats, everything inside.

[darkside1]

Hello all, I have been reading for about a month now all the stickes etc and I have been wanting to start my first cycle.

lifting on and on for about 5 years and about 1 year on without gaps
26 years old next month, I am 6 feet at 185 lbs with 12-14% body fat,
I do not want to get huge huge but Id say I would like to be around 200-210 with 5-6% body fat

Everyone that seems knowledgable says to first start only on test? I work hard at the gym and I believe my diet and macros are good.

what kind of time realisticly am I looking at to go from 185lbs 14% body fat to 200-210 6% body fat? I am 6 feet exactly.

this is the only pic I have currently which is a bit more fat then I am right now since ive been cutting.

i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/eg6sir/IMAG0671as.jpeg

I appreciate any advice I may get, as I want to do this right.

[Noles12]

That is going to be a long term goal. You are talking about putting on close to 40 lbs of lean mass and losing 8% BF. It is doable but IMO will take a little while

I can not give you an exact number because everyone is different and it will be dependent upon many factors.

[gixxerboy1]

I agree with Noles. And 6% is very hard to get too let alone mantian.

[darkside1]

I can usually put on mass pretty easy if I want too but I have trouble losing the fat afterwards, to 200lbs 6% are we talking about 1 years time or more?

[darkside1]

yes I agree but ive eliminated everything bad from my diet in preparation for that. What kind of gsxr do you ride? I have a cbr1000rr and a s1000rr

[FireGuy]

I can usually put on mass pretty easy if I want too but I have trouble losing the fat afterwards, to 200lbs 6% are we talking about 1 years time or more?

You are talking about going from an average looking guy to a look which would allow you to step on stage and win a bodybuilding contest at a state or local level. This doesnt happen in a year. My avy is around 5% and 195 just to give you a reference and I am 5'10.

[kif]

I think you should aim for next summer to complete your goal jmo

[Noles12]

I can usually put on mass pretty easy if I want too but I have trouble losing the fat afterwards, to 200lbs 6% are we talking about 1 years time or more?

It is dependent upon many things such as genetics, current training status, diet, etc. So there is no way of saying.

1 year does not sound realistic

[FireGuy]

I think you should aim for next summer to complete your goal jmo

So you think a year is suffecient time for him to gain 39 pounds of solid muscle while simultaneously losing 15lbs of fat?

[Noles12]

So you think a year is suffecient time for him to gain 39 pounds of solid muscle while simultaneously losing 15lbs of fat?

If that were possible i think I could be a top level pro by now

[FireGuy]

If that were possible i think I could be a top level pro by now

I hear that. It took me 23 years to go from an average look to where I am now. In the last hour I have read three different people state goals of + 220lbs and less than 6% bodyfat and all of them are well below 200lbs now with bodyfats in the teens. I am curious if they think building that kind of physique is done over night of if they just dont realize how big and ripped 220 and 5% is. Once that first year of "easy" muscle is built, if you average 2-3 lbs of added SOLID muscle per year you are doing fantastic.

[Brohim]

OP you have no idea how tough it is to get to 6% let alone single digit bf. It is good to type but unrealistic. Most guys compete at bf levels close to there and it's almost impossible to maintain that unless your life revolves around working out and eating clean all the time. When you get to single digit bf it's more of a mind game at that point. It is difficult. I would say work on gaining some muscle then cut down to 10-11% you will look great.

[Noles12]

I hear that. It took me 23 years to go from an average look to where I am now. In the last hour I have read three different people state goals of + 220lbs and less than 6% bodyfat and all of them are well below 200lbs now with bodyfats in the teens. I am curious if they think building that kind of physique is done over night of if they just dont realize how big and ripped 220 and 5% is. Once that first year of "easy" muscle is built, if you average 2-3 lbs of added SOLID muscle per year you are doing fantastic.

I think the biggest problem is people dont truly understand BF% and how big of a difference there is between 12% and 6%. I personally have never been below 8% as I have never had a need to.

