need help with cutting cycle

[Armhand]

hi guys i am new to steriod .com and new to forums,

My stats are
height - 5.10
weight 240 pounds
bf% about 23%
training experince 4 years

I did a bulking cycle with a juice whose name was not disclosed to me ,but it worked well and i gained a lot of muscle and fat too, then i did PCT and held on to my gains,again no names were disclosed to me, now i am planning on doing a cutting cycle,i am thinking of using these

test- p 250 mg a week
tren acetate - 300 mg a week
both for 8 to 10 weeks along with nolvadex

my goal is to get a muscular,ripped phisque,and be strong too ,i ama stength athlete,a competetive powerlifter. i also need help with pct

[< <Samson> >]

We are close to the same. . . .


You need to get on your diet and lose that fat before you hit more juice.


Specially with Tren , the side will most likely tear you up pretty bad. This amount of fat makes you more prone to gyno and who knows how bad your blood pressure will spike.

[Armhand]

Hi samson,

I am really new to forums so pls help me out in case i miss something.I need some help here because i have no idea what juice i was on, just trade secrets, they didn't let me know.

ok i'll probably do a ECA stack and get my bf% low and then get on juice? . Since this is my second cycle, will the combination of Test - p and tren work well in fat loss? i don't want really low Bf percentages, just so i see some definition, but i want a lot of strength? also are the dosages i have mentioned correct to use?

My tdee is 3964 and i am planning on cutting out 20%,low carb diet
carbs 25%
protein 40 %
fats 35%
so that's basically 200 carbs, 317 protein and 125 fats.is my diet alright?

[jpowell]

Hi samson,

I am really new to forums so pls help me out in case i miss something.I need some help here because i have no idea what juice i was on, just trade secrets, they didn't let me know.

ok i'll probably do a ECA stack and get my bf% low and then get on juice? . Since this is my second cycle, will the combination of Test - p and tren work well in fat loss? i don't want really low Bf percentages, just so i see some definition, but i want a lot of strength? also are the dosages i have mentioned correct to use?

My tdee is 3964 and i am planning on cutting out 20%,low carb diet
carbs 25%
protein 40 %
fats 35%
so that's basically 200 carbs, 317 protein and 125 fats.is my diet alright?

NO! some things need fixed here. there is a lot f info here on this site and a lot of questions/tweaks that need to be addressed in your post.

for diet--ur gonna stay at 200 carbs everyday? or are you cycling with high, medium, and low?
your protein is way to low--at your weight you should be at 340 grams a day or higher.
fats are way to high unless you are using the ketosis setup--which then you wod have to go back and readjust your carbs. your stats put your fat content at about 75 or less.

have you watched the videos from Milos in the stickies?
i do agree with cutting out 20% or roughly 793 cals, however this maybe too high of a number just starting out--you kinda wanna wean things. maybe go smaller at 3-5hun.

i agree tho, you gotta get you BF and diet in check, then the rewards you'll see from hard earned work will make you feel a helleuva lot better.

ECA stacks are good--but once again your diet needs to be in check. its rec to get a nice diet implemented for at least 2 weeks b4 your start.

skip out on the tren--give the brief info you put--your not ready for it, if you want more thoughts or reasoning behind this lemme no.

also wat is your age?

[Armhand]

I am 23 yrs old

yep my diet is gonna stay 200 carbs everyday, i used a nutrition calculator to get the amount of fat i have to consume, maybe i am wrong??

i will increase my protein to 340 alright,but right now i am training naturally, do i need to consume that much?

i haven't watched that vid,i'll watch it though,

so reducing 20% calorie is too high? when u say 3-5 does it mean 300 to 500 calories?

also i get very hungry when i reduce my carbs to say 250 grams a day,between meals i feel starved,even though i take in complex carbs.

ur saying that i leave out tren out for this cycle? what BF% should i drop down to in order to use juice?

