Using gear in army

[Geremeyester]

Hey there, I've done a few cycles in the past and have recently joined the army. I know that they will random UA and such but will only test for aas on reasonable suspicion. Does anyone have experience or ideas on doing a cycle, maybe half cycles, while in the military so as to go unnoticed or make it seem more natural? Or maybe some sort of gear that keeps me under the radar on tests?

[warchild]

best not even to do steroids in the army. not worth a dishonorable discharge

[MuscleInk]

Unless the laws on steroid use have changed and I've been living under a rock, I'm fairly certain you'd be discharged if caught. Would you condone the use of heroin or cocaine among your fellow recruits?

I don't mean to imply that steroid use is the same as heroin or cocaine use, but illegal is illegal no matter what the substance. I assume you enlisted to serve your country. Serve your country. Serve yourself (i.e. use gear) after you complete your service if you still feel the need to do so.

[spiketannin]

yea its not worth it just train hard and diet hard. save your money and buy nice things that will make you feel good about yourself..

[cjay]

Not telling you to or not to, but I do know my friends first exp with people juicing was while he was in the Q course. He said it was quite prevelant.

[sgt2jay]

id like to add getting big is not always best for the army life. i am not sure of you MOS but when i was infantry any extra weight was something i didnt want whether is was muscle or extra gear heavy heavy. plus all the running and raod marching it will wear on ya the more weight ya carry

[Geremeyester]

Yeah my recruiter told me when he was in iraq a Lot of ppl were on and nobody cared over there, but maybe I should just save my money till after my6 years up and then revisit the idea. I guess unless I find myself in a position where noone cares then I will, but otherwise not worth dishonorable dis.

[dogtags]

The test the armed services uses for AAS is not the same as the ordinary urinalysis you will be getting. It is a completely separate test that has to be ordered and used based off of suspect alone, its not cheap either.

I have been in the Marines for 8 Years, and i cant even tell you how many people i know for a FACT were on AAS, its more common than you think. And i have never seen nor heard of anyone being tested for and/or getting kicked out for AAS.

Few things facts

-keeping gear in your barracks will probably get you caught, even if it is locked up(UN-announced health and comfort inspections, yes you have to be there for them, so you get to watch them unlock your locker and find your gear )
-Keeping gear in your car can get you caught(random vehicle inspections at the front gate)
-Acting like the typical AAS user this day in age (the 6' 170 lb kid who uses AAS and gains 20 lbs in 2 months) will defiantly get you some unwanted attention, but still not likely..


Use at your own risk, but if you are concerned about being randomly tested like a urinalysis its not gonna happen. you have to give someone with a good amount of rank a damn good reason to think you are on AAS to be tested for it.

[dogtags]

Oh, and about getting big in the Military...It isn't to your advantage for many reasons. but I will give you the #1 reason.

Not many people can drag a 210-230 lb+ man in a full fighting load(body armor with Sapi Plates, full mags, helmet etc roughly 40-60 extra lbs) our of a HMMWV or MRAP or even on the damn ground for christs sake. So be careful with your weight, it could be your worst enemy other than the guys shooting at you some day...

[Geremeyester]

The test the armed services uses for AAS is not the same as the ordinary urinalysis you will be getting. It is a completely separate test that has to be ordered and used based off of suspect alone, its not cheap either.

I have been in the Marines for 8 Years, and i cant even tell you how many people i know for a FACT were on AAS, its more common than you think. And i have never seen nor heard of anyone being tested for and/or getting kicked out for AAS.

Few things facts

-keeping gear in your barracks will probably get you caught, even if it is locked up(UN-announced health and comfort inspections, yes you have to be there for them, so you get to watch them unlock your locker and find your gear )
-Keeping gear in your car can get you caught(random vehicle inspections at the front gate)
-Acting like the typical AAS user this day in age (the 6' 170 lb kid who uses AAS and gains 20 lbs in 2 months) will defiantly get you some unwanted attention, but still not likely..


Use at your own risk, but if you are concerned about being randomly tested like a urinalysis its not gonna happen. you have to give someone with a good amount of rank a damn good reason to think you are on AAS to be tested for it.

