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hi guys,
im sure theres a million threads about this but having a little trouble finding them. what are your opionions on taking pre workout supps such as jack3d, mesomorph etc. while cycling? i just thought there may be an issue as ive heard they increase blood pressure as well.
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Yup, 100s of threads on it.
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.T_Fo-3hXZv8
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If you feel you need something, I have personally used oxyelite pro,(works well) but I stop taking it to the side effect of being a scatter brain..lol Now I just grab a red bull if necessary.
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I personally don't use preworkout supplements anymore - I just don't feel the need for those pointless substances (caffeine etc). I am currently using beta alanine which still gives you a tingling sensation and feel slightly pumped up and I am loving it - I stack it with creatine mono and it seems to be working quite well.
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thats a pretty good idea!!Originally Posted by sharmabrah
Junior Member
I have stopped using anything that gives me a pump while on course due to the mad pumps from the course its self. Starting Test E and EQ today. so have stopped the Creapump.
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I use jacked on my cycle.. test c 500mg week... it seems to work fine for me.. no issues
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OP you will be fine
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no more jack3d for me anymore.. that shit makes me crash easily.
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You do realise its the caffeine you crash off not the 1.3dmaa in jack, I take roughly 8-10x's the dose of 1.3dmaa thats in jack3d along with ephedrine and on occassion some other goodies and 0 crash, reason being there is no caffeine
Just buy bulk 1.3dmaa its far cheaper then buying jack and far more effective then the nominal amoints they put into their supp (soon to be none because its banned in most countrys worldwide now), thats why they use the caffeine, to cut costs
Last edited by DanB; 07-02-2012 at 05:44 PM.
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Agreed. Jacked is extremely bad for you - most preworkouts are and you become addicted to the caffeine. I had some mates who have been working out for three to four years and never missed taking preworkouts (white flood, jacked, mesomorph) and when they came off it they felt the worst they had with headaches, feeling sick and all that for about two or three weeks. In Australia they even had a news report on preworkout substances talking about how bad they are for you - in particular jacked. It can mess up so many things from your heart to bodily functions and even start tricking you into believing you always need caffeine. Anyway, my two cents and it's my belief that if you need something to pump you up before going to the gym then you shouldn't be going. If the only thing that motivates you is a preworkout then that's pretty sad to be honest.
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I always drink my preworkout beverage(3/4 scoop of Jack3d & 3/4 scoop of NoXplode). It doesn't do shit really, just wakes me up for about 30-45 and gives me a good pump. Plus I get all this supplement crap for free.
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dont believe everything you see or hear in the media, alot is b.s. including these reports I have in bold
Jack and other supps got bad press so they can justify banning 1.3dmaa, reason for the ban you ask? nothing to do with the supp industry, its because its is turning up in rec drug circles with various uses (i cant go into anymore detail as its against rules) its all b.s in media, dont believe it, instead dig deeper and find the truth, and you stated caffeine, sure how can they ban a supp for containing caffeine, then they would have to ban tea and coffee aswell, its all lies
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No I completely agree mate. The media is a disgrace in Australia and I often just find myself laughing at some of their stories. So much corruption in this world you can't tell the truth from the false. News stories I find are for people who are either narrow minded or the older generations who believe anything they see on television - but that's a whole other story haha. Anyway, I have heard some bad things about jacked and it's down to a matter of personal preference I suppose. I've know a few people who have studied human movements and nutrition and what have you and said the ingredients in preworkout supplements are often pointless and even harmful - often depending on the person but you know what I mean. I just don't see the need for pointless substances such as caffeine and whatever else (can't think of them at the moment) going into your body. I see some people on here saying if they go without a preworkout at the start of the day, then they become angry and tired and rude to everyone for the whole day. But if they do take it, they feel really friendly and outgoing. Don't you think that is a bit strange? First signs of becoming dependent on preworkouts and that is definitely not a good thing.
Like I said above, I just take beta alanine and I could take two scoops a day and still be under the normal range of beta alanine intake. However I just take one scoop of beta alanine and one scoop of creatine monohydrate every morning, even on non workout days. Gives you the tingling sensation without doing any harm to you. But yeah, personal preference I guess.
Anabolic Member
you will get an energy boost from the test aswell as increased aggression and drive!! I would save the pre wo supps for pct as this is where you will want that extra boost, because if your using them all the time their effect will not be as powerful, you should be cycling the pre wo supps so receptors stay fresh.
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Hey mate do you live in sydney? Im about to start first cycle i have everything down pat i think. But i really want to have a face to face chat with someone that knows there shit.
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Hey bro nah mate I live in Brisbane. I just messaged you it is easier than replying on this thread.
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What about an ECA stack?
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i've tried so many pre workouts... nothing works for me like good old 200mg caffeine phill. no crashes at all. 1hr lifting and after 30 min cardio. perfect...
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ECA is awsome! energy + fat burning
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Do you run it just prework out? Or through the day also?
Neurologically Intact
I was thinking about that. A EC stack while on a fat burning cycle. I.E. Anavar & Test or something like it.
It just sounds like it would be too much, for me at least. A EC stack gives me a hell of a pick me up. I never take a pre-workout drink while on it. Most of the time I feel like I just drank a pre-workout drink while on it.
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I know I'm a little late on this thread but its been hard to get on with my 11hr work days, but has anyone tried or like superpump 250 it works great I just had to discontinue it while I'm on clen
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If you use that before the start of every workout and for a few years you will get ****ed up trust me. So many people are addicted to caffeine without realizing it and when they stop, they feel terrible and unmotivated and even sick for several weeks. Caffeine is the most invisible drug around - so easy to get addicted to and so pointless.
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I've tried most everything. Nothing worth posting. I have not found anything that lasted long enough. Most just made me sick or put me in the bathroom ( superdump 250 ). Water has worked fine for me. Maybe a redbull or monster to wake up when I couldnt quit open my eyes.
Neurologically Intact
True dat, for the first month or 2 back in the day when I started using NoXplode I got the craps.
SuperDump < LoL!
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I see no reason that you couldnt use them if your careful.
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