Permanent low-dosage cycle possible with no ill effects?

[BruceBanner]

Now hear me out.

I'm an ex-steroid user (but not ex-trainer) that was quite knowledgeable about roids at the time (bout 10yrs ago). How knowledgeable? Well knowledgeable to cook and make my own fina that worked a charm. But my days of SERIOUS lifting (ie cycles) are past me, I have work, family and shitty genes that hold me back from reaching my previous levels (but im ok with that).

But im outta touch now, and i'm wondering about something to assist me from a NON-bodybuilding perspective.
You see i'm a cleaner, I do 6-7hrs of hard cleaning 2-3 days a week and REALLY feel wiped out afterwards (+ the 2-3 small workouts/week i have).

I'm definitely ectomorphic in nature, even when i did roids (for a few years) I only managed a 140kg bench for a single in the decline bench, 50kg weighted dips for 5 reps, 20kg weighted chins for 5 reps, bodyweight 90kg, height 5'10", bodyfat 5-10% (the fattest I got was 16%, and that was HARD work).
MY training knowledge is pretty sound, even have a diploma with the ACSM, and when i was a Personal Trainer was able to assist naturals surpass my levels within 6-12 months of training (whereby i took years+roids to achieve those kinda lifts). I required microplates to progress aka Stuart McRobert style

Anyway, to the point. It looks as tho i might have to pick up more days cleaning, and right now, the way i am feeling, its gonna be a struggle. I want to keep lifting also (even from a health perspective), but that in conjunction with the cleaning (and having sleepness nights with a 2yr old and 5yr old) i don't think i can do it without a little help.

So... I'm wondering, if there is a way to take oral steroids (such as Dianabol) on an ultra low dosage that might aid in recovery but not really in terms of gains.

When i did roids I followed a safe but rather intensive style of cycling whereby i would do 4-6 weeks of fairly high dosages (dbol 50mg/day etc, sus 1000mg/week etc) and then stop and allow for MONTHS (sumtimes 6 or more) before doing another cycle. It was a 'hard and fast in' approach with PLENTY of time to recover. With doctor monitoring etc i experienced little side effects. In terms of gains it was 2 steps forward 1 back, but i was ok with that as long as my health was ok.
I soon learned that i didnt possess the necessary will nor baseline genetics to take this really far (competition etc). I only did roids like this for 3-4yrs then stopped altogether.

So i ask the knowledgeable types out there, is it possible to utilise the advantages of a drug like dbol, taking just 5-10mg/day indefinite (in conjunction with milk thistle etc) that might aid in recovery from something low intensity like (cleaning) that might provide more energy, less muscle soreness and an ability to work more often?

I mention orals only as I am not at all keen with going down the route of injecting again, especially as a family man. I know it sounds weird, but i am a product of my society, and injecting whether we like it or not, has a stigma involved, and I wear my heart on my sleeve, like not to lie, and just dont want to go 'that' hardcore into it. Society has conditioned me to accepting drinking and pill popping as less evasive and controversial methods of drug taking.
But anyhow, the kind of LOW dosages im talking about im thinking would not be an issue from a liver/kidney health perspective from using orals.

Look forward to hearing yer thoughts.

Bruce.

[lovbyts]

No, no and no. Less is not necesarily better especially with aas and thinking of doing oral is even a worse idea especially something like dbol unless you like the idea of shutting down your natural test production 100% and hate your liver, having ED and possibly multiple other side effects.

Looks like instead of jumping into what you THINK you want to do you need to hang out and start reading and learning before thinking you want to jump into any type of long or short term cycle. There is a lot of good information in the stick notes at the top on each forum especially in the diet section.

aas are not the answer to what you are looking for especially right now and you need to do a lot more research and learning or you will have a lot more regrets than feeling tired.

[Far from massive]

NO! soory bro,

Any amount of steroids you do will have some negative effects although someone will cite long term medical use of steroids in aids patients this is because the improvement outwieghs the risks.

What I would do instead is to make sure your Testosterone is up to par, if it is not then you can go injectable....wait don't quit reading yet LOL but with Nebido which is a very slow acting Test Undecanoate preparation that only has to be injected 4 times a year.

FFM

[BruceBanner]

Interesting, cheers. I do have some knowledge, but like i said im outta touch, rusty, forget. I thought dbol (even just 1 day) could be tolerated provided yer liver wasn't being pounded in other ways. I also thought dbol brought about positive nitrogen balance, but had little effect on yer actual test production, and it was sus etc that u needed to be careful (in regards to yer own test production), but its been a long time.

