2nd cycle

**Faceless Rider** · 07-07-2012, 11:08 PM

Hello All,

I have experience with test e and dbol . I was too young most would say but my results were great and no neg sides.

Its been a couple years now and I feel I'm ready. My diet is clean, my trainning is tight and its all thanks to this sight and all of you. I've been studying on here for a little over two years and hitting the gym with aggression!

I'm 25, 5 11, and 185lbs with 12% bodyfat

Because of availability I'm choosing test prop for my cycle with dbol. I know many say dbol is pointless with prop but had a great reaction to it before and don't plan on over doing it.

**Faceless Rider** · 07-07-2012, 11:10 PM

prop weeks 1-10 at 50mg per day
dbol weeks 1- 4 at 40mg per day

HCG weeks 3-10 at 250 iu 2x per week
Adex weeks 1-10 at .25 mg per day

Clomid and Nolvadex for pct. would love some dose suggestions as i'm using both.
taking creatine monohydrate after cycle to assist in keeping gains alittle
have UDCA from ---along with milk thistle, pumkin seed oil,saw palmetto, hawthorn berrie, multivitamin.

I know the prop isn't recomended for a newbie but I've been inj. B12 for years and i'm planning on using grapeseed oil(sterile/filtered)

I was wondering if using the dbol for two weeks before the prop (making a total of six weeks) would be worth it at all or would it be a bad idea? I've never seen it on this site before but need confirmation.

My goal is a clean bulk

Thanks for any comments on this cycle plan, advice is greatly appreciated and I will listen

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-08-2012, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Faceless Rider

prop weeks 1-10 at 50mg per day
dbol weeks 1- 4 at 40mg per day

HCG weeks 3-10 at 250 iu 2x per week
Adex weeks 1-10 at .25 mg per day

Clomid and Nolvadex for pct. would love some dose suggestions as i'm using both.
taking creatine monohydrate after cycle to assist in keeping gains alittle
have UDCA from ---along with milk thistle, pumkin seed oil,saw palmetto, hawthorn berrie, multivitamin.

I know the prop isn't recomended for a newbie but I've been inj. B12 for years and i'm planning on using grapeseed oil(sterile/filtered)

I was wondering if using the dbol for two weeks before the prop (making a total of six weeks) would be worth it at all or would it be a bad idea? I've never seen it on this site before but need confirmation.

My goal is a clean bulk

Thanks for any comments on this cycle plan, advice is greatly appreciated and I will listen

Cycle looks properly planned. Doses look fine. I personally don't feel the need to excess over 30mg ED on the oral.
Prop usually isn't recommended for beginners due to the injection frequency and compound potency rather than a painful shot.
The dbol should be fine. It's notorious for BP elevation and cramps IMO vs. water retention that most people like to bash on it for.
Tamox for 6 weeks @ 20mg ED does it for me. Clomiphene between 25-50 @ same duration.
Monitor blood work pre/during/post.

**Faceless Rider** · 07-08-2012, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by 1''pecker

wasn't you just on my thread telling me how bad it is to start cycling at my age, and you just did at 20.

but serious, was you able to maintain most of those gains?

No brother I was 22...now I'm 25 and if you read my new male members thread I do mention that it was a mistake for the same reasons I said it would be for you. I wasn't ready at the time. Yes I made out ok and kept my balls but If I had waited it would have made for a better cycle. Truly I'm considering this upcoming cycle to be my first and I'm trying to treat it like that...my first idea was to jump on prop, ace and masteron but had to humble myself because I am definitly a newbie by every definition. At 25 I feel I'm ready for a test/dbol run. Are steroids a nesesity for me right now? no. But I've hit some plateus and my wife is a nurse working with a doctor I went to school with so I'll be monitored pre during and post cycle. That gives me serious piece of mind. I mostly said your not ready because in your threat it was clear you haden't done the research yet. But seriously man aside from some of your funnyier posts I can tell you a smart guy who really wants justification for his first cycle and wants it NOW. Its a natural feeling in todays bbing culture to want to get on the juice and I don't blame you for craving the stuff but the facts are the facts, people your age and older have done permanent damage, the worst kind of damage, from their first cycle causing sides like enlarged prostate, bich tits, no more boners, liver issues all these things that turned them from fit individuals to guys with no self esteem and depression because they couldn't find themselves anymore. Your internal organs and hormones and the way they function play a huge huge part in your personality and life quality. Thats my warning and in the end you'll do what you want and nobody here is gonna hate you for it. but seriously do your research on everything you need to prepare before during and after getting on the gear....BEFORE you get on it. I give you permission to post your questions about sh*t on my thread right here and I will point you to references on this site for the proper info...hell you can even post your proposed first cycle with dosages and lengths and pct questions and I and some others will give you our $.2

**Faceless Rider** · 07-08-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Cycle looks properly planned. Doses look fine. I personally don't feel the need to excess over 30mg ED on the oral.
Prop usually isn't recommended for beginners due to the injection frequency and compound potency rather than a painful shot.
The dbol should be fine. It's notorious for BP elevation and cramps IMO vs. water retention that most people like to bash on it for.
Tamox for 6 weeks at 20mg ED does it for me. Clomiphene between 25-50 at same duration.
Monitor blood work pre/during/post.

Thanks HawaiianPride I have no problem keeping my oral at 30mg ed to start. I feel I'm pretty good at injections and although I haven't experienced ed shots I'm going to give it a try. As for props potentcy 350mg a week for a newbie should be alright shouldn't it? I wanted to go higher at first (75mg ed) but thought Id play it safer. and I hear ya on the monitoring blood work my buddy is a small town doc whos got my back. I will be staring in a few weeks and posting weekly pics in the apropriote forum

thanks again

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-08-2012, 09:28 AM

350mg PW is more than enough, you'll be good.

**Faceless Rider** · 07-08-2012, 09:29 AM

solid thanks I'm pumped!

**Faceless Rider** · 07-08-2012, 10:35 AM

prop weeks 1-10 at 50mg per day
dbol weeks 1- 4 at 30mg per day

HCG weeks 3-10 at 250 iu 2x per week
Adex weeks 1-10 at .25 mg per day

PCT:
Clomid at 50mg(tappering down) ed for six weeks
Nolvadex at 20mg ed for six weeks

taking creatine monohydrate after cycle to assist in keeping gains alittle
have UDCA from --- along with milk thistle, pumkin seed oil,saw palmetto, hawthorn berrie, multivitamin.

So assuming my diet and lifting is tight anyone care to speculate what my goal weight should be after pct is said and done
I am starting at 185lbs/ 5 11, 10% bf going for a clean bulk what would a sensible goal be?