Nolvadex or A-dex for on cycle support (Test E 12 week cycle)

**Anabolick** · 07-10-2012, 08:05 PM

I'm wondering if I should just use Nolva for on cycle support to prevent bloating/gyno etc or if I should use an AI. Keep in mind, I'm only running test.

Nolva is obviously much cheaper obviously...

Also I prefer ordering all from one source and he doesn't carry a-dex, only nova...

So my question is, would I be fine with nolvadex alone or is A-dex worth the extra money/time to acquire...

**Anabolick** · 07-10-2012, 08:20 PM

6'1 195 lbs 10% bf, training for 2.5 years and just turned 22 btw...

just need a quick answer

**kelkel** · 07-10-2012, 08:48 PM

Nolva won't stop your E from rising, just block it at your chest receptors. Run the AI. Don't know how much test your doing but .25 adex eod would probably be a good start if your doing a "normal" (if there is such a thing) cycle. Save your nolva for pct. You should also be running hcg during your cycle btw.

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**Anabolick** · 07-10-2012, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Nolva won't stop your E from rising, just block it at your chest receptors. Run the AI. Don't know how much test your doing but .25 adex eod would probably be a good start if your doing a "normal" (if there is such a thing) cycle. Save your nolva for pct. You should also be running hcg during your cycle btw.

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Ahh...thanks...

... can i just run a-dex on pct along with clomid, or can i just run clomid with nolva

and i'm running 400 mg test/week

and I'm not going to run HCG on cycle but I'm considering it for pct...however is it an absolute necessity for the light cycle i'm doing...if my diet/training is in check. I'm confident i'll be able to keep alot of my gains without hcg. Also, my balls are very saggy and i would prefer smaller ones.

and thanks a lot for the help

**kelkel** · 07-10-2012, 09:04 PM

No need for adex on pct. Clomid/Nolva together is better than just clomid.
400 per week is not too high a dose. I'd still split it to 200 every 3.5 days if possible. Less T injected = less spike in E levels.
HPTA shutdown is HPTA shutdown. Doesn't matter if it's 400 a week or a 1000, same result. HCG is an LH analog and will help keep your testicals functioning which in turn will help your re-start be even easier. HCG helps minimize risk, so to speak. Less risk = healthier you.

**Anabolick** · 07-10-2012, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

No need for adex on pct. Clomid/Nolva together is better than just clomid.
400 per week is not too high a dose. I'd still split it to 200 every 3.5 days if possible. Less T injected = less spike in E levels.
HPTA shutdown is HPTA shutdown. Doesn't matter if it's 400 a week or a 1000, same result. HCG is an LH analog and will help keep your testicals functioning which in turn will help your re-start be even easier. HCG helps minimize risk, so to speak. Less risk = healthier you.

Makes perfect sense. I'm glad to hear my test dosage is spot on. However regarding the HCG , the problem with it is 1.) By the time it gets to my location, its been stored in a variety of temps and I hear its supposed to be stored at a certain temp, won't that taint the product?

2.) the HCG administration just sounds way too complicated...nor do I have a place to store it. (Live with roommate, kind of want to keep this on the down low lol, i hear u have to store it in a cold temp like the fridge...

I just need to know, is it substantially better or will I be fine with a regular pct/no extra cycle support.

So far, I've picked up that it will reduce risk...like an extra,extra precaution...

well thanks again, i think i'm set! will look into hcg later, i feel like the profile on this site is off.

**kelkel** · 07-10-2012, 09:25 PM

Temps don't really matter until it's reconstituted (mixed with bacteriostatic water) then it becomes more of a fragile peptide and needs refrigeration. Regarding how you recover. No one knows until it's all said and done and BW is pulled to check levels, if you're really micromanaging things. Back in my competitive days (80's) HCG wasn't around and pct wasn't really invented, or at least mainstream. Came out fine. Knowing what I know now though, I would use it for sure.

**Anabolick** · 07-10-2012, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Temps don't really matter until it's reconstituted (mixed with bacteriostatic water) then it becomes more of a fragile peptide and needs refrigeration. Regarding how you recover. No one knows until it's all said and done and BW is pulled to check levels, if you're really micromanaging things. Back in my competitive days (80's) HCG wasn't around and pct wasn't really invented, or at least mainstream. Came out fine. Knowing what I know now though, I would use it for sure.

Wow, you certainly did alright!

I guess I'll see how I manage after this cycle and perhaps institute it my next. Thanks.

**Mr Bolic** · 09-18-2012, 10:22 PM

If you were to just use the nolva & block the receptors from the Estrogen - would that make the rising E levels less of a problem? Or does having a boat load of E floating around have some negative effect regardless of the receptor activity?

Cheers Lads!

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-19-2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mr Bolic

If you were to just use the nolva & block the receptors from the Estrogen - would that make the rising E levels less of a problem? Or does having a boat load of E floating around have some negative effect regardless of the receptor activity?

Cheers Lads!

It will prevent gyno but you will still have all the other adverse effects of estrogen - which are many. The goal is keep estrogen levels in normal range even when on a cycle.