I appreciate the info, it's a blood test not ua right? If so I have yet to find any reliable info on how long aas is detectable in such a test.

[dogtags]

I appreciate the info, it's a blood test not ua right? If so I have yet to find any reliable info on how long aas is detectable in such a test.

It is done by UA, but is detected by a process called thermoionic specific detection and flame ionization detection. It is a expensive test compared to standard drug UAs(it costs about $300 for the armed forces).

[Misery13]

For your situational awareness. CID has been on a witch hunt lately for AAS users and distributers as of late. Should you decide to cycle. Trust no one.

[dogtags]

Honestly it just doesn't happen. I don't want to be the one to say the military doesn't care, but when was the last time someone in your unit got scolded for being physically fit...all you literally have to do is not be stupid about it. if you use AAS and gain 20 lbs you have NO reason to do it anyways as you could have gained the weight without it...If that's not you, then pin away (safely of course and I would suggest posting your diet, in the nutrition forums. your workout in the Workout forums, and your cycle in these forums so that the experts here can help you fine tune it and pick out any discrepancies you may have)

[dogtags]

For your situational awareness. CID has been on a witch hunt lately for AAS users and distributers as of late. Should you decide to cycle. Trust no one.

This literally don't tell or trust anyone with the info, and could you provide more info? To me it sounds like barracks scuttlebutt. *Insert small comic strip of CID agents kicking in barracks doors and dragging soldiers out of their room to be tested*

CID is not involved with any testing. The only involvement they would have is suspicion of distribution as suspicion of use will be conducted at the command level as a waiver from the commanding officer is needed for testing since it is not a random test.

Random Testing = no waiver done by command SACO

Individual Testing = letter from the CO authorizing a individual to be tested based on suspicion, paraphernalia, etc.

[Honkey_Kong]

I don't know about your stats OP, but if you're under 25, even in the army, you shouldn't run a cycle. That being said, I don't know how many people deployed were running gear. To me it seems a little difficult to get vials of gear, the syringes and needles on an airplane to Kuwait. I mean you probably could get gear off some hadji, but do you really want to trust your health to a hadji?

I wouldn't bring anything illegal on post. Just a random search of your car or locker could get you caught. Wait until you either are married or go up in rank enough to have off-post housing.

[Atomini]

There are literally countless threads made on this subject in the past, a simple search would have saved time here...

[Misery13]

I have been stationed at Fort Bragg for 11.5yrs and there have been a number of AAS busts lately. A retired CSM friend who is the base anti-terrorism/force protection mentioned something to me about it. Barracks scuttle butt huh? I haven't been into a barracks room in over ten years. I like to stay ahead of the game in this area.

[Misery13]

Dog tags what is your time in service? MOS? Please and thank you.

[dogtags]

8 Years.
3043

Explain a AAS bust? What that sounds like to me is raids on peoples houses like its a meth lab...

[Misery13]

3043?

Two house raids.
One individual in my unit.

That I know of.

[dogtags]

3043?

Two house raids.
One individual in my unit.

That I know of.

Supply Administration.

When you're talking about house raids there is a lot more involved then the "hey SPC Flapjack got big pretty quick, he must be doing steroids."

I feel pretty damn confident in saying if you don't tell someone and don't keep it in the car or barracks, get married get ur own place etc you have nothing to worry about. Noone is going to be following you around the gym tracking your progress and you won't be randomly tested...

Raids require warrants, if you have a warrant out for you then good luck
individuals require documentation, a simple letter from a CO will suffice, but a urinalysis for Drugs or AAS for a individual must have direction from a commanding officer, you can't just be taken to medical by a random senior member of your command to be tested...

[PetrX]

I finished my contract with the army in 2010, almost everyone in my company got into the whole steriod program so to speak, its kind of a dont ask dont tell. Very easy to get a hold of, alot of my srgts where on the gear and didnt care who knew lol. Once who move up to atleast E-5 you can be on the gear and no one will care unless something happens to you or you go nuts on someone.

[wmaousley]

best not even to do steroids in the army. not worth a dishonorable discharge

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