didn't respond well to test, what should I try?

[mirin_serratus]

Long story short, ran 500 test e/wk for 12 weeks as first cycle and didn't notice any more weight and strength gains than a regular bulking phase without juice. source had great reviews all around and approved by vets here as well so it was unlikely to be bunk. i had some testicular atrophy as well. so I'm thinking maybe I just have crap receptors or something. next cycle i'm gonna try a different source, add dbol to jumpstart, and maybe up the test as well. would it be useless to keep doing test cycles since I don't get much out of them? should I add something else like deca and keep the test low? thanks

[GorillaNuts]

. You should have responded some what..... How's your diet? I recommend switching sources personally of you didn't gain even any strength. Never heard of someone responding that poorly, although a vet would be better to tell you. Smells like bunk gear personally.... Or highly under dosed......

[mirin_serratus]

. You should have responded some what..... How's your diet? I recommend switching sources personally of you didn't gain even any strength. Never heard of someone responding that poorly, although a vet would be better to tell you. Smells like bunk gear personally.... Or highly under dosed......

wasn't counting calories but was eating well above maintenence and about 300g protein, gained about 14lbs in 3 months but a lot of fat. i was thinking underdosed the whole time since i never felt it 'kick in' as most people put it. but everyone says source is legit... also i gained about 80lbs in 2 years lifting before this so i must be responding to naturally produced test at least

[Lil man]

Hey bud I'm in the same boat. I know my shit was legit cause libido was insane. Diet was very clean and above maintenance but I've had very little results. Smells to me like you and I both got underdosed test. Bad thing is, if you up the next cycle of test you'll never know what's possible with a real 500/wk cycle. I'm not in any hurry so I believe I'm gonna try a different source and dose at 500 mg/wk and see what happens. If I respond poorly then I may just shoot myself. I had very high hopes

[gixxerboy1]

if you dont count calories how do you know you were above maintenance

[DanB]

if you dont count calories how do you know you were above maintenance

Lol obviously because the diet consisting of fried food, cakes, cookies and ice cream put him over his maintenence without the need to count them

[tboney]

Long story short, ran 500 test e/wk for 12 weeks as first cycle and didn't notice any more weight and strength gains than a regular bulking phase without juice. source had great reviews all around and approved by vets here as well so it was unlikely to be bunk. i had some testicular atrophy as well. so I'm thinking maybe I just have crap receptors or something. next cycle i'm gonna try a different source, add dbol to jumpstart, and maybe up the test as well. would it be useless to keep doing test cycles since I don't get much out of them? should I add something else like deca and keep the test low? thanks

Either your gear was bunk or your diet and training are all wrong....

[kelkel]

Most people tend to "think" they eat enough and train hard enough. It's not always easy to accomplish no matter how advanced you are.

[Lil man]

Idk about him but I've eaten the same diet and increased as needed every week and my training is on par. I vote that mine was underdosed but I must say that you can't eyeball a calorie! Count em and you'll see that you can miss your mark by 1000 calories easy

[ghettoboyd]

wasn't counting calories but was eating well above maintenence and about 300g protein, gained about 14lbs in 3 months but a lot of fat. i was thinking underdosed the whole time since i never felt it 'kick in' as most people put it. but everyone says source is legit... also i gained about 80lbs in 2 years lifting before this so i must be responding to naturally produced test at least

like i have said many times before peeps expect way to much from there first cycle cus they have no experiance to compare it too...maybee its just me but i find sence i had a good base to start that each cycle im lucky to keep say 5 of the 10 lean lbs gained on cycle...and as far as the test "kicking in" for me there is no wakeing up one day and feeling like superman or anything..for me its a gradual thing with slow steady gaines in size and streangth, but i like it this way cus it easy to maintain after the cycle is compleat...

[ISU152]

Most people tend to "think" they eat enough and train hard enough. It's not always easy to accomplish no matter how advanced you are.

x2. Easily the biggest mistake I see people making.

[mirin_serratus]

if you dont count calories how do you know you were above maintenance

Most people tend to "think" they eat enough and train hard enough. It's not always easy to accomplish no matter how advanced you are.

like i said, i was pretty much stuffing myself and i was gaining fat so obviously i was eating above maintenence. can someone just give a helpful response instead of gang bashing my diet and training?

[mirin_serratus]

Hey bud I'm in the same boat. I know my shit was legit cause libido was insane. Diet was very clean and above maintenance but I've had very little results. Smells to me like you and I both got underdosed test. Bad thing is, if you up the next cycle of test you'll never know what's possible with a real 500/wk cycle. I'm not in any hurry so I believe I'm gonna try a different source and dose at 500 mg/wk and see what happens. If I respond poorly then I may just shoot myself. I had very high hopes

i know that feel bro, did you feel any fall off during pct?

[Capebuffalo]

like i said, i was pretty much stuffing myself and i was gaining fat so obviously i was eating above maintenence. can someone just give a helpful response instead of gang bashing my diet and training?

Only thing you can do is post everything you ate an a typical day on cycle. Diet is 80% of this training is 15% and the aas is only 5% Lets see what ya got.

