Cycle Critique (my final exam :D)

**dogtags** · 07-03-2012, 06:56 PM

Im posting this cycle not because i am going to do it, but because i have been studying around here for months before i even stick myself(which first cycle will only be Test E)

this is basically just for critiques on my ability to create a cycle for myself without missing something So here it goes!

18 weeks including PCT

Week 1-4: 40mg Dbol ED / 500mg Test-E / 10mg Nolvadex ED
Week 5-10: 500mg Test-E / 10mg Nolvadex ED
Week 11&12: 500mg Test-E / 1000ui HCG / 10mg Nolvadex ED
Week 13&14: 1000iu HCG / 10mg Nolvadex ED
week 15&16: 50mg Clomid ED / 40mg Nolvadex ED
week 17&18: 25mg Clomid ED / 20mg Nolvadex ED

**papa-g** · 07-03-2012, 06:58 PM

Drop the Dbol since this it your first. Save the nolva for pct and ad an AI like adex at .25 eod through our the cycle. These are the first things that come to mind.

**DanB** · 07-03-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by papa-g

Drop the Dbol since this it your first. Save the nolva for pct and ad an AI like adex at .25 eod through our the cycle. These are the first things that come to mind.

This

I'd also run the HCG all the way through, I like my balls, it makes recovery easier especially in longer cycles and its very cheap so why not?

**papa-g** · 07-03-2012, 07:07 PM

Dan. The 18 includes his pct. 12 on 2 of and 4 for pct.

**DanB** · 07-03-2012, 07:08 PM

haha ah right, i just glanced and seen week18, I'll edit it

**papa-g** · 07-03-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

haha ah right, i just glanced and seen week18, I'll edit it

I hate when I do that. Plus would you say his hcg dose is too high. I don't know alot about it but seems high compared to what I've read.

AD · 07-03-2012, 07:13 PM

there are 2 ways to use hcg , either low dose from day1 throughout cycle (250iu 2x/wk), or high dose near or at the end of cycle (1000iu eod).

most would agree that the low dose way is better.

**dogtags** · 07-03-2012, 07:16 PM

You guys were quick on it!

okay so I have seen the 250iu 2x a week wasnt sure if it was better than the higher dose at the last week. ill do that.

are there any issues with using a AI (i have aromasin ) with HCG ?

**DanB** · 07-03-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by papa-g

I hate when I do that. Plus would you say his hcg dose is too high. I don't know alot about it but seems high compared to what I've read.

250 twice a week for me is plenty, Swifto has quoted Dr.Crisler in one of his HCG threads saying 1000 i.u is generally to high for a single dose due to its impact on estrogen (cant link it on the app) (and I agree as I recently blasted it at 1000 i.u prior to pct and felt this effect myself) so then why not benefit from the ''asthetic'' benefits if we can call them that, as well as the benefits to LH

And did I say to high before I edited? I think I meant to say too long, I cant remember lol, I think the point I was trying to make was that 18week straight on HCG may of been to long and desensitisation could well of occured, most recommend a break, opinions vary when but its generally in region of 8-12 weeks

**dogtags** · 07-03-2012, 07:25 PM

I have Stane, not aromasin sorry

**DanB** · 07-03-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by dogtags

I have Stane, not aromasin sorry

Stane is aromasin , its just ''stane'' with some r.c. suppliers from the name exemestane and aromasin is the trade name

No there wont be any issues

Although why you would be worried about issues when you arent planning to run this cycle yet have aromasin on hand and saying you will alter the HCG dosing? Your better off just being honest with people, there is several ''hyperthetical'' threads a day, it dosnt fool people.....

**dogtags** · 07-03-2012, 07:36 PM

Im seriously not running this cycle

i have 2 10ml vials of 250mg Test E, Stane, nolva and clomid and HCG in my safe. I plan on continuing after my first cycle later on in my career. I threw the dbol in there because that will be my second(assuming i do continue in the future) cycle.

I assure you, i will not be running Dbol in there. I know to stick with just the E

. hell it took me forever to get it as most sources i knew at the time kept pushing sust..

**dogtags** · 07-03-2012, 07:38 PM

The cycle i was going to run was similar to this minus the dbol and HCG .

I just figured I had that down (10 week cycle, Nolva throughout, AI as needed and a PCT) but by the sounds of it im still a bit off on things

**dogtags** · 07-03-2012, 07:50 PM

This will be the cycle i will be running (modifed by input on nolvadex )

instead if 10 weeks of Test E I will run 12, lower dose.

Week 1-12: 300mg Test-E
Week _-_?: 250ui HCG 2x Week
Week 1-12: How Much Aromasin EOD?
Week 14-18: 40/40/20/20 Nolvadex

It it my understanding that i will not be needing clomid for a cycle such as this one..

**papa-g** · 07-03-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by dogtags

This will be the cycle i will be running (modifed by input on nolvadex )

instead if 10 weeks of Test E I will run 12, lower dose.

Week 1-12: 300mg Test-E
Week _-_?: 250ui HCG 2x Week
Week 1-12: How Much Aromasin EOD?
Week 14-18: 40/40/20/20 Nolvadex

It it my understanding that i will not be needing clomid for a cycle such as this one..

Aro 12.5 mg eod to start.

**castiron** · 07-04-2012, 04:07 AM

why would one choose nolva vs clomid? this is still unclear to me. and also is hcg im or subcut?

**Dpyle** · 07-04-2012, 04:09 AM

SubQ for the hcg sir.

**dogtags** · 03-09-2013, 03:04 PM

Not to necro this thread, but I did not want to make a new topic so I will add to.

Will it be best to start the HCG 2 weeks in since it will take roughly that long for the Test-E to kick in? would be a bit of a waste in the first 2 weeks no?