Transition from Test Prop to Enanthate - questions......

[Supertotal]

Whats the best way to transition from prop to enanthate? I'm on prop right now but would like to switch to something I can pin every 4 days or even every week. Enanthate is the shortest of the (common) longer esters, and I have some handy. Do I start the enanthate now and stay on the prop for a while? How long?

Other questions:

I am paranoid of gyno, and think I may be prone to it. Will injecting both (I assume at working HRT dosages) compound my chances of sides? So far I've been safe with the prop at 100mg EOD. Will adding enanthate (at my planned dose of 250mg a week) to my dropped prop dose of 50mg EOD effectively give me 425mg test a week? or does the slow-acting ester have slow-acting side effects? I've not read anything about this specifically. I didn't want to dose that high right now.

Or was 8 injections of prop at 100mg and one at 140mg not enough to matter? Maybe I should just go right into the enanthate tomorrow and not worry about the prop? It was only an 18-day prop cycle if i switch esters tomorrow...... pretty short. I did kind of want to bulk during this slow interim period though.

Also, what is the best way to avoid the puffed-out 'moonface' look once I go on the longer ester? A couple guys at my gym on the same stuff I'm getting have it, and its obvious. I do NOT want it. I have Nolvadex on hand and am getting some Arimidex tomorrow.

[ScotchGuard02]

Whats the best way to transition from prop to enanthate? I'm on prop right now but would like to switch to something I can pin every 4 days or even every week. Enanthate is the shortest of the (common) longer esters, and I have some handy. Do I start the enanthate now and stay on the prop for a while? How long?

It's still a good idea to pin Test E twice a week. If you want to go once a week you should look at Test Cyp

Other questions:

I am paranoid of gyno, and think I may be prone to it. Will injecting both (I assume at working HRT dosages) compound my chances of sides? So far I've been safe with the prop at 100mg EOD. Will adding enanthate (at my planned dose of 250mg a week) to my dropped prop dose of 50mg EOD effectively give me 425mg test a week? or does the slow-acting ester have slow-acting side effects? I've not read anything about this specifically. I didn't want to dose that high right now.

It takes 4 weeks for the Test E ester to kick in. I takes Test Prop just a day. Once the Test E kicks in, yes, your dose will be 425mg/wk

Or was 8 injections of prop at 100mg and one at 140mg not enough to matter? Maybe I should just go right into the enanthate tomorrow and not worry about the prop? It was only an 18-day prop cycle if i switch esters tomorrow...... pretty short. I did kind of want to bulk during this slow interim period though.

Test Prop works pretty fast. 18 days (9 injections) is enough to start shutting you down. I would start Test E and keep up the Test P for 3 more weeks until the Test E kicks in then drop the Test P and keep going with the Test E.

Also, what is the best way to avoid the puffed-out 'moonface' look once I go on the longer ester? A couple guys at my gym on the same stuff I'm getting have it, and its obvious. I do NOT want it. I have Nolvadex on hand and am getting some Arimidex tomorrow.

Long ester like Test E doesn't give you "moonface". Stuff like dbol give you "moonface". I wouldn't worry about it. Longer esters require more water to break it down so you'll retain a little more water. I you don't want to retain the water the stick with the Prop.

[tboney]

Long ester like Test E doesn't give you "moonface". Stuff like dbol give you "moonface". I wouldn't worry about it. Longer esters require more water to break it down so you'll retain a little more water. I you don't want to retain the water the stick with the Prop.

I always get some bloating on test...prop is not quite as bad but still gives me some bloat. The key for me to not get the bloat on any compound is to keep sodium intake low and estro in check. I dont agree that test cant give you bloat "moonface" or whatever....

[FireGuy]

Long ester like Test E doesn't give you "moonface". Stuff like dbol give you "moonface". I wouldn't worry about it. Longer esters require more water to break it down so you'll retain a little more water. I you don't want to retain the water the stick with the Prop.

Curious if this is your theory or do you have any evidence to support this statement?

[cjr579]

I always get some bloating on test...prop is not quite as bad but still gives me some bloat. The key for me to not get the bloat on any compound is to keep sodium intake low and estro in check. I dont agree that test cant give you bloat "moonface" or whatever....

An AI gets rid of bloat from test

[Supertotal]

Tomorrow I get a bottle of prop and a few bottles of enanthate, plus a bottle of arimidex.

