First Cycle. Test E. Hcg. Arimidex. Post cycle Nolva/Clomid

**RobTee** · 07-10-2012, 07:11 AM

Hi Guys,

Stats:
Age: 26
Height: 6ft
Weight: 100kg
BF %: Guessing mid to high teens

I would like to run a cycle to put on some mass whilst hardening up/leaning out a little.. then cut full on naturally.
Basically would like to add 5kgs of muscle whilsts dropping to 12-14% bf? Possible?

I'm thinking 1ml of 250mg Test E Twice Weekly for 12 weeks.
Arimidex 0.25 ED.
HcG : Weeks 2 - 12 250iu twice weekly.
Post cycle clomid with DAA.

I have Clomid, and Nolva on hand for PCT.
I am well stocked up and have some Dbols but thinking I will just run simple test based.

Advice, criticism is much appreciated.

**DeadlyD** · 07-10-2012, 07:19 AM

Everything looks good, it is advised to get your BF down to 15% before cycle, ....give or take a few percent

**RobTee** · 07-10-2012, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by DeadlyD

Everything looks good, it is advised to get your BF down to 15% before cycle, ....give or take a few percent

Okay. I am aware of the estrogen related sides if running at high bf. But if I am running Adex will it matter so much?

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-10-2012, 07:26 AM

What's your training history like?

**Flacco** · 07-10-2012, 07:29 AM

12-15% BF drop is kind of steep in just 12 weeks. Unless you plan on this being a cutting cycle. Which based on your goals, I would recommend. Just because you're not trying to bulk, doesn't mean that you won't put on muscle mass if you diet is in check. I'm not a nutritionist. Post your diet/stats/goals in the nutrition section for feedback. To cut that much fat, you'll probably get advice to cut your cals down and keep your protein intake up. Focus on cardio a few times a week. If you eat to bulk, your gonna probably remain at the same BF, maybe drop a little. 10 lbs of muscle and 15% reduction in BF... I'd recommend Cutting now instead of bulking. Thats just me.

**RobTee** · 07-10-2012, 07:33 AM

Been training about 4 years now.
Was doing a little bit of boxing and body weight stuff before then.

Train pretty hard I think..
Stats for some lifts:

200kg 6 reps DL
150kg for 6 reps Squat
140kg 1 RM bench press
120kg 6 reps bench
45kg for 8 shoulder press
Bent row around 140kg for 6 reps.

Diet is pretty good. Kinda let go this year. Hence the mid to high teens bf. I am cleaning it up atm.

I would upload a pic but wanna remain anonymous.

Thoughts?

**RobTee** · 07-10-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Flacco

12-15% BF drop is kind of steep in just 12 weeks. Unless you plan on this being a cutting cycle. Which based on your goals, I would recommend. Just because you're not trying to bulk, doesn't mean that you won't put on muscle mass if you diet is in check. I'm not a nutritionist. Post your diet/stats/goals in the nutrition section for feedback. To cut that much fat, you'll probably get advice to cut your cals down and keep your protein intake up. Focus on cardio a few times a week. If you eat to bulk, your gonna probably remain at the same BF, maybe drop a little. 10 lbs of muscle and 15% reduction in BF... I'd recommend Cutting now instead of bulking. Thats just me.

Is a cutting cycle for first test based cycle worth it tho?

Basically just wanna do a kind of body recomp almost

I'm pretty solid now just would like an extra 5kg of muscle before I start to lean down

What about if I drop down to 15% naturally and do a clean bulk on the test e?

**jasc** · 07-10-2012, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by RobTee

Is a cutting cycle for first test based cycle worth it tho?

Basically just wanna do a kind of body recomp almost

I'm pretty solid now just would like an extra 5kg of muscle before I start to lean down

What about if I drop down to 15% naturally and do a clean bulk on the test e?

I'd lean bulk honestly.. I think Flacco read your post wrong.. he thinks you're trying to lose 12-15% bf.

If your diet n cardio are in check losing a few % bf is definitely obtainable while putting on some quality lbm.

**RobTee** · 07-10-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by jasc

I'd lean bulk honestly.. I think Flacco read your post wrong.. he thinks you're trying to lose 12-15% bf.

If your diet n cardio are in check losing a few % bf is definitely obtainable while putting on some quality lbm.

What I wanted to hear.
Diet and cardio will be in check.
I walk the dogs for 30-45mins a day and throw in a few stair sessions once or twice a week.
Diet is around 3600 cals.

So running at 17-18% bf will be okay so long as diet and cardio in check?

**Flacco** · 07-10-2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by RobTee

Basically would like to add 5kgs of muscle whilsts dropping to 12-14% bf? Possible?

Oh I see where I read that wrong

Originally Posted by RobTee

So running at 17-18% bf will be okay so long as diet and cardio in check?

Most will recommend to cut you BF down a bit before cycling. Its a recommendation. You can choose to take the advice or not. Everything looks good IMO as far as your goals. Definitely attainable.

**jasc** · 07-10-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by RobTee

What I wanted to hear.
Diet and cardio will be in check.
I walk the dogs for 30-45mins a day and throw in a few stair sessions once or twice a week.
Diet is around 3600 cals.

So running at 17-18% bf will be okay so long as diet and cardio in check?

17-18% should be fine.. most ppl undercut their bf n when they think they're 15 they're probably more like 17-18 anyway.. If you're really 17-18 I see no problems.. On here we typically recommend 15% or less due to less aromatization/estrogenic sides.. also, If someone is much higher their diet usually needs improvement which is a sign of not being ready. If your vitals are good (bp, hr), diet is in check, and you use an AI (may have to bump slightly above normal due to extra aromatization) you should be just fine. If you look at powerlifters, most are over 15-20% and cycle regularly.. At higher bf you just have to keep a closer eye on things because you do have a higher risk than someone with low bf.

**DeadlyD** · 07-10-2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by jasc

17-18% should be fine.. most ppl undercut their bf n when they think they're 15 they're probably more like 17-18 anyway.. If you're really 17-18 I see no problems.. On here we typically recommend 15% or less due to less aromatization/estrogenic sides.. also, If someone is much higher their diet usually needs improvement which is a sign of not being ready. If your vitals are good (bp, hr), diet is in check, and you use an AI (may have to bump slightly above normal due to extra aromatization) you should be just fine. If you look at powerlifters, most are over 15-20% and cycle regularly.. At higher bf you just have to keep a closer eye on things because you do have a higher risk than someone with low bf.

^^^^I agree with jasc.

**technodrome** · 07-10-2012, 02:26 PM

My stats are nearly identical to yours. I took my Adex .25 mg EOD. So half of what your planning to take. I found it was probably too much. But i stuck with that dose and everything worked out fine. So maybe .25mg ED is too much..!!!! Maybe try EOD to start and adjust later if needed.

**RobTee** · 07-10-2012, 06:25 PM

Thanks for the replys guys.

I think I will diet down to around 14-15% (tested by dexa scan) then hit it.

Originally Posted by technodrome

My stats are nearly identical to yours. I took my Adex .25 mg EOD. So half of what your planning to take. I found it was probably too much. But i stuck with that dose and everything worked out fine. So maybe .25mg ED is too much..!!!! Maybe try EOD to start and adjust later if needed.

Interesting. Maybe see how I go. I had some pubertal gyno in the past but diet and alot of brocolli has fixed it.