Getting a doctors supervision?

**jsn23** · 07-10-2012, 07:54 AM

So i am deciding to take steroids , and from what i am reading i need a doctor to monitor me. How does it work? Do i just walk into his office and let him know what i am doing? Do i need to have a pre-exisiting relationship with him before i start? If i tell him i am doing steroids will he call the police on me? just curious as to how this is supposed to go down! thanks!

**swm1972** · 07-10-2012, 10:24 AM

I don't know who suggested this to you, but I think it's a bad idea. I'd get bloodworm done precycle to establish a baseline and then post pct. That is about as involved I'd get a doctor in your steroid cycle.

And I would not say a thing about your intentions if I were you.

**gearbox** · 07-10-2012, 10:40 AM

agree with above. I would not say anything, even if asked I would laugh and not answer or say no. I have heard of insurance issues with ppl who have been using.
but get the pre blood work and post. so you can know where you stand.

**jasc** · 07-10-2012, 10:55 AM

What these guys said. He can't call the police due to dr-patient confidentiality but if he puts your AAS use in your permanent medical file, good luck ever getting new health insurance and if you do, expect to pay out the ass for it. Unless your in Canada or some country where AAS are legal n there is public healthcare.

3rd party bloodwork n paying out of pocket is the way to go IMO and standard bloods aren't that expensive.

**600@50** · 07-10-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by jasc

What these guys said. He can't call the police due to dr-patient confidentiality but if he puts your AAS use in your permanent medical file, good luck ever getting new health insurance and if you do, expect to pay out the ass for it. Unless your in Canada or some country where AAS are legal n there is public healthcare.

3rd party bloodwork n paying out of pocket is the way to go IMO and standard bloods aren't that expensive.

Agreed. Get your own bw done then post the results here and get some real feedback. There are guys on here that can give much better guidance on your bw results.

**djjohnnied** · 07-10-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by jasc

What these guys said. He can't call the police due to dr-patient confidentiality but if he puts your AAS use in your permanent medical file, good luck ever getting new health insurance and if you do, expect to pay out the ass for it. Unless your in Canada or some country where AAS are legal n there is public healthcare.

3rd party bloodwork n paying out of pocket is the way to go IMO and standard bloods aren't that expensive.

AAS are not exactly "legal" in Canada

**S2King1223** · 07-10-2012, 04:09 PM

I had same question, thanks guys.

**JHeisman1** · 07-10-2012, 04:47 PM

I would do your own blood work [privatemdlabs], sign up and they give u discounts all the time. Its pretty good price for confidentiality and done at labcorp. I would keep it out of medical charts for fear of insurance issues [health and life insurance]. U can get some good feedback with ur lab results here.

**jsn23** · 07-10-2012, 08:14 PM

ok gotcha, that makes more sense. So pro bodybuilders, and the like don't get monitored by doctors? they do there own blood work? thanks for the advice! awesome!

**jsn23** · 07-10-2012, 08:15 PM

where i heard it from was reading that pro bodybuilders are monitored by docs.. so thats what i was thinking

**mnt51** · 07-10-2012, 10:20 PM

You don't want that information in your permanent medical record for various reasons.

**austinite** · 07-10-2012, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by jsn23

where i heard it from was reading that pro bodybuilders are monitored by docs.. so thats what i was thinking

real pro BB's have endless resources. they also spend 30 to 60k a year on gear.

**MuscleInk** · 07-10-2012, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

real pro BB's have endless resources. they also spend 30 to 60k a year on gear.

30-60K!?!?!?!

I have roid-envy now!!!!

**jsn23** · 07-11-2012, 07:25 AM

ahhh i see.. its seems excessive, but i guess thats what it takes

**jsn23** · 07-11-2012, 07:26 AM

so true

**jasc** · 07-11-2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

30-60K!?!?!?!

I have roid-envy now!!!!

x2..

We just had an interview posted on here where a pro bb anonymously talked about this.. He was sayin most pro bb spend over 30k a year on GH alone!! ffaacckk!