[gixxerboy1]

post in the nutrition section your exact diet. You will get alot of help
Dont even consider tren . Way to harsh and not for a beginner

[jpowell]

post in the nutrition section your exact diet. You will get alot of help
Dont even consider tren. Way to harsh and not for a beginner

very solid.

[jpowell]

I am 23 yrs old

yep my diet is gonna stay 200 carbs everyday, i used a nutrition calculator to get the amount of fat i have to consume, maybe i am wrong??

i will increase my protein to 340 alright,but right now i am training naturally, do i need to consume that much?

i haven't watched that vid,i'll watch it though,

so reducing 20% calorie is too high? when u say 3-5 does it mean 300 to 500 calories?

also i get very hungry when i reduce my carbs to say 250 grams a day,between meals i feel starved,even though i take in complex carbs.

ur saying that i leave out tren out for this cycle? what BF% should i drop down to in order to use juice?

23? man are you sure u wana exp with gear and possibly be on TRT forever.
id like to see you get diet in check and natural for a couple more years.

[Armhand]

ok i will post my diet in the diet section, yep i am sure i wanna go on gear, i have already done a bulikng cycle,i don't take gear and just sit on my ass watching t.v, i compete throughout the year in powerlifting and my workouts are way more brutal that bodybuilding, i know the consequences of AAS, i am willing to take the risk and use them properly,now jpowell i have answered some of ur questions, also i have posted some questions for u, reply please..

[jpowell]

23? man are you sure u wana exp with gear and possibly be on TRT forever.
id like to see you get diet in check and natural for a couple more years.

1. yes- u should consume 1 gram per pound of bodyweight--some rec using lbm only tho--i use total.
2. those calculators can be off--we damne need have the same stats (225 lbs, 18%) and my fat is only 54--u can't be 15 lbs more and use more than dbl, make sense? just to be safe-and w/out running numbers id drop to around 70-75 tops.
yea 20%=793 calories--wich could in the end lead to starvation or you crashing on your diet...its a slow process--start at 300, then if you can handle keep subtracting by 50s and get a feel for your body.
3. this is the reason we implement carb cycling. but being a powerlifter, your setup may be different than us bodybuilders...
i don't think it would hurt to go 300 carbs..
4. yes leave the teen out for a while! its been proven too many times not a beginner or secondary cycle compound. also your body fat is higher than mine, using harsher compounds puts you at risk for not only gyno but all the other sides associated with steroid use . as the final decision is yours, we can only offer help. its rec to get down to at least 15% bf before using any sups.

now that we got that outt the way---your OP--whats the goal of your cycle you want to do?

to cutt!

the test p is an ed thing--and i honestly don't see a benefit or a person injecting 35 mgs daily--up it to 75 mg maybe.
plus 8-10 weeks of pinning everyday is gonna get boring/dull/tiring. have you looked into longer esters?
your going to need an ai, go to ar-r , look for arimedex, also get your clomid and nolva for pct from them.

to have a successful cut--you gotta get diet dialed in, but the compounds i wod look towards wod be like win/var and a test ester.just MO..im sure others here will thro in the 2cents.

run your pct 100/100/50/50 and 40/40/20/20 1 month strate.

[Armhand]

let me make sure i got u right

1.)ok i am not gonna use tren as u say!

2.)i'll start by cutting down 300 calories out of my tdee with 300 carbs, 340 protein and around 75 grams of fats.

3.) i am not gonna jump on gear right now as u said i will come down to 15% bf.

4.) once i hit a plateau can i cut off some carbs and start reducing calories? also can i take in 300 grams of carbs everyday or should i cycle?

now coming to gear.

yes i have looked into longer esters, but i read they tend to hold water?

can i use test e or c with anavar , or will just runninhg test e or c alone help me get cut?

coming to AI , i am gonna buy arimedex,nolva nd clomid from a diffrent source, i check this site but i stay in canada and i want no hassels with my stuff getting held a border

is nolva a aromatase inhibitor too/ can it be used in place of arimedex, just curious to know, but i am gonna go according to what u guys say.

lastly i read that winny is hard on joints, i pretty much squat 2 times evety week and i don't want any joint issues.

thanks for the info brother, i am getting to know a lot of stuff from u guys.. please reply..