So I guess I should continue to shoot the prop EOD, and reduce the dose over the next 3 weeks, and shoot the enanthate at my full desired dose starting the same time, but only every 4 days?

Basically:

Day 1 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 3 - prop 70mg
Day 5 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 7 - prop 70mg
Day 9 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 11 - prop 70mg
Day 13 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 15 - prop 70mg
Day 17 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 19 - prop 70mg
Day 21 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg (reduce prop dose)
Day 23 - prop 50mg
Day 25 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 27 - prop 50mg
Day 29 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 31 - prop 50mg
Day 33 - enanthate 250mg every 4 days for next 3 months. (drop prop, up enanthate dose)
Day 50 - add in anavar 50-80mgED
Day 100 - competition

250mg enanthate every 4 days is 437mg a week, which comes out to around 320mg actual test a week, more than I'm taking now. If after a while I'm not happy with that I can bump it up some.


How's my math?

[warmouth]

WOW, thats a long cycle!

[tboney]

Curious if this is your theory or do you have any evidence to support this statement?

That was my thought as well....

[FireGuy]

I gotta admit I have never heard of that before either. I am going to assume that the lack of a response means it was his theory.

[FireGuy]

I would also take exception to the advice of being able to pin Test E and Test C at different intervals. Whether you believe it should be once a week or twice doesnt matter. They are virtually identical. To suggest E needs to be twice a week while C can be done once a week doesnt make sense.

[Capebuffalo]

I would also take exception to the advice of being able to pin Test E and Test C at different intervals. Whether you believe it should be once a week or twice doesnt matter. They are virtually identical. To suggest E needs to be twice a week while C can be done once a week doesnt make sense.

The only difference is what at the 8 th carbon molecule ? Near identical.

[Supertotal]

Bump.

Tomorrow I get a bottle of prop and a few bottles of enanthate, plus a bottle of arimidex.

So I guess I should continue to shoot the prop EOD, and reduce the dose over the next 3 weeks, and shoot the enanthate at my full desired dose starting the same time, but only every 4 days?

Basically:

Day 1 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 3 - prop 70mg
Day 5 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 7 - prop 70mg
Day 9 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 11 - prop 70mg
Day 13 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 15 - prop 70mg
Day 17 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 19 - prop 70mg
Day 21 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg (reduce prop dose)
Day 23 - prop 50mg
Day 25 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 27 - prop 50mg
Day 29 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 31 - prop 50mg
Day 33 - enanthate 250mg every 4 days for next 3 months. (drop prop, up enanthate dose)
Day 50 - add in anavar 50-80mgED
Day 100 - competition

250mg enanthate every 4 days is 437mg a week, which comes out to around 320mg actual test a week, more than I'm taking now. If after a while I'm not happy with that I can bump it up some.


How's my math?

[Supertotal]

Tomorrow I get a bottle of prop and a few bottles of enanthate, plus a bottle of arimidex.

So I guess I should continue to shoot the prop EOD, and reduce the dose over the next 3 weeks, and shoot the enanthate at my full desired dose starting the same time, but only every 4 days?

Basically:

Day 1 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 3 - prop 70mg
Day 5 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 7 - prop 70mg
Day 9 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 11 - prop 70mg
Day 13 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 15 - prop 70mg
Day 17 - prop 70mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 19 - prop 70mg
Day 21 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg (reduce prop dose)
Day 23 - prop 50mg
Day 25 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 27 - prop 50mg
Day 29 - prop 50mg + enanthate 200mg
Day 31 - prop 50mg
Day 33 - enanthate 250mg every 4 days for next 3 months. (drop prop, up enanthate dose)
Day 50 - add in anavar 50-80mgED
Day 100 - competition

250mg enanthate every 4 days is 437mg a week, which comes out to around 320mg actual test a week, more than I'm taking now. If after a while I'm not happy with that I can bump it up some.


How's my math?

Anyone....??????

[Swifto]

I would also take exception to the advice of being able to pin Test E and Test C at different intervals. Whether you believe it should be once a week or twice doesnt matter. They are virtually identical. To suggest E needs to be twice a week while C can be done once a week doesnt make sense.

I'm glad you pointed out both pieces of nonsense as I was about too.

[Supertotal]

The ORIGINAL poster has asked for help here several times, and everyone keeps bumping the random hijack post????