Lbs of mass expected to gain from cycle

**dogtags** · 07-06-2012, 12:23 PM

Hello.

Was just curious what a reasonable amount of solid weight I would expect to gain from a 12 week test-e cycle (@300mg/wk). And at how many calories over maintenance?

**gixxerboy1** · 07-06-2012, 12:26 PM

way to many variable to give an accurate answer

**DigitalGorilla** · 07-06-2012, 12:49 PM

Yea...you can gain weight, lose weight, gain mass, stay the same ...all depends on what you want, how you work out , what you eat....

what are your goals? Im assuming to increase in muslce mass and get bigger all around? Are you trying to drop BF?

**DigitalGorilla** · 07-06-2012, 12:50 PM

And im assuming its your first cycle? IMO - 300 a week is too low. Try 250 twice a week....

How old are you?

**dogtags** · 07-06-2012, 01:47 PM

Not really concerned about losing BF, I am cutting currently until I feel I'm at a comfortable %(9-11). I don't plan on eating so much that my Bf% stays the same... If I gain 10 lbs of lean muscle my BF should drop.

What I don't understand is how much more is expected. People talk of a NORMAL bulk cycle not on AAS making gains of 1-2 lbs a week. That would be ~24lbs at the end of a 12 week cycle... Seems like a pipe dream as I have never been able to gain a healthy 2lbs a week...

**dogtags** · 07-06-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by DigitalGorilla

And im assuming its your first cycle? IMO - 300 a week is too low. Try 250 twice a week....

How old are you?

From my understanding 500mg for a first cycle is overkill, that I could gain the same results with 100-200mg less. Not true?

**gixxerboy1** · 07-06-2012, 01:50 PM

you can gain on 300mg

**DigitalGorilla** · 07-06-2012, 01:54 PM

300 is the LOWEST I have ever heard of anyone taking....but IMO 500 is the least you should go...but its up to you...do a cycle and post the results

**dogtags** · 07-06-2012, 01:55 PM

Stats:

26
5'11"
189lbs
17% BF

I will start my cycle when my BF drops below 12%.

**DigitalGorilla** · 07-06-2012, 01:56 PM

And to answer your previous...its all about what you are aiming for. My aim was to lose weight....so I took test with anavar and ate only 1800 cal a day ...stayed under 20 grams of fat most days.....so - after 9 weeks on cycle...I lost another 12 lbs....but my bench press increased by almost 100lbs

**gixxerboy1** · 07-06-2012, 01:56 PM

my first cycle was 250mg's every 5 days. And i was very happy with my results. Most males dont make 100mg a week. So you can get gains by tripling your natural levels

**Angel of death** · 07-06-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

my first cycle was 250mg's every 5 days. And i was very happy with my results. Most males dont make 100mg a week. So you can get gains by tripling your natural levels

Absolutely agree with this. I've made gains on 300mgs a week. I've also made gains and had some GREAT workouts on 5mg of dbol a day used as a kickstart. Theres a BIG difference between no steroids and steroids, maybe some body types need high doses but I sure as hell never did

**DigitalGorilla** · 07-06-2012, 02:01 PM

That i agree with -- The average male makes about 35 Mgs a week I think...

**dmk327** · 07-06-2012, 09:37 PM

Realistically 3-5 lbs

**< <Samson> >** · 07-06-2012, 09:44 PM

I liked 500mg's a week. It worked well and it's kind of a typical dose. 250mg's per Ml. If I got some 200mg's per Ml, I would still just do 2 Ml's per week. If you like the EOD shots prop is still way better, just saying.

If you are trying to get bigger and have a good diet I would shoot for 12-16Lbs. of retain-able LBM. I think this only does apply to the first 2-3 cycles.