[Jaxkiller]

I want 1% body fat with 320 pounds and 8 packs, for christ sake, I want abs even in my nuts, incredible hulk per se!

[< <Samson> >]

I want 1% body fat with 320 pounds and 8 packs, for christ sake, I want abs even in my nuts, incredible hulk per se!

No shit, huh. . . . If shit worked like that every juicer would look like Cutler.

Shit, 10% Bf is damn near amazing for a "normal" guy.

Most guys below 10% are competition status like mentioned above. And just about all of them work extremely hard to keep themselves that way.


Achievable, yes - fast < fvck no.

Lets say you want to gain 30-40 pounds of LBM. 10-15 a cycle is about a fair high average. 6-10 months for a complete cycle(including cycle, PCT and a decent amount of time off). That is damn near 2-3 years of "safely" cycling.

Then don't forget, you have to maintain this physique. . . . It doesn't just stay after you get it.

[Noles12]

No shit, huh. . . . If shit worked like that every juicer would look like Cutler.

Shit, 10% Bf is damn near amazing for a "normal" guy.

Most guys below 10% are competition status like mentioned above. And just about all of them work extremely hard to keep themselves that way.


Achievable, yes - fast < fvck no.

Lets say you want to gain 30-40 pounds of LBM. 10-15 a cycle is about a fair high average. 6-10 months for a complete cycle(including cycle, PCT and a decent amount of time off). That is damn near 2-3 years of "safely" cycling.

Then don't forget, you have to maintain this physique. . . . It doesn't just stay after you get it.

After you have put on a considerable amount of mass, 10-15 lbs of LBM is hard to come by no matter what you cycle

[Jaxkiller]

No shit, huh. . . . If shit worked like that every juicer would look like Cutler.

Shit, 10% Bf is damn near amazing for a "normal" guy.

Most guys below 10% are competition status like mentioned above. And just about all of them work extremely hard to keep themselves that way.


Achievable, yes - fast < fvck no.

Lets say you want to gain 30-40 pounds of LBM. 10-15 a cycle is about a fair high average. 6-10 months for a complete cycle(including cycle, PCT and a decent amount of time off). That is damn near 2-3 years of "safely" cycling.

Then don't forget, you have to maintain this physique. . . . It doesn't just stay after you get it.

Chute, unless he goes for full throttle wild horse anabolic steroids!

[< <Samson> >]

Chute, unless he goes for full throttle wild horse anabolic steroids!

I said "safely" lol.

[darkside1]

lmao at everything hahha, ok soooo lets say 200lbs 10%body fat is what I will aim for. What would a recommended first cycle look like and then what to cut down etc.

[< <Samson> >]

After you have put on a considerable amount of mass, 10-15 lbs of LBM is hard to come by no matter what you cycle

I bet, otherwise you would just keep growing. . . lol

10 cycles @ 10-15 pounds of LBM. Sheeet, you would be bigger than Ronnie.

[JWP806]

Are you 26 or 20? On this board you say you are 20 and have the same url attached (i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/eg6sir/IMAG0671as.jpg).

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3093093&page=1

[< <Samson> >]

Are you 26 or 20? On this board you say you are 20 and have the same url attached (i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/eg6sir/IMAG0671as.jpg).

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3093093&page=1

That is awesome you found that. . . . True detective work. Can't slip shit by yall

[JWP806]

Haha I read post last night by Powerhouse and Razr destroyed him. That was awesome.

[Noles12]

Are you 26 or 20? On this board you say you are 20 and have the same url attached (i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/eg6sir/IMAG0671as.jpg).

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3093093&page=1

Good catch.

OP first off, lying about your age is stupid. it is only going to hurt you. It wil also not be tolerated here

Second you are much higher than 12% in your picture. Unless you have cut over 10% BF in the last 3 months then you are off on your estimate.

The goal you have set would be extremely hard to reach at that current picture

[dep30]

Nice... what and who makes these kids think a ripped body happens over one summer... and the sad thing is they are willing to risk their health for it.