[DanB]

like i said, i was pretty much stuffing myself and i was gaining fat so obviously i was eating above maintenence. can someone just give a helpful response instead of gang bashing my diet and training?

Why havnt you already posted your diet then as suggested above, and be honest about it, I see so many people post a perfect diet and claim to stick to it yet their stats say otherwise, its in your interest to get everything sorted for next cycle, and there is something seriously wrong somewhere, I didnt respond to test is b.s., you inject 500mg test per week and thats mabey 5-6 times what your body naturally produces

[leewil1]

Only thing you can do is post everything you ate an a typical day on cycle. Diet is 80% of this training is 15% and the aas is only 5% Lets see what ya got.

Dorian Yates "TRAINING IS 100% DIET IS 100% REST IS 100%" obviously said in response to the above quote and i agree entirely. I have the same problem with test and theres another guy here whos mentioned it my dbol kick start was ace and once id left the dbol behind ive noticed very little.

[kelkel]

No one has bashed you, whatsoever. We just made statements that are in no way deregotary. Re-read them. It is just plain a hard thing to do. It takes time and years of effort to achieve your goals and learn exactly what "your" body needs. We are all different. I too, have struggled to gain weight all my life as I'm basically ectomorphic in structure. Seriously try the nutrition forum. Some great guru's over there can detail it for you.

[mirin_serratus]

Why havnt you already posted your diet then as suggested above, and be honest about it, I see so many people post a perfect diet and claim to stick to it yet their stats say otherwise, its in your interest to get everything sorted for next cycle, and there is something seriously wrong somewhere, I didnt respond to test is b.s., you inject 500mg test per week and thats mabey 5-6 times what your body naturally produces

never said i had perfect diet, i didn't eat clean because i was trying to bulk, and i also don't have time to eat 6 meals a day, not that meal timing matters, but if you really want to know...

breakfast - large pb sandwich and protein shake - 80p/800 cal
lunch - 1lb 80/20 ground beef, bread rolls, fruits - 100p, 1500 cal
dinner - 1lb 80/20 ground beef, bread rolls, fruits - 100p, 1500 cal
before bed - smaller meal maybe fish or chicken, rice or bread, nuts - 60p, 600 cal

[Capebuffalo]

You need the nutrition section now. That needs a lot of work

[mirin_serratus]

You need the nutrition section now. That needs a lot of work

please elaborate

[evander87]

1 gram of protein is 4 calories. 1 gram of complex carbs is 4 calories. 1 gram of fat is 9 calories.


Im no expert but the math on your macros seem off. You're under eating bro.

[mirin_serratus]

1 gram of protein is 4 calories. 1 gram of complex carbs is 4 calories. 1 gram of fat is 9 calories.


Im no expert but the math on your macros seem off. You're under eating bro.

u srs bro? is everyone just trolling now?

[Noles12]

Your diet was terrible.

Peanut butter and jelly and bread rolls? Do we really need to elaborate?

What was your training routine like?

[evander87]

u srs bro? is everyone just trolling now?

ya srs brah

Are you looking for information, or validation?

You spent money on a cycle and didn't get results. You think it's bunk gear. Most of the people here say it's a crappy diet.

It's your money and body do what ever you want. Go blow the money on another cycle from another source and what happen you you still don't grow?

[< <Samson> >]

I suppose there are a bit of variables to this. . .i.e. yourself, diet and juice.

My diet was garbage 80% of my cycle, when the test enan hit me I blew up and bawls were half their normal size.


I gained and I gained and ate and gained. Of course this was not the best way of doing this that's why I gained 8%Bf.


But, if the juice is there along with the protein and you are training hard it should work.



Just because you trust your source doesn't mean shit. That crap could have been underdosed like no other and there is no way to tell without a blood test.


As for diet, if you didn't count your numbers that is not a good thing bro. I have been counting calories, fat grams and protein near forever. I hit a minimum of 3k cals per day & a minimum of 300g's of protein along with a ton of carbs < yes, I know this is not proper, but it works.


Your diet might be to blame though,

breakfast - large pb sandwich and protein shake - 80p/800 cal
lunch - 1lb 80/20 ground beef, bread rolls, fruits - 100p, 1500 cal
dinner - 1lb 80/20 ground beef, bread rolls, fruits - 100p, 1500 cal
before bed - smaller meal maybe fish or chicken, rice or bread, nuts - 60p, 600 cal

^ where are the complex carbs? the oats the pasta or something grain like at least?

But that's the only true thing I see lacking from your crap diet. Kinda like mine, but I ate tons of brown rice & raw oats - And still do.

[swm1972]

Lol obviously because the diet consisting of fried food, cakes, cookies and ice cream put him over his maintenence without the need to count them

Isn't that how everyone does it?

[Capebuffalo]

Just as an example my everyday breakfast that I blend and drink:
10 egg whites
1 c. oats
1 scoop whey

Cal 805 Fat 13.6g Carb 105.4g Pro 84g That's the lightest of my six meals a day.
Shakes do not make up for food

[Noles12]

Just as an example my everyday breakfast that I blend and drink:
10 egg whites
1 c. oats
1 scoop whey

Cal 805 Fat 13.6g Carb 105.4g Pro 84g That's the lightest of my six meals a day.
Shakes do not make up for food

Are you using steel cut oats or something?

