when to start tren

**Mpd22** · 07-08-2012, 07:47 AM

whatsup everyone....im starting my first test+winny cycle real soon.
But my question is, when is tren doable for a user?
I know tren is not a good idea for a first cycle. but why?
and when would one say your ready for tren?

**big and musclar** · 07-08-2012, 08:19 AM

tren is very androgenic it may speed hair loss, prostate enlargement for people who sensitive for anrogenics so it is favorable to use test to know how will your body respond to steroids you may add some d-bol
tren also increase LDL and reduce HDL more than any steroid it needs to avoid saturated fat as possible and maintain cardio training program to avoid cardiovascular diseases

**gixxerboy1** · 07-08-2012, 10:45 AM

tren has alot of sides. I would say to use it when other drugs dont give the results you want. Why take something stronger then you have too.
Also when you know how your body responds to drugs, how to manage side effects and recover.

**Mpd22** · 07-08-2012, 11:49 AM

alright yeah i was just reading up on tren , and i know it gives you really good size and definition with proper cardio and diet,
it doesnt convert to estrogen and most gains you get will most likely be kept unlike test

**gixxerboy1** · 07-08-2012, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mpd22

alright yeah i was just reading up on tren , and i know it gives you really good size and definition with proper cardio and diet,
it doesnt convert to estrogen and most gains you get will most likely be kept unlike test

i dont know what your reading. Cardio sucks on tren, tren can raise progesterone,
actual gains are no more likely kept or lost on any steroid then another

**technodrome** · 07-08-2012, 12:02 PM

I finished my first cycle of Test. Last injection one month ago. 2 weeks into PCT. I gained 27 pounds. Vast majority of it was muscle. Since i started PCT i have gained an additional 3 pounds. Started at 190, now i'm 220.

If a guy can get those kind of results from Test onlya with a good diet, Then trust me dude, No need to experiment with any other compounds just yet.

My next cycle, guess what, test only, why mess with a good thing man..... Test only works...!!!!!!

**Mpd22** · 07-08-2012, 12:03 PM

just found articles on internet but always good to ask here to get a first hand perspective

**Mpd22** · 07-08-2012, 12:06 PM

well im starting my test+winny cycle real soon, so im sure ill be more than satisfied with my results,
hearing from everyone on here than test always does the trick, with proper diet and cardio of course

**technodrome** · 07-08-2012, 12:20 PM

Ya, You'll be happy with it. As far as i'm concerned i'll be happy if i never have to resort to taking tren in my entire life.

How much test and winny are you gonna take? What kind of test??

My dose was 500mg test enth per week. Worked good. But i guess i can't call it a test only cycle. I was on Provirion too, frontloaded with a mear 20mg dbol per day, (but that did nothing other then bloat me up) also took winny, 40mg per day, but only for the last 5 weeks.

**technodrome** · 07-08-2012, 12:23 PM

Just a little warning. I had zero side effects the entire time. Until i took winny. Caused mild acne on my shoulders. Mild, fine, but i still hate it. And its still there weeks after i've stopped. I won't be including winny in any future cycles.

**Jonnyg419** · 07-08-2012, 12:44 PM

I'm planning on doing my second Test Cycle in Jan, next time I am gonna add Dbol for the first four weeks so that I can start getting gains quicker, I have read a lot of great things about how anabolic Tren is too, but the sides just sound too powerful for me. I agree with what a lot of you said, why even bother until what I am doing now doesnt stop working

**technodrome** · 07-08-2012, 12:55 PM

Agreed. Frontloading is good. Because waiting that full month for my test enth sucked. And only 20mg of dbol per day did nothing. So go for at least 40mg per day if your going to go that route.

Me personally. I'm going to frontload with Test Prop for the first month while i wait for my test enth to kick in.

**Mpd22** · 07-08-2012, 02:31 PM

im going to run test e for 12 weeks at 500mg a week, then run winny
around week 6-12 at 50mg a day

**ScotchGuard02** · 07-08-2012, 07:03 PM

The original question of when to start Tren ? I tried my first cycle of Tren 4 years after I did my first cycle. I figured that was long enough for my body to get used to Test. Like gixxer says, why use something stronger then what you need? On my first cycle of Tren I got shut down so hard I'm still recovering. I can get an erection but I can't climax. Tren's really harsh stuff. If you like your muscles more then sex, go for it. Otherwise, give your body a few years.