[jpowell]

let me make sure i got u right

1.)ok i am not gonna use tren as u say! good.

2.)i'll start by cutting down 300 calories out of my tdee with 300 carbs, 340 protein and around 75 grams of fats. good.

3.) i am not gonna jump on gear right now as u said i will come down to 15% bf. great! proli b about 5-6 mos.

4.) once i hit a plateau can i cut off some carbs and start reducing calories? exactly.
also can i take in 300 grams of carbs everyday or should i cycle? depends on you--id wait till u plateau before cycling.

now coming to gear.

yes i have looked into longer esters, but i read they tend to hold water? iffy--everything can retain water. this is y u use ai.

can i use test e or c with anavar yes, or will just runninhg test e or c alone help me get cut? diet +training+gear=(determines) your results.

coming to AI , i am gonna buy arimedex,nolva nd clomid from a diffrent source, i check this site but i stay in canada and i want no hassels with my stuff getting held a border many success stories, but if you gotta reliable source stay with it.

is nolva a aromatase inhibitor too/ can it be used in place of arimedex, No
just curious to know, but i am gonna go according to what u guys say.

lastly i read that winny is hard on joints, i pretty much squat 2 times evety week and i don't want any joint issues. case by case basis. my first cycle was win alone. no joint soreness, but my last week my liver shut down. i did 8 wks at 50 mgs a day. it cut me, shaped me, and also made me hard. i had guys and girls literally in my girl, drooling over my results and what i was taking.

thanks for the info brother, i am getting to know a lot of stuff from u guys.. please reply..

reds bro

[Armhand]

thanks for the quick reply, ok after i do a ECA stack and get down to 15% bf ,i'll use test c and anavar , now what would be the ideal dose for test c when used for cutting, i am planning on using 40 to 50 mgs of anavar every day, also what's the dosage for arimedex everyday? can i post my pics here or is it against the forum rules, can i pm u ?

[jpowell]

U camt pm yet.
Var is gonna nned to b run at 60-75 mgs daily.. Some guys go 100..but its kinda pricey...
Long ester c or e, run 500 mgs a week. Split into 2 pins...it also dpends on the concentration of the oils to the dgree of what each shot is gonna b.

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[Armhand]

ok, i am gonna post my diet in the diet section in detail, everything and i am gonna keep u updated about how my diet has dailed in and on eca stack, i read arimedex to be run like .5 mg every day? is that enough?

[warmouth]

1. yes- u should consume 1 gram per pound of bodyweight--some rec using lbm only tho--i use total.
2. those calculators can be off--we damne need have the same stats (225 lbs, 18%) and my fat is only 54--u can't be 15 lbs more and use more than dbl, make sense? just to be safe-and w/out running numbers id drop to around 70-75 tops.
yea 20%=793 calories--wich could in the end lead to starvation or you crashing on your diet...its a slow process--start at 300, then if you can handle keep subtracting by 50s and get a feel for your body.
3. this is the reason we implement carb cycling. but being a powerlifter, your setup may be different than us bodybuilders...
i don't think it would hurt to go 300 carbs..
4. yes leave the teen out for a while! its been proven too many times not a beginner or secondary cycle compound. also your body fat is higher than mine, using harsher compounds puts you at risk for not only gyno but all the other sides associated with steroid use . as the final decision is yours, we can only offer help. its rec to get down to at least 15% bf before using any sups.

now that we got that outt the way---your OP--whats the goal of your cycle you want to do?

to cutt!

the test p is an ed thing--and i honestly don't see a benefit or a person injecting 35 mgs daily--up it to 75 mg maybe.
plus 8-10 weeks of pinning everyday is gonna get boring/dull/tiring. have you looked into longer esters?
your going to need an ai, go to ar-r , look for arimedex, also get your clomid and nolva for pct from them.

to have a successful cut--you gotta get diet dialed in, but the compounds i wod look towards wod be like win/var and a test ester.just MO..im sure others here will thro in the 2cents.

run your pct 100/100/50/50 and 40/40/20/20 1 month strate.

