First Cycle

[JCgulb]

Ok so I know a lot of ppl make these kinds of posts and they always get the same feedback... "Do more research!" Well I assure you I have done a decent amount of research so I will post this and let me know what you think...

I want to start off by saying that I am not of of those guys who wants to look like the incredible hulk... Im not obsessed with becoming huge nor do I want to be. To be honest I dont even plan on starting a cycle for at least a couple more months if not years... That being said, if I was to do my first cycle sometime in the future I would want it to be something simple (so if there are any bad side effects i can know what is causing it) and also something very mild and as safe as possible. I dont want to end up ruining my testosterone production permanently, and i dont want and miserable recovery.

Btw i weight 230 with 25% body fat, 23 years old.

So considering all of that, heres what i think would be a good first cycle for me... please give me ur feedback.

First Cycle:
-weeks 1-12: 250mg injection of test enan once a week

-week 13: OFF
-week 14: OFF

-week 15: 200mg/day of Clomid
-week 16: 100mg/day of Clomid
-week 17: 50mg/day of Clomid
-week 18: 25mg/day of Clomid
-week 19: COMPLETE


Like I said, trying to keep things as simple as possible, especially because it would be my first cycle. There are few things that I have specific questions about. First off, is this the right amount of Clomid to be taking considering I would only be doing a 250mg dosage of test enan once a week? On another post i saw this amount of Clomid being used with a 500mg does of Test Enan. Also, I have read things about AI's and how they help reduce the risk of many undesireable side effects... would using one of these be neccessary?

One more thing.... when taking lets say 100 or 200mg of Clomid a day, should you take it all at one time or spread it out throughout the day?.... That is all. Thanks.

[kronik420]

i wouldn't use 250mg of test/week
body fat too high
need AI & HCG
PCT needs nolva and clomid dose is off
and a lil too young
idk what you think "a decent amount of research" is but all i can say is that it is obviously not enough.
also whats your diet/training like??

over the last 6 months ive spent about 2-3 hours/day ED researching this sh!t. and i can put together my own cycle, without having to ask any questions (especially stupid 1s). so IMO more research is needed.

[NoGearHear]

I just read on another post and it might help put it into perspective for you:

500 is really about 330
so 250 would be about 160-180

Anyone has the exact numbers please help me out lol

EDIT: You should also read up on some proper post cycle therapy , typical i've seen for that is 100-100-50-50 with an ai on hand during

[JCgulb]

i wouldn't use 250mg of test/week
body fat too high
need AI & HCG
PCT needs nolva and clomid dose is off
and a lil too young
idk what you think "a decent amount of research" is but all i can say is that it is obviously not enough.
also whats your diet/training like??

over the last 6 months ive spent about 2-3 hours/day ED researching this sh!t. and i can put together my own cycle, without having to ask any questions (especially stupid 1s). so IMO more research is needed.

hmmm... sounds like u've become a bit obsessed...IMO it shouldnt be that complicated, at least for me... im not trying to become a certified expert on the topic i just want to have a basic understanding and know what the "bare-minimum" steroid cycle would be.... i mean, dont doctors prescribe steroids to ppl who need it all the time?? I doubt their prescriptions are that complicated??... i know its not exactly the same but i just feel like there should be a basic rule of thumb sort of as the "bare essentials" for steroid use .... havent really found out what that is yet.

[ghettoboyd]

why would you not work hard right now off cycle dialing in your diet and dropping that bf down to like at least 15% before you cycle? it at the least would give you a better chance of not getting gyno...you say you dont want to be huge but with all that fat on you i bet you cant see much definition to your muscles...id hold off a bit and not expect a cycle to do all the work for you cus to be honest it wont...if you do go with it though id drop the clomid dose down to like 100/50/50/25 imho...and yes take it all at one time...

[DanB]

why would you want to get fatter at 25% b/f? you will end up like a whale if you go any further

[dooie]

why would you want to get fatter at 25% b/f? you will end up like a whale if you go any further

Lol.

