I am just looking for all possible reasons, mainly the important ones that will talk me out of doing my first test e cycle when i turn 20 in a couple months.
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I am just looking for all possible reasons, mainly the important ones that will talk me out of doing my first test e cycle when i turn 20 in a couple months.
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Thread called the young and the steroids. Check it out. I'd post a link but I'm on the app.
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Thoughts on my possible cycle.
Hey everyone I am 20 years old, been lifting for 3 years now. I am thinking about starting my cycle this winter.
10 week Test E cycle @500mgs/week split into 2 injections of 250mg each. one monday morning and one thursday afternoon alternating between right and left glute and right and left delt.
I will not be taking HCG but will take clomid and nolva as PCT and will start 14 days after my last injection as follows: clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20.
I will be taking Aromasin for an AI week 1-12 @12.5mg eod.
My gym routine is on point and so is my diet. I consume ~3000 calories a day at a 40/40/20 split. protien carbs fats.
My goal for this cycle is to gain ~25lbs and maintain ~15lbs of my gains post PCT.
I know many of you will say I am very young to start a cycle but I have made up my mind and I know my goals. This is going to be possibly my first and only cycle as my goals are not to become a pro bodybuilder.
I will possibly change my mind if anyone can give me some solid reasons as to why I should wait to hop on the gear. Not trying to be rude but once again any feedback is welcome. thanks.
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First you put 19 yrs old on your profile. Your too young. But you want to be a pro bodybuilder. what is your height weight and bf? How many teen shows have you competed in and how have you placed? I call bull on your diet being on point and I dont know your stats yet. Please list everything you ate today. Macros and tdee. Thanks and welcome.
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"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?
By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.
At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.
Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.
When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle . Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.
Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).
Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.
So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.
No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?
So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids , should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.
We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.
For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements , at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.
By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.
Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.
Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.
I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.
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i said my goals are "not" to be a pro body builder. stats are 5'10" 170lbs ~10-12% bf. today for breakfast i had 2 whole eggs, 7 egg whites, 1 cup oatmeal with 1 tbsp honey, 1 scoop whey isolate with 250 ml milk. 3 hours later 2 grilled chicken breasts with light bbq sauce with 2 sweet potatoes and 2 cups of milk. 3 hours after that i had 2 cans of tuna mixed with mayo and 2 sliced of whole wheat bread. and just now i had 7 egg whites with 2 whole eggs on 2 peices of whole wheat bread. have been snacking on almonds in between meals and have been drinking water every half hour or so. in about an hour i will have my half cup of cottage cheese mixed with 1 tbsp jam and some more almonds.
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that was to convince you to wait until you're older.
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I want to know the main reasons as to why i should wait until i'm older. I feel i have hit a plateau and that a mild 10 week test e cycle is just what i need to get me back at it.
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i said my goals are "not" to be a pro body builder. stats are 5'10" 170lbs ~10-12% bf. today for breakfast i had 2 whole eggs, 7 egg whites, 1 cup oatmeal with 1 tbsp honey, 1 scoop whey isolate with 250 ml milk. 3 hours later 2 grilled chicken breasts with light bbq sauce with 2 sweet potatoes and 2 cups of milk. 3 hours after that i had 2 cans of tuna mixed with mayo and 2 sliced of whole wheat bread. and just now i had 7 egg whites with 2 whole eggs on 2 peices of whole wheat bread. have been snacking on almonds in between meals and have been drinking water every half hour or so. in about an hour i will have my half cup of cottage cheese mixed with 1 tbsp jam and some more almonds.
Sorry I miss read Pro body builder. And your diet does look better than what I thought it would. But, you are still too young. You have so much potential for growth without messing your body up and having long term problems.Please go to the nutrition and training sections. Do it the right way.
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did you have a question?
btw your goal is to gain 15 lbs.... why cant you do that naturally? its not impossible, too say the least.
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did you even read that? heres just one snippet that should change your mind-
Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.
why would you stop that steady rise by using aas? you are cheating yourself... please reread that entire passage before you ask that question again.
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I want to know the main reasons as to why i should wait until i'm older. I feel i have hit a plateau and that a mild 10 week test e cycle is just what i need to get me back at it.
what's the point of being all ripped up and sexy if your dick dosent work??
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what's the point of being all ripped up and sexy if your dick dosent work??
I guess if you catch and dont have to pitch it doesnt matter.. He's not hearing a word we say.
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I guess if you catch and dont have to pitch it doesnt matter.. He's not hearing a word we say.
ya I guess you don't have to have a hard c**k to take a hard c**k !!!
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bump
Bump for what your 19.
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Hey cape looks like he didnt like it the first time around lol
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capebuffalo im thankful that you respond to my threads but i am looking for some straight up reasons please haha!
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Shit dude I'm sorry can you read? Get your mom to read the above to you when she tucks you in. You will never guess the ending.