Awesome advice! I am no expert and dont know a fraction of what you do, but the time and detail you put into you helpful answers are what I need from members on here. You not making the new guy feel insignificant and taking the time to held is amazing. Thank you!

[jpowell]

ok, i am gonna post my diet in the diet section in detail, everything and i am gonna keep u updated about how my diet has dailed in and on eca stack, i read arimedex to be run like .5 mg every day? is that enough?

Yea thas cool. But for starters u cam proli do .25 eod unless u feel u need to up.
Keep me updated bro we r here to help.

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[jpowell]

Awesome advice! I am no expert and dont know a fraction of what you do, but the time and detail you put into you helpful answers are what I need from members on here. You not making the new guy feel insignificant and taking the time to held is amazing. Thank you!

Man im just tryna offer the assistance that given to me by the bros here. No meed n bn stingy. We r all n this togther.

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[Armhand]

thanks for the great advice,i'll keep u updated.

[Armhand]

i have a few issues here with my diet,

1.) u have said i gram per pound of bodyweight that would be 240 * 1 = 240, but u have put 340 grams protein, is that right?

2.) my tdee is 3962 so 300 carbs = 1200 calories , 340 protein = 1360 calories and 75 grams of fat = 675 calories so the total would be 3253 calories a day, but u have told to reduce 300 calories a day , but this figure doesn't match bro?

once i get this right i am putting my diet in the diet section for u to correct..

[jpowell]

i have a few issues here with my diet,

1.) u have said i gram per pound of bodyweight that would be 240 * 1 = 240, but u have put 340 grams protein, is that right?

2.) my tdee is 3962 so 300 carbs = 1200 calories , 340 protein = 1360 calories and 75 grams of fat = 675 calories so the total would be 3253 calories a day, but u have told to reduce 300 calories a day , but this figure doesn't match bro?

once i get this right i am putting my diet in the diet section for u to correct..

Lol bro ur over thinkn.
1. The 1 gram per pound is a starting point. Urs is at 1.4 gram thas how i got 340.

Ur protein for bodybuilding shod always b 1.4-2.0 per pound...(did u watch those movies yet)

2. Something is worng here ...you r correct, im at work on the app, gimme a few mins an ill work it out for u.

Puts back to the principal here ...wen u setup ur diet, pro is gonna b at/around 340, carbs shod b at/around 300, and fats shod b at/around 75...
4grams of pro
9 grams of carbs
4 grams of fats

I get a lil over 3900 wen i do the math. Wich puts us at ur tdee, so subtract 300 to b n a deficit and this is how u cutt? You follow me?!

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[Armhand]

yep i am overthinkin,just desparate to get my things correct, even with girls lol.

ya i got my protein alright around 1,5 to 2 grams, that's ok understood, i am watching it, milo sarvec's seminar

i can setup my diet at this ratio, but the only problem i am having is that when i count my calories from carbs, protein and fat put together, it comes 700 calories short of my tdee, hope i am not confusing u??

also
4grams of pro
9 grams of carbs
4 grams of fats ? i didn't get this

take ur time bro, u helped me thru out, i'll wait, no problem

[jpowell]

yep i am overthinkin,just desparate to get my things correct, even with girls lol.

