i see alot if cycles adding b vitamins in conjunction with AAS. What is the purpose of this? I take a multi anyways, is that sufficient or is more needed?
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i see alot if cycles adding b vitamins in conjunction with AAS. What is the purpose of this? I take a multi anyways, is that sufficient or is more needed?
More isn't "needed" in my opinion and from what I've read on here. You should google the info on B vitamins and find out what each of them is typically used for. I personally love injecting vitamin B12 and will be doing so during my upcoming second cycle and especially into pct. I find it adds energy and helps with my apetite.
B6 is said to aid with side effects related to Tren and gyno although it is no replacement for caber or prami when things get out of hand (this is based on what 've read in other threads not my own experience) I think its more of a preventative measure on a cycle containing tren.
thats all I really know. I'd say with ur average cycle a multi is good but I love my B12 inj on or off cycle (placebo?...maybe)
Injectable B12 causes a very good appetite increase, which would be a great aid when trying to take in appropriate calories for building muscle mass.
Arguably the most important vitamin you could supplement with would be vit D. It's literally in every cell in the body, great for overall health and well being. The best part is that it will raise your free T by lowering your shbg level. Who doesn't want higher free T?
Kelkel whats your vitamin D dosage? I agree its important but how much should you take orally to absorb a good amount?
Great comment. I totally agree. One of the best PCT additions is vitamin D lol. Almost all of us are highly deficient in vitamin D, we should ALL be supplementing with it. If you could choose one vitamin to supplement with, it should be D!Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
I use 10,000iu per day. Started doing this a while ago and the first thing I noticed 4 days into it was increased overall wakefulness and energy. No, not the same type as caffeine and stimulants, but an overall more 'ready to get up and go on with my day' type of energy/wakefulness after waking up in the morning. I also noticed that I was far more capable during the day after occasionally getting less sleep the night before (i.e. if I get 6 hours of sleep one night instead of my usual 8, i'd normally feel like i'm dragging my ass throughout the following day). I experienced much less of the 'dragging my ass' type of fatigue feeling throughout the day as well. Definitely a noted improvement on overall well being.
There is an overabundance of clinical studies out there showing that low vitamin d corresponds with a low level of testosterone. In these studies, subjects who were administered higher amounts of vitamin D over time demonstrated vast increases in total testosterone levels, and decreases in SHBG. People who have been supplementing with vitamin D and getting regular bloodwork at their doctors are seeing large boosts in their total and free testosterone levels about a month or 2 after supplementing with D.
Thanks for opening up my eyes on the D vitamin. Isn't that the vitamin that's absorbed threw the sun?? I work far the north of Canada on an oil rig. We can have like 21 hours of dark in the dead of winter. Also if your on night shift you don't see the sun for weeks and weeks,, some people months. The safety department occasionally passes out flyers about the dangers of vitamin D deficiency.
I'll be getting some, actually i'm gonna check if its in my multivitimin because, If a guy takes every vitimin that is beneficial to him in pill forum, You can end up with quite the handful of pills per day. Gotta be hard on the kidneys.
I take B vitamins too, great for energy, however if your already taking energy drinks, have a look, alot of those weird chemical names you probably don't understand are really just technical names for various B vitamins. I've done some research on B vitamins. They are VITAL for anyone, everyone, everything, and anything. Take a good b complex tablet at very least.
Agree. I do 5000iu 5 days a week, the other 2 days I do 50,000 per day. Also do pregenelone, rhodiola and DHEA daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
I think you would benefit from vitamin D supplementation considering your job and location. Most of us are already deficient in D, and from the sound of it most of us get more sun than you do! I personally don't have the time to bake myself in the sun daily to get my D from it, and the way I see it I have no idea how many iu i'm getting if I do that anyways. I'd rather just supplement it orally, but it has been said that the best way of getting it is exposure to the sun.
I can guarantee you that the amounts of D in your multivitamin are minimal to the point that you're still extremely deficient in it. Most multivitamins I have seen only contain tiny amounts in the range of 200-400iu (i've seen even less - like 40iu). The best multivitamins i've seen contain 1,000iu. Its best to buy it separately and supplement it there.
When you buy it, make sure its D3 (Cholecalciferol). Nearly 100% of the D bottles on the shelves in vitamin stores will be D3 anyways, as that is the primary form that humans use and is produced by the subcutaneous cholesterol when sunlight hits your skin.
Be careful with the 50,000iu per day. Clinial studies demonstrated that the toxic level of D is anything equal to or more than 40,000iu per day. I'm not sure for how long though. 2 days shouldn't be an issue, but i'd be careful.Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
When I found out I was low (less than 25) I got on prescription Drisdol which is 50k IU one time a week. Checked my level in 3 months and it was up to 80. When the script runs out I'll get on OTC stuff. There have been some great threads on it over in the TRT forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rider
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20050857
http://www.muscular development.com/articles/nutrition/2410-low-vitamin-d-level-lowers-testosterone-levels.html (close the space to open)
It's prescribed. I have a deficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomini
B12 will help with appetite,,energy and good sense of well being.Quote:
Originally Posted by castiron
Helps w/prolactin. And no, you should take more than a multi. Hell, leave it out all together. 1,000mgs of vit C, B-1, B-6 and B-12 should be staples as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by castiron
Oral Vitamin B12 any good?
In my opinion, taking B-complex on a daily basis while on cycle is a very good idea almost to the point of being mandatory. B vitamins are water soluable and due to the increased metabolism and huge amounts of water most athletes injest we process them very quickly. In addition due to the amounts of protein we eat and the poor balance of the diet most of us need far more (B vitamins) than the average Joe.
There are really no down sides to extra B's ( within reason of course ) as the extra is easily eliminated through secretion.