**jasc** · 07-11-2012, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by jsn23

ok gotcha, that makes more sense. So pro bodybuilders, and the like don't get monitored by doctors? they do there own blood work? thanks for the advice! awesome!

Many pro's are monitored by dr's, but we're talkin sports dr's/dr's heavy in the industry who conveniently omit certain tests/info.

Speaking of that.. I wonder what some of these monsters pay for insurance.. Medical files or not, you know insurers have to realize the risks when they see names like Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, etc..

**jsn23** · 07-11-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by jasc

Many pro's are monitored by dr's, but we're talkin sports dr's/dr's heavy in the industry who conveniently omit certain tests/info.

Speaking of that.. I wonder what some of these monsters pay for insurance.. Medical files or not, you know insurers have to realize the risks when they see names like Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, etc..

it seems like so much work... is it really worth it? i mean I've been dreaming of becoming a bodybuilder since i was a little kid, and to this day i am still working to become that.. but you gotta wonder if its worth it

**Bonaparte** · 07-11-2012, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by jsn23

it seems like so much work... is it really worth it? i mean I've been dreaming of becoming a bodybuilder since i was a little kid, and to this day i am still working to become that.. but you gotta wonder if its worth it

It really isn't, from a logical perspective.

**jsn23** · 07-11-2012, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

It really isn't, from a logical perspective.

is it attainable though... like what realistically would it take to get the size and look that pro bodybuilders have?

**jsn23** · 07-11-2012, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

I don't know who suggested this to you, but I think it's a bad idea. I'd get bloodworm done precycle to establish a baseline and then post pct. That is about as involved I'd get a doctor in your steroid cycle.

And I would not say a thing about your intentions if I were you.

so i am still trying to figure this all out. What is the purpose of bloodwork?

**Papa-pwn** · 07-11-2012, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by jsn23

is it attainable though... like what realistically would it take to get the size and look that pro bodybuilders have?

Money, dedication, and time. If you're over 6' you want to be around 250+ and single digit BF%. I don't know where you're at physically, but I know that'd take me years to achieve.

**calstate23** · 07-11-2012, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by jsn23

where i heard it from was reading that pro bodybuilders are monitored by docs.. so thats what i was thinking

Yes they have docs and their monitored...But the thing is it's not a big deal because it's just like someone getting trt or anti aging prescribed by a doc. All the top pro have prescriptions for all their hormone use...Therefore, they are not breaking the law....In most cases

**Bonaparte** · 07-11-2012, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by calstate23

Yes they have docs and their monitored...But the thing is it's not a big deal because it's just like someone getting trt or anti aging prescribed by a doc. All the top pro have prescriptions for all their hormone use...Therefore, they are not breaking the law....In most cases

Definitely not. There is no way a doc could prescribe several grams of every drug out there, plus stuff that isn't even produced pharmaceutically (like Tren , EQ, and Masteron ).
Many of them just have a trainer who knows a guy who owns a UGL (or some similar hookup), so they get everything they need handed to them for dirt cheap or spotted for against future contest winnings. Half the sport is about networking, which is where contest prep trainers come into play. And yes, I know a lot of this first hand (no, I'm not a competitive BBer, but I know a handful of them well).

**< <Samson> >** · 07-11-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by jsn23

What is the purpose of bloodwork?

Blood work pre cycle will tell you if you are healthy and give you a a number on your test when you are "normal".

Blood work post PCT will tell you if everything is back to normal and if your test is back to where it was before the cycle.

Also blood work while on cycle will tell you how strong your synthetic test is.

**jsn23** · 07-12-2012, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by samson_420

Blood work pre cycle will tell you if you are healthy and give you a a number on your test when you are "normal".

Blood work post PCT will tell you if everything is back to normal and if your test is back to where it was before the cycle.

Also blood work while on cycle will tell you how strong your synthetic test is.

ok awesome! so where do i look for bloodwork?