ya i got my protein alright around 1,5 to 2 grams, that's ok understood, i am watching it, milo sarvec's seminar

i can setup my diet at this ratio, but the only problem i am having is that when i count my calories from carbs, protein and fat put together, it comes 700 calories short of my tdee, hope i am not confusing u?? when i count your calories from macros--im get 4360..thas where those numbers at the bottom come in
4 grams (multiply by pro) 4*340=1360
9 grams (" by carbs) 9*300=2700
4 grams (" by fats) 4*75=300
totals here are 4360 cals aday if you follow this diet...so yourr TDEE is at 3960--with my way it creates a surplus or bulk phase--we need to cut. so i wod take off more than the initial 300, and try 600 or even go with your number that was close to 800--4360-800=3560--that way ull be at a deficiet of 400 calories thus putting you into the cutting zone. do you follow me?
also
4grams of pro amount of calories in protein
9 grams of carbs amount of callories in carbs
4 grams of fats ? amount of calories in fats--yoou multiply these numbers to get your total caloric intake.

take ur time bro, u helped me thru out, i'll wait, no problem

reds, lemme no if your still having problems.

[Armhand]

the problem i am having is when i count my macros it comes to 3253 calories a day that's becuz i am calculating this way

1 gram of protein = 4 calories
1 gram of fat = 9 calories and
1 gram of carb = 4 calories

now i simply multiply it with my macros

340 protein * 4 = 1360 calories
300 carb*4 = 1200 calories and
75 fats* 9 calories = 675 calories

so now i am totaling all these calories

1360 + 1200 + 675 = 3253 ( around )

i think u got it wrong, (1 gram of fat is 9 calories and 1 gram of carb is 4 calories.) u say 1 gram of fat is 4 calories and i carb is 9 calories?.

then on my tdee is 3962( thereabouts) so 3962 - 3253 is a 709 calorie drop, actuall i have some space to increase one of my macros maybe fats ot proteins

[Armhand]

i think i am eating u alive brother? sorry, just wanna get my stuff rigth before i do anything!

[jpowell]

the problem i am having is when i count my macros it comes to 3253 calories a day that's becuz i am calculating this way

1 gram of protein = 4 calories 340*4=1360
1 gram of fat = 9 calories and 75*9=675
1 gram of carb = 4 calories 350*4=1400

equals 3435---


now i simply multiply it with my macros

340 protein * 4 = 1360 calories
300 carb*4 = 1200 calories and
75 fats* 9 calories = 675 calories

so now i am totaling all these calories

1360 + 1200 + 675 = 3253 ( around )

i think u got it wrong, (1 gram of fat is 9 calories and 1 gram of carb is 4 calories.) u say 1 gram of fat is 4 calories and i carb is 9 calories?. yes i misplaced em, long day my falt.

then on my tdee is 3962( thereabouts) so 3962 - 3253 is a 709 calorie drop, actuall i have some space to increase one of my macros maybe fats ot proteins

i strongly discourage adding in fats--mayb into carbs--but this rite here actually wod be a good starting point!

[jpowell]

i think i am eating u alive brother? sorry, just wanna get my stuff rigth before i do anything!

bro its no biggie--at the begining of my journey i was a noob as well lol. its takes time and patience to learn. im just tryna pass on the good knowledge that was given to me.

[Armhand]

ok thanks brother gonna set my diet up and post it!! may i ask how long u been traing and how old u r?

[jpowell]

ok thanks brother gonna set my diet up and post it!! may i ask how long u been traing and how old u r?

mite i add to use myplate.com to add the foods into your diet--its a very nice site.

i been trainging since high school for sports about a solid 12 years...been serious and trans my body just since last year. exactly 1 year. its crazy how much a soound diet actually helps! dont b discouraged lil bro. im only 26.

[Armhand]

nope i am not discouraged, its just i am feeling there are so many things to consider,ya i am using fitday. com similar to it, but i really dont understand these website more that i can do it ona paper but iw ill look into it. i know i cannot put sources here, but when can i PM moderator and whom can i?

[jpowell]

u gotta wate till u get 50 quality post or something like that.

[slimpickings]

Jpowell your the man. Damn!!

[Armhand]

jpowell i have posted my entire diet brutally honest in the diet forum,have a look and help me out bro!!