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Don't be so harsh brah. If young people (like me) want to do it and they insist on doing a cycle (I am not one of them) then I don't see why you guys can't just help them do the safest possible cycle they can to minimize the risks they will already be encountering. And to the OP - cause you could end up like Zyzz.Originally Posted by Capebuffalo
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Cape......you crack me UP dude!!!!!!
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They cant be any more straight up then what he said and no offense but you or anybody else who cant comprehend what he has given have no place using AAS regardless of age
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"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?
By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.
At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.
Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.
When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle . Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.
Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).
Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.
So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.
No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?
So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids , should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.
We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.
For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements , at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.
By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.
Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.
Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.
I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.
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It's because as you put it "safe us possible" is like telling people that they MIGHT be ok if they do but it's not for certain. Hence people on this board don't condone it. Facts are facts and we can't help hard headedness or stupidity but for every 60 people who are gonna do it any way 1 or 2 don't and instead they hang put and get educated. Aas are not a quick fix or a pick up chicks kinda thing. That's why good advise outside this site is rare. This site is a dies commodity with all the negative advertising out there. Take it for what you will but the truth is the truth.
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Do you know what risk management is? Let's say you are a bartender. Guys been at the bar for hours drinking Jack and Cokes. The guy is hammered. Guy ask for another drink. The bartender can refuse to serve him because he knows the danger of him hurting himself or others. Or thinks hell he will just go net door and get it . I'll serve him. BECAUSE HE HAS MADE UP HIS MIND TO DO IT AND JUST NEEDS HELP. First instance cab is called guy gets home no one else is injured. Second instance . Guy leaves kills 3 pedestrians and kills himself. The pedestrian's family sue the bar and the bartender and win. I'm not saying we are just covering our ass but it is a drunk driver going 90 mph when your underaged doing steroids. So brah. (And by the way educated adults don't say brah) That's not harsh. Harsh is TRT at 22
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I'm gonna bump this just so he reads it again.
He meant bra cuz he'll need one when he looks like bitch tit bob from fight club.
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I'm not going to cycle until I'm twenty four at least mate - thanks to some friendly and knowledgeable posters like "lovbyts" and "timesroman". They are posters I respect - not sarcastic thiry something year old American douchebags trying to act intelligent whilst being obnoxious and arrogant. Pathetic from thirty something year olds. I don't see why you just can't be friendly when putting your point across - no need to be so rude and unpleasant all the time.
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You realize by reading this he has already ask this before. Please go to the thread and see how he was treated. But when you don't get the answer you want and ask again expecting a different answer that's the definition of insanity.
You post something and see the response I give you. You have my respect until you make your self out as a dumb ass. You haven't delt with me. And I can see you backing up your what countryman ? And that's fine. But I'm not here to make myself feel higher than now by belittling someone. I made an ass of myself last week. Had to pm the guy and apologize publicly to him because I was wrong. I am sometimes. Not now your defending a person who ask the same question till he gets the answer he wants to hear. He takes time away from other member who want to learn and listen. And that's unacceptable. So say what you want about me but look at both of our histories.
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I wasn't backing up the OP at all. I was just saying the way you put your points across or word across comes off as rude or insulting sometimes. I have nothing against you mate you are a knowledgeable poster and I liked reading your posts before I even created an account. I'm confused - above you were saying it's fine for young people to juice, but I've seen in previous threads you have said that they are too young.
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Wow someone is a little angry today. I'm twenty mate, I can say brah as many times as I want. And if that is your petty attempt at trying to call me uneducated, then I'll have you know that I am studying a dual degree in law and business. You mad? Yeah, you mad. So many hypocrites on here it's unbelievable. It's okay for you to have done a cycle before twenty four, but no, when some other young lad wants to try a cycle you are all strongly against the idea. I agree with most of what you have to say on here "capebuffalo" but the way in which you put some of your points across are a joke. Most people just want help on here - this does not mean you have to be rude, obnoxious and arrogant.
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Good law then you know what risk management is. How would you advise your client to answer the question. As to being rude. I have answered your question last week as did others. This you mad you mad come at me bullshit. I'm not mad. I and extreamly afraid you will be taking care of me when I'm old.
Listen seriously, its not that dangerous, as long as you cycle off in th standard time and do a pct , ur hormone levels and will go back to normal. I know guys who did a couple cycles of juice at 20-21, even guys in highschool, with no AI, and a half ass PCT of just clomid , and were perfectly fine afterwards, with normal hormones and nut size afterwards. the people who **** themselves up permanently are the retards who dont give a ****, dont cycle off, dont do a PCT, Some people here are gonna act like experts just cause they can repeat something they dont understand, and make you paranoid.
How do you know this? If you did why the hell are you asking for advise. I tell you what double major. I won't respond to anymore of you threads. I rely on my peers to give you the same advise. I'm just the ass hole. But you know what. The ass hole always shoots you straight. You know where you stand whith him. Good living my friend. I wish you nothing but the best. Now leave me.