**Faceless Rider** · 07-08-2012, 07:31 PM

Hey ScotchGuard02 what was your pct on that tren cycle and what other gear did you use with it? did you use hcg throughout cycle? That sounds like a cons outweigh the pros senario for sure man definitly a good warning for many.

**ScotchGuard02** · 07-08-2012, 07:35 PM

I've been cycling for 5 years. I've been on HGH 5iu/ed for 5 years. This was my Tren cycle. Test Prop 500mg/wk, Tren A 350mg/wk, HCG 250iu 2/wk, HGH 5iu/ed, adex .25mg eod, wait 3 days, PCT w/ Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50. Pretty standard cycle, nothing irregular. Tren just shut me down like a bank safe.

**Faceless Rider** · 07-08-2012, 08:33 PM

wow thanks for that. And yes from everything I read thats a really smart test/tren cycle. exactly what I wanted to do for my second cycle but I humbled myself recently and am choosing prop with dbol . Even still I was hoping to work my way up to that exact cycle some day and now I'm thinking of forgetting it. I guess even playing this game smart anything can happen.

thanks for sharing that ScotchGuard2

**Jonnyg419** · 07-08-2012, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

The original question of when to start Tren? I tried my first cycle of Tren 4 years after I did my first cycle. I figured that was long enough for my body to get used to Test. Like gixxer says, why use something stronger then what you need? On my first cycle of Tren I got shut down so hard I'm still recovering. I can get an erection but I can't climax. Tren's really harsh stuff. If you like your muscles more then sex, go for it. Otherwise, give your body a few years.

I can agree with that, I am 27 now, for my 30th Birthday I am gonna buy myself a monster Tren cycle hahaha

**Rwy** · 07-08-2012, 08:46 PM

Tren scares the shit out of me. I would never try it. I might have when I was younger but not at my age now.

**Jonnyg419** · 07-08-2012, 09:19 PM

I feel if I were to ever actually do it I would start at a rel low dose, and no matter what I would be doing test so at least I would be getting tiny gains, and as I slowly feel more comfortable I would work my way up, it is not even the sweats or the sleep loss possibility that scare me, it is the sexual dysfunction thing. I know how everybody says it is for the love of bodybuilding and all that good motivational sh**, but in real life what is the point of being built like an animal if your dic* doesn't work.......and with that said I am still considering using it in the future.

**technodrome** · 07-08-2012, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnyg419

I feel if I were to ever actually do it I would start at a rel low dose, and no matter what I would be doing test so at least I would be getting tiny gains, and as I slowly feel more comfortable I would work my way up, it is not even the sweats or the sleep loss possibility that scare me, it is the sexual dysfunction thing. I know how everybody says it is for the love of bodybuilding and all that good motivational sh**, but in real life what is the point of being built like an animal if your dic* doesn't work.......and with that said I am still considering using it in the future.

Ya i'm kind of avoiding the temptation to use deca for the very same reason. It seems most people say with Cabergoline and a base of testostorone then limp dick caused by the 19nor compounds can be avoided.. But damn... I don't want the be the acception that dose everything rite and still gets screwed over....

I feel for ya Scotchguard, Thanks for the warning anyhow...

**Rwy** · 07-08-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

The original question of when to start Tren? I tried my first cycle of Tren 4 years after I did my first cycle. I figured that was long enough for my body to get used to Test. Like gixxer says, why use something stronger then what you need? On my first cycle of Tren I got shut down so hard I'm still recovering. I can get an erection but I can't climax. Tren's really harsh stuff. If you like your muscles more then sex, go for it. Otherwise, give your body a few years.

wow how long has it been since you finished your cycle

**stpete** · 07-09-2012, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnyg419

I feel if I were to ever actually do it I would start at a rel low dose, and no matter what I would be doing test so at least I would be getting tiny gains, and as I slowly feel more comfortable I would work my way up, it is not even the sweats or the sleep loss possibility that scare me, it is the sexual dysfunction thing. I know how everybody says it is for the love of bodybuilding and all that good motivational sh**, but in real life what is the point of being built like an animal if your dic* doesn't work.......and with that said I am still considering using it in the future.

It would be because we look so goood, all these broads would just assume our dick works. I take viagra and 200mgs of dhea. haha....