[Capebuffalo]

Are you using steel cut oats or something?

uncooked steel cut

[Noles12]

uncooked steel cut

Makes sense. I was a little thrown off by your macros and figured that had to be the reason

[Capebuffalo]

That is one higher carb meal of the day. My thought has been carbohydrates are best consumed in the morning or following a workout when your insulin sensitivity is high. High-insulin levels slow the fat-burning process, so keep insulin levels controlled. So morning and post w/o are higher,

[Capebuffalo]

Makes sense. I was a little thrown off by your macros and figured that had to be the reason

You must have forgotten to add the 2.4 g of carbs from the eqq whites.

[ironbeck]

Just as an example my everyday breakfast that I blend and drink:
10 egg whites
1 c. oats
1 scoop whey

Cal 805 Fat 13.6g Carb 105.4g Pro 84g That's the lightest of my six meals a day.
Shakes do not make up for food

With water?............hard core.

[Capebuffalo]

With water?............hard core.

No. Egg whites are pastured and liquid..Have you ever tried to eat 10 egg whites and a cup of oats which when cooked is more. I drink that in 4 swallows and I am done

[mirin_serratus]

I suppose there are a bit of variables to this. . .i.e. yourself, diet and juice.

My diet was garbage 80% of my cycle, when the test enan hit me I blew up and bawls were half their normal size.


I gained and I gained and ate and gained. Of course this was not the best way of doing this that's why I gained 8%Bf.


But, if the juice is there along with the protein and you are training hard it should work.



Just because you trust your source doesn't mean shit. That crap could have been underdosed like no other and there is no way to tell without a blood test.


As for diet, if you didn't count your numbers that is not a good thing bro. I have been counting calories, fat grams and protein near forever. I hit a minimum of 3k cals per day & a minimum of 300g's of protein along with a ton of carbs < yes, I know this is not proper, but it works.


Your diet might be to blame though,

breakfast - large pb sandwich and protein shake - 80p/800 cal
lunch - 1lb 80/20 ground beef, bread rolls, fruits - 100p, 1500 cal
dinner - 1lb 80/20 ground beef, bread rolls, fruits - 100p, 1500 cal
before bed - smaller meal maybe fish or chicken, rice or bread, nuts - 60p, 600 cal

^ where are the complex carbs? the oats the pasta or something grain like at least?

But that's the only true thing I see lacking from your crap diet. Kinda like mine, but I ate tons of brown rice & raw oats - And still do.

thanks for the advice bro. but simple vs complex carbs really doesn't matter much as long as you hit your macros. it can't be the difference maker between amazing gains and minimal gains

[< <Samson> >]

No. Egg whites are pastured and liquid..Have you ever tried to eat 10 egg whites and a cup of oats which when cooked is more. I drink that in 4 swallows and I am done

For sure, I love blending shit up since it's just so much easier to drink/eat.

[swm1972]

thanks for the advice bro. but simple vs complex carbs really doesn't matter much as long as you hit your macros. it can't be the difference maker between amazing gains and minimal gains

Says the guy that says he is a poor responder to testosterone? Give me a break. We've all accomplished what you haven't. Why? Because we know how to eat. I was 5'10" 205lbs lean before I started cycling. How did I get there? I ate quality whole foods and didn't convince myself that protein shakes and peanut butter Kelly sandwiches could substitute for real wholesome food. But why even ask? You seem to think you have it figured out....

Everyone here for the most part has explained your problem and you wont accept it. There is no magic pill or injection that will make you big. Shitty food (especially simple carb like you eat) lead to fat deposits. You gained fat due to insulin spikes driven by simple carb ingestion.

Not trying to be a dick here, but why even ask if you won't accept the answers you are given. 10 grams of white bread is not the same nutritionally as 10 grams of sweet potatoes. Your diet is nutritionally lacking. That is why you aren't gaining. I lived on oats, eggs, lean meats, and spinach salads. Eat things your great grandmother would recognize. Whole foods. Not proceeded garbage you by in a box and nuke for 2 minutes. Not protein shakes. If you really insist in peanut butter try the natural kind on whole wheat bread.

Cliff notes, it really is your diet.

[songdog]

I dont recall J Cutler having PBJs in his diet is this a bulker? Ok and you think your test is bunk?You only have 1 1st cycle and thats the one you really see the most changes to your body.But you blew that by not having your diet checked out.

[Capebuffalo]

Natty peanut butter and ezeckial bread Ummm. Expensive sandwich but ummm

[DanB]

Just as an example my everyday breakfast that I blend and drink:
10 egg whites
1 c. oats
1 scoop whey

Cal 805 Fat 13.6g Carb 105.4g Pro 84g That's the lightest of my six meals a day.
Shakes do not make up for food

mine is similar, 100g oats, 1-2 scoop myofusion (it shit i know but nearly 3 tubs to use up), 5-10 egg whites, couple yolks, bananna, ice and 400ml water all blended up, it actually pretty damn tasty