*Dream PCT* (Without Clomid)

[BostonDParty]

If money isn't an issue what would a dream PCT be for a 12 week test E cycle.

Currently I have 20,000 ius HCG - (250iu 2x a week, plenty left for a blast?)

Also using aromasin 12.5mg eod

I have Nolva as well


Was considering picking up some Torem, possibly even switching to prop near the end of cycle.

Any suggestions from any vets? Looking for recover as quick as possible to retain gains, currently in week 7.

[Capebuffalo]

Your 7 weeks in to a cycle and just now planning your PCT? Why without clomid?

[BostonDParty]

Your 7 weeks in to a cycle and just now planning your PCT? Why without clomid?

Already planned with Nolva, just starting to get scared sh!tless of PCT lol and figured I'd ask if adding torem or something else would improve it

and I know clomid vision sides arent a for sure thing, but it is just something that I cannot afford to do

[Capebuffalo]

I have never had any vision problems on clomid. Others have, at higher doses. I would adjust if needed.

[Simon1972]

nolva is better than clomid iMO- its newer- less researched for use on men but from all accounts good to go and alot of guys are happy with it.

if you have nolva and no clomid- its not an issue

Aromasin is also good- be careful you dont take too much- you dont want estrogen to crash. maybe use nolva and aromasin if you feel itchy nipples. otherwise 12.5 eod sounds fine

[Capebuffalo]

nolva is better than clomid iMO- its newer- less researched for use on men but from all accounts good to go and alot of guys are happy with it.

if you have nolva and no clomid- its not an issue

Aromasin is also good- be careful you dont take too much- you dont want estrogen to crash. maybe use nolva and aromasin if you feel itchy nipples. otherwise 12.5 eod sounds fine

Most anabolic steroids, especially the androgens, cause inhibition of the body's own testosterone production. When a bodybuilder comes off a steroid cycle, natural testosterone production is zero and the levels of the steroids taken in the blood are diminishing. This leaves the ratios of catabolic : anabolic hormones in the blood high, hence the body is in a state of catabolism, and, as a result, much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost.

Clomid stimulates the hypothalamus to, in turn stimulant the anterior pituitary gland (aka hypophysis) to release gonadotrophic hormones. The gonadotrophic hormones are follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH - aka interstitial cell stimulating hormone (ICSH)). FSH stimulates the testes to produce more testosterone, and LH stimulates them to secrete more testosterone. This feedback mechanism is known as the hypothalamic-pituitary-testes axis (HPTA), and results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production and blood levels rise, to, in part, compensate for the diminishing levels of exogenous steroids. This is vital to minimise post cycle muscle losses.

Not all steroids do cause shut down of the feedback mechanism. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need Clomid or not.

Clomid also works as an anti-oestrogen. As it's a weak synthetic oestrogen, it binds to oestrogen receptors on cells blocking them to oestrogen in the blood. This minimises the negative effects like gynecomastia and water retention that may be a result of oestrogen that has aromatised from testosterone.

Clomid does not, as is often thought, stimulate the release of natural testosterone, but rather works at reducing the oestrogenic inhibition caused by the steroid cycle. It does this in a similar manner to the way it and Nolvadex block oestrogen receptors in nipples to combat gyno development, i.e. by blocking the oestrogen receptors in the hypothalamus and pituitary thus reducing the inhibition from the elevated oestrogen. This allows LH levels to return to normal, or even above normal levels, and in turn, natural testosterone levels to also normalise.

[HawaiianPride.]

I can see dream cycles, but your PCT should always be top of the line. Recovery is vitally important. Torem/Nolva>all else in regards to SERMS.

[BostonDParty]

thanks for the info guys

so I'm debating adding the clomid with the nolva or the torem

Also I have a ton of HCG and have been using 250iu 2x a week while on

I have a question about a blast tho, do I start the blast (of say 500iu ED for a week) the day after my last pin, or wait until the test has cleared my system because I've seen both

[HawaiianPride.]

2 SERMS will suffice.