**jsn23** · 07-12-2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Definitely not. There is no way a doc could prescribe several grams of every drug out there, plus stuff that isn't even produced pharmaceutically (like Tren , EQ, and Masteron ).
Many of them just have a trainer who knows a guy who owns a UGL (or some similar hookup), so they get everything they need handed to them for dirt cheap or spotted for against future contest winnings. Half the sport is about networking, which is where contest prep trainers come into play. And yes, I know a lot of this first hand (no, I'm not a competitive BBer, but I know a handful of them well).

so lets say i want to become a bodybuilder, what steps do i need to take? as far as staying healthy, and trying to avoid the law

**Bonaparte** · 07-12-2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by jsn23

so lets say i want to become a bodybuilder, what steps do i need to take? as far as staying healthy, and trying to avoid the law

Get big (show potential), get noticed by the big names in your area, and hire a respected and well established BBing trainer.
Staying healthy involves doing your research here and not doing anything idiotic. Same goes for avoiding the law.

**jsn23** · 07-12-2012, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Get big (show potential), get noticed by the big names in your area, and hire a respected and well established BBing trainer.
Staying healthy involves doing your research here and not doing anything idiotic. Same goes for avoiding the law.

awesome! thanks for the advice, love to hear more!

**brocato** · 07-12-2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by jasc

What these guys said. He can't call the police due to dr-patient confidentiality but if he puts your AAS use in your permanent medical file, good luck ever getting new health insurance and if you do, expect to pay out the ass for it. Unless your in Canada or some country where AAS are legal n there is public healthcare.

Steroids are illegal in Canada, selling and buying can get you imprisoned. However possession is not punishable as long as quantities are low.

**Farid** · 07-12-2012, 10:43 AM

you can call a local private clinic and normaly they have a membership fee, like me for example its 800$ for the whole year and i get unlimited appointements with the doctor

**jasc** · 07-12-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Farid

you can call a local private clinic and normaly they have a membership fee, like me for example its 800$ for the whole year and i get unlimited appointements with the doctor

this include blood tests?

**calstate23** · 07-12-2012, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Definitely not. There is no way a doc could prescribe several grams of every drug out there, plus stuff that isn't even produced pharmaceutically (like Tren , EQ, and Masteron ).
Many of them just have a trainer who knows a guy who owns a UGL (or some similar hookup), so they get everything they need handed to them for dirt cheap or spotted for against future contest winnings. Half the sport is about networking, which is where contest prep trainers come into play. And yes, I know a lot of this first hand (no, I'm not a competitive BBer, but I know a handful of them well).

If you are familiar with the narcotics/pain management world of doctor clinics then you would know what I'm talking about...These doctors prescribe massive amounts of drugs at the same time. The reason being is because they specialize in a certain area of "medicine"..I know many, many people who walk out with prescriptions of 150 norco's, 100 xanax, 180 oxycodone, and 100 soma all on the same script...Even for someone who is on their death bed would not be prescribed this per month but it's within legal limits..Typically, this type of prescription would set off alarms if a normal family practitioner wrote this but since they are a "Pain management" doctor they are only dealing with "Chronic Pain Patients".

Same goes for Anti "aging clinics" and "Hormone replacement doctors"...It's a fad to sell massive prescriptions for what people are looking for. Just like a "pain management" doctor these doctors do not mind writing prescriptions for HGH, Testosterone , insulin therapy all on one script...If all they are seeing is "Hormonal imbalance patients" then it's perfectly fine for them to write scripts like this...

Many guys do have their prescriptions for their hormones. Some all from one doctor. Many will may also go to one doctor for "TRT" and go to another doctor where they are prescribed gh or other hormones. And while they may have more then one doctor there is typically one doctor that just watches their over all health. These doctors need to know what they are taking to understand how to help them. They are taking too many hormones that the bodybuilder cannot risk his health by not telling his go to doctor what his is on....It's a true relationship, I've seen it.