Interesting about test production, how might u suggest i get it tested? I mean, i could go to doctors, blood test? Perhaps tho because i am slim 33yr old, healthy, active and training my test levels might be considered elevated to that of normal anyway?

Anyways, i just thought id mention silly low dosages like half a dbol to 1 a day over a long period. In my day i never heard of silly low 'cycles' like this, i wondered if the body would tolerate such low dosages well, and if in my case (not particularly wanting to make muscle) might provide some help in recuperation.

Is there a guide for telling if yer test level is within normal parameters or not?

[Far from massive]

If you are 33 its fairly unlikely that your test levels are in decline but possible. A blood test called a male hormone panel will provide information on test as well as other homone balance issues.

Keep in mind if diet and sleep are not good mood and energy will not be either. In addition to these two there could be thousands of other reasons for lack of energy other than a hormonal problem.

[600@50]

I agree with FFM. Your test levels could be low. I went on TRT in 1994 at age 33 so it is possible you may need TRT also. Find a good endo and get some bw. Stay away from the orals. You don't need them for what you're looking for. Also diet and rest go a long way in your daily recovery whether from work, training or both.

[BruceBanner]

TRT, Testosterone Replacement Therapy? Endo, Endocrinist? bw?

[lovbyts]

yes trt testosterone replacement. Some see a general praticioner but 9/10 dont know jack about it and although Endo is a better choice a lot of them are undereducated also. Longevity clinics are generally better but not covered under medical insurance most of the time although the prescription will be.

Also no even 1/2 a dbol will knock your natural test levels down and that's not what you want. You cannot add to your natural test. Once your body detects any other form of steroid in the body if its testosterone or not it stops producing it naturally. It would be nice if you could just take a low dose to add to your natural test but it doesnt work that way. You can do things to produce more test naturally but typically not to any amount that is really noticeable.

Read up in the trt section to learn more and also the sticky notes, you will learn a lot.

[BruceBanner]

thanks for that, good advice.

What about legal supplements, like Tribulus etc, can you think of anything that might assist in recovery that can be used in an almost permanent solution kinda way?
I mean I even cycle caffeine so that i use it on the days i clean and not on the days that i don't, so that I actually feel that kick and buzz, otherwise I have found to get very little 'lift' if i have a coffee everyday etc.

Basically the message i'm getting is this;

1) my natural test might be low, go see doctor.
2) steroids, even ultra low dosages, aren't safe to be taken on a permanent basis.
3) if my test levels come back normal then what?

Have you any advice for someone like me (other than go see doc for test levels) that needs 'assistance' for doing very physical work from a supplemental perspective?

I recall when getting very lean (back in the day) I did ECA stack. I sure did feel like the energizer bunny when doing that! But i'm looking for something that is geared more towards helping my skeletal muscular system recovery than stimulant for the brain.
I have stripped my workouts back as much as i possibly can now, hence why i am looking into roids and supplements for assistance.

[lovbyts]

thanks for that, good advice.

What about legal supplements, like Tribulus etc, can you think of anything that might assist in recovery that can be used in an almost permanent solution kinda way?
I mean I even cycle caffeine so that i use it on the days i clean and not on the days that i don't, so that I actually feel that kick and buzz, otherwise I have found to get very little 'lift' if i have a coffee everyday etc.

Basically the message i'm getting is this;

1) my natural test might be low, go see doctor. Yes
2) steroids, even ultra low dosages, aren't safe to be taken on a permanent basis. Not true, perfectly save if used correctly but low dose is not the answer. Being educated is.
3) if my test levels come back normal then what? If your doctor puts you on TRT your levels will come back to normal but it's TRT for life.

Have you any advice for someone like me (other than go see doc for test levels) that needs 'assistance' for doing very physical work from a supplemental perspective?

I recall when getting very lean (back in the day) I did ECA stack. I sure did feel like the energizer bunny when doing that! But i'm looking for something that is geared more towards helping my skeletal muscular system recovery than stimulant for the brain.
I have stripped my workouts back as much as i possibly can now, hence why i am looking into roids and supplements for assistance.

I have never heard any real personal use of people using supplements or things like Tribulus and having good results but you can do some more reading of natural boosters (NOT GNC test boosters and such) and get blood work done again to see if it has risen and how you feel. Doctors should first also check your thyroids to see if anything is causing a problem and its not just natural low test due to age or??? If it is natural then no other choice than TRT.