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Listen seriously, its not that dangerous, as long as you cycle off in th standard time and do a pct, ur hormone levels and will go back to normal. I know guys who did a couple cycles of juice at 20-21, even guys in highschool, with no AI, and a half ass PCT of just clomid, and were perfectly fine afterwards, with normal hormones and nut size afterwards. the people who **** themselves up permanently are the retards who dont give a ****, dont cycle off, dont do a PCT, Some people here are gonna act like experts just cause they can repeat something they dont understand, and make you paranoid.
Senior Member
Are people really this dumb? I just cant get my head around how stupid people can be
Member
Oh and now your the expert? Explain to me how your advise has any merit when we have guys on this board that are more knowledgable the most physicians I've met. I trust the word of some of the guys here more then anyone who says do what you want when you want bro. It's your body
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This is usually the response that you get from a young person as well. Your friends are fine now but if they are your age, they are only 22.
At least once a week someone comes on here in their late 20s saying how they were an idiot for cycling young because they are on TRT now.
They did everything by the book, yet they still had issues down the road.
I come on here an advise others based on my experience and knowledge as well as the experience of others. No one in here is forced to read a word I write nor do they have to follow it. I choose to spend my time helping when I feel it is needed. I would like to see people live healthy lives while reaching their goals. I will not go against my own beliefs to make others happy.
With that said, my opinion is for the general population is it makes more sense to wait. The potential damage to the HPTA as well as normal hormone function can affect a person for the rest of their life. Yes some will have no issues starting young, but when it comes to the pros vs the cons, I look at it based on the average person and worst case scenarios
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I see it as it's a typical reply you get from someone who is more than likely selling/pushing a UGL and phishing for customers/suckers.
Banned
Try tell that to the members here in mid 20's on TRT from a few standard 12week cycles or whatever (with pct)
Senior Member
Do I have to read this same thread day in and day out? cant you guys just have a look around? there is 100s of threads about this and why are the guys always 19 and dumb as dogsh*t... Just listen to what people are telling you, they dont know you and the only reason they are here is to help and yes they all know better than you so listen.
I think in it self the fact that these kids wont listen and just do the right thing completely shows their maturity level and thats one of the main reasons they should not cycle, they are kids, they think they know everything but they dont know sh*t. Wait until you are 25 and have grown up
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Cape: hard to tell from here but that just looked like a 3 pointer. He may be able to dunk but you'll win every time. Good night!
Banned
Listen up, and i'm going to be posting this in most of the threads like this I come across where guys who are too young are looking to juice,
The truth is, the potential side effects of steroid use are MOSTLY dose and duration related. Unfortunately, it's that very fact that prompts a lot of these guys here (mostly the new guys, but it even plagues experienced vets as well) to consider this particular drug use an almost benign endeavor. No one thinks they take too much. Everyone believes they have things under control. Problems only happen to the "other guy." And it's very very easy to go down that very slippery slope of thinking, and think that what you're doing is okay or that you're never taking too much just because you 'haven't had any problems so far'.
Attempting to set a guideline for responsible use of steroids isn't unlike setting boundaries for responsible alcohol use - it's too ambiguous and open to interpretation. No one ever wakes up one morning and says; "I'm going to be an alcoholic!" But it happens to millions of people each year. The same can be said for steroid use. Thousands upon thousands of men and women have sworn "I want to do just ONE cycle!" or "i'll never do more than X mg per week or stack more than X amount of compounds". Nice try. But once you've dipped into that bag of tricks, it's difficult to resist its allure and subsequent cycles are almost sure to follow. The better the gains, the greater the temptation to push the envelope further. And once you get used to feeling like Superman, it's tough to go back to being David Spade. That's when you've got a problem, whether you're willing to admit it or not. The only sane approach to steroid use, for those of us who've already decided to take the plunge, is to use them in a judicious fashion following certain stipulations. One of those stipulations being: if you're too young, stay away as long as you can until your body has matured enough and you're ready!
Once again, parameters become blurred by the individual's ability to rationalize. A tweak here and an alteration there won't make much of a difference, will it? That's what these new guys seem to be doing (even before they start their first cycle might I add!). Maybe. Maybe not. But only by staying within the boundaries can you be sure (or as close to it as possible) to avoid contraindications.
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I'm telling all my friends capebuffalo says juicing is cool at 22!!!!
Lol nah Jk mad brah, I did have to read it a couple times too.
You vets on here must hate jersey shore. I had been off this forum for a while but I don't remember there being so many 20 something's asking for advice and then getting upset by your answers
Anabolic Member
I'm not sure where this thread is going.
Question asked and answer given.
If you don't like the answer, then go ahead and do your own thing. No one here can stop you.
But very doubtful any knowledgeble members here are going to modify their advice simply because you are being difficult.
If you want an argument, go join a debate team
Last edited by Times Roman; 07-02-2012 at 11:29 AM.
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CB owned it again...
Knowledgeable Member
Who in their right mind would go up against CB anyway!?!?!
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