[JCgulb]

lol did anybody read my post??? I said, "To be honest I dont even plan on starting a cycle for at least a couple more months if not years"... this is just hypothetical as of now

[ghettoboyd]

lol did anybody read my post??? I said, "To be honest I dont even plan on starting a cycle for at least a couple more months if not years"... this is just hypothetical as of now

we hear that alll the time bro, someone asks a "hypothetical" question to gain the aswers they are looking for without much reasurch then a week or two later start there first cycle thread...not saying this is nessesarily what you are doing but if you are really interested in learning about this stuff for your own knowledge then why ask for help when every question you are ever going to ask has been answered here in countless threads..all you have to do is look for it...

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do you have a target bf% to hit before you start a cycle? i recommend 15%. some might say 12%. but from your current 25%, 15 might be a more realistic target.

in the meantime, you have a few more months to read and ask...

[JCgulb]

do you have a target bf% to hit before you start a cycle? i recommend 15%. some might say 12%. but from your current 25%, 15 might be a more realistic target.

in the meantime, you have a few more months to read and ask...

fair enough

[JCgulb]

we hear that alll the time bro, someone asks a "hypothetical" question to gain the aswers they are looking for without much reasurch then a week or two later start there first cycle thread...not saying this is nessesarily what you are doing but if you are really interested in learning about this stuff for your own knowledge then why ask for help when every question you are ever going to ask has been answered here in countless threads..all you have to do is look for it...

ok... i guess i should have just lied about my bf...maybe then i would have gotten the answer to my question

[K.Shinedling]

Ok so I know a lot of ppl make these kinds of posts and they always get the same feedback... "Do more research!" Well I assure you I have done a decent amount of research so I will post this and let me know what you think...

I want to start off by saying that I am not of of those guys who wants to look like the incredible hulk... Im not obsessed with becoming huge nor do I want to be. To be honest I dont even plan on starting a cycle for at least a couple more months if not years... That being said, if I was to do my first cycle sometime in the future I would want it to be something simple (so if there are any bad side effects i can know what is causing it) and also something very mild and as safe as possible. I dont want to end up ruining my testosterone production permanently, and i dont want and miserable recovery.

Btw i weight 230 with 25% body fat, 23 years old.

So considering all of that, heres what i think would be a good first cycle for me... please give me ur feedback.

First Cycle:
-weeks 1-12: 250mg injection of test enan once a week

-week 13: OFF
-week 14: OFF

-week 15: 200mg/day of Clomid
-week 16: 100mg/day of Clomid
-week 17: 50mg/day of Clomid
-week 18: 25mg/day of Clomid
-week 19: COMPLETE

Like I said, trying to keep things as simple as possible, especially because it would be my first cycle. There are few things that I have specific questions about. First off, is this the right amount of Clomid to be taking considering I would only be doing a 250mg dosage of test enan once a week? On another post i saw this amount of Clomid being used with a 500mg does of Test Enan. Also, I have read things about AI's and how they help reduce the risk of many undesireable side effects... would using one of these be neccessary?

One more thing.... when taking lets say 100 or 200mg of Clomid a day, should you take it all at one time or spread it out throughout the day?.... That is all. Thanks.

Why would you only do "a decent amount" of research? If you're planning on injecting yourself with something, wouldn't you want to know as much as you possibly can about it? There are many risks using AAS, so IMO someone should know all they can before using it.

For right now, just focus on your diet and like the others said, drop down to 15%. Eat right and run like hell. Then if you do decide you still want to cycle, come back and I'm sure there will be a lot of people that'll help you. Good luck!

[JCgulb]

i feel like no one is answering this because no one really knows the answer to my question

[JCgulb]

basically what i want to know is can u use just test enan and chlomid during ur pct or are there other substances u must use?

[JCgulb]

and please dont try to be my mother and know whats best for me... just answer the question

[gymaddict1234]

Mate , this is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read on any forum , firstly ... Why the f***k are you doing a cycle at 25% body fat?? You will look like a complete idiot which You probably do anyway, 250 a week of test Is too low , it will only shut you down . And stack a oral with it like Dbol for the first 6 weeks , also .. You really need to do your research and drop your body fat unless you want to look like Barney, you fat idiot .. What decent amount of research are you doing ? Have you been reading the steroid for dummy's book ?