[darkside1]

noooo I am 26 I just glanced through the BB site because I was only wanting to look at the pics people were posting and would not open, I am deff turning 26 in 2 months, I am currently 25 which is why I have waited for this age.

[Roidsbro]

goals arent reasonable

[darkside1]

Ok thats why I am here to learn, WHAT is reasonable?

[darkside1]

Yes that picture is a few months old, like I said I believe now to be between 12-14% I think I was at around 20% there ? I am just trying to get good accurate information before I do anything, isnt that what these forums are for?

[JWP806]

You just glanced through the site and decided to go through the trouble of creating a long post and when no one responded to you, you reiterated the fact that you are 20? You are busted and no one is going to give you any advice other than to wait. You have a long way to go based on your picture and it's clear that you haven't put the time and dedication into creating a solid diet and training plan.

Everyone is here to help you and I know that being told you are too young sucks but that is the truth. If you are willing to risk your health for your looks then have at it, big cat, but you are not going to get was advice from this board.

[< <Samson> >]

Eat

Lift

& get laid. . . .no other necessities @ 20

Maybe go to school. . . .

[Noles12]

You do not write out a post about yourself claiming to be 20 as you "just glance" at a site.

YOu are not going to be able ot convince anyone here that you wrote 20 for no reason even though you are about to turn 26. There is no logical reason why someone would do that.

[kif]

So you think a year is suffecient time for him to gain 39 pounds of solid muscle while simultaneously losing 15lbs of fat?

I do, the reason I do is because of his age he's only 26 I think with his natural growth along with a good diet and 2 cycles it is possible. I know I gained a ton of weigh on my first 2 cycles, not so much now.

[darkside1]

lol I get it about protecting the younger guys but im seriously 26 hahha I can post a pic of my birthday on my ID with the numbers, address and photo blocked but anyway, thanks for the help guys.

[FireGuy]

I do, the reason I do is because of his age he's only 26 I think with his natural growth along with a good diet and 2 cycles it is possible. I know I gained a ton of weigh on my first 2 cycles, not so much now.

I am not quite sure how to respond to this. If you believe 2 cycles and a good diet will turn an average guy with 159lbs of muscle into a 210lb bodybuilder with 5% bodyfat then why is it that maybe 2% of the members on this board have stats equal to or greater than that?

[kif]

I am not quite sure how to respond to this. If you believe 2 cycles and a good diet will turn an average guy with 159lbs of muscle into a 210lb bodybuilder with 5% bodyfat then why is it that maybe 2% of the members on this board have stats equal to or greater than that?

We all have our opinions man, no reason to get upset, I'm sorry if I'm affending you in any way.

[Jaxkiller]

The board went wild when they found out I was only 14 and was looking for info on cycles...just because I posted on a nicklodeon forum.

[Noles12]

I do, the reason I do is because of his age he's only 26 I think with his natural growth along with a good diet and 2 cycles it is possible. I know I gained a ton of weigh on my first 2 cycles, not so much now.

There is a difference between gaining a lot of weight on first cycles and obtaining the goal of 210 lbs at 5%.

Reaching that goal in that period would have me suggesting he continue on to a career in professional bodybuilding as he would have superior genetics compared to just about anyone here

[FireGuy]

We all have our opinions man, no reason to get upset, I'm sorry if I'm affending you in any way.

I am not upset at all. Debates are what these forums are all about. Like Noles said, if he can acheive that in one year with 2 cycles he has MR Olympia genetics. I have been competing for over 20 years and been around hundreds of competitive bodybuilders. I have yet to witness anyone make progress anywhere near what is being suggested here. I will go so far as to say most who live this sport and compete at a local or state level dont ever get into contest shape (5%) at over 200lbs of bodyweight.

[kif]

There is a difference between gaining a lot of weight on first cycles and obtaining the goal of 210 lbs at 5%.

Reaching that goal in that period would have me suggesting he continue on to a career in professional bodybuilding as he would have superior genetics compared to just about anyone here

Hey again no disrespect but I stand by my post, maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but it is my opinion and what I believe.