[K.Shinedling]

mate , this is the most ridiculous thread i have ever read on any forum , firstly ... Why the f***k are you doing a cycle at 25% body fat?? You will look like a complete idiot which you probably do anyway, 250 a week of test is too low , it will only shut you down . And stack a oral with it like dbol for the first 6 weeks , also .. You really need to do your research and drop your body fat unless you want to look like barney, you fat idiot .. What decent amount of research are you doing ? Have you been reading the steroid for dummy's book ?

lawl!!

[K.Shinedling]

and please dont try to be my mother and know whats best for me... just answer the question

It's your body, not mine. For PCT you should run both nolva and clomid. Test E 250/week? Not good. You're going to get shut down, so why not up the dose and make the most out of it? It won't effect you any more because you're already getting shut down. I know you're asking for cycle advice IN THE FUTURE. Now you have it. Listen to us when we say you need to diet. For now, diet, run, and research. When you're ready, ask us about your proposed cycle and we'll gladly help.

[JCgulb]

to gymaddict (dickhead):

can u ****ing read?? i said FUTURE u dumb mother ****er... go jack off in the mirror with ur little raisin nuts and baby dick

[gymaddict1234]

Jcgulb- fat idiot , take up a new hobby ... Maybe badminton is ur type of thing , will help
You loose bodyfat too , your not cut out for this ur as pathetic as your bodyfat you bender

[JCgulb]

gymaddict- baby dick, arent u a new member... dont get off telling ppl what to do like ur some kind of authority on this site...and wtf is a bender im not from a aussie mate, u crocodile humping mother ****er

[DanB]

Read the rules, no flaming

If you dont lke eachother then put eachother on ignore and you wont see the posts anymore

[gymaddict1234]

You seem to have a fascination with talking about dicks , lol, what's the matter didn't your dad give you any today ? Lol

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

deff drop the bf to 15% atleast! not hard. -500 daily calories, gym 5 days a week, cardio 2-3 days a week. and then in a few months start your first test only cycle. instead of 250mg once a week, do it twice a week. and deff look into proper pct. also have an ai on hand as you will most likely be prone to gyno cause of your bf. maybe look into an hcg so your balls stay normal sized.

[ghettoboyd]

basically what i want to know is can u use just test enan and chlomid during ur pct or are there other substances u must use?

this is what i was talking about bro, i hope thats a typo asking if you use test e and clomid for pct...otherwise like i said dude start reading and learning how this shit work instead of feeling entitled to having it spoonfed to you...test e is not used durring pct for the record, clomid/nolva is...

[< <Samson> >]

It's all good, we have another Libre.

[K.Shinedling]

It's all good, we have another Libre.

LAWL!!! Thats funny

[JCgulb]

You seem to have a fascination with talking about dicks , lol, what's the matter didn't your dad give you any today ? Lol

gymaddict- get ur gay ass to the gym and stay off my forum u ass licking homo

[JCgulb]

deff drop the bf to 15% atleast! not hard. -500 daily calories, gym 5 days a week, cardio 2-3 days a week. and then in a few months start your first test only cycle. instead of 250mg once a week, do it twice a week. and deff look into proper pct. also have an ai on hand as you will most likely be prone to gyno cause of your bf. maybe look into an hcg so your balls stay normal sized.

finally a decent answer... appreciate it

[JCgulb]

this is what i was talking about bro, i hope thats a typo asking if you use test e and clomid for pct...otherwise like i said dude start reading and learning how this shit work instead of feeling entitled to having it spoonfed to you...test e is not used durring pct for the record, clomid/nolva is...

Racist comments are not tolerated here, tone it down or leave....

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hey whats up man, everyone who replies are trying to help you out, why the hatred?

[JCgulb]

hey whats up man, everyone who replies are trying to help you out, why the hatred?

no hatred... just dont have no respect for ppl who dont come correct and try to act like smart asses who are better than me cuz theyre "roid-educated", like thats something to be proud of.... i might be a lil fat right now cuz ive spent the past few years drinking way too much but i used to be more ripped than most the guys on here have ever been and probably know more about training than most of them too... had a division 1 scholarship to play saftey in college and lost it all because of an injury... that being said i strength and speed trained eveyrday before that since i was 14 years old... just dont like dudes talking down to me cuz they think theyre the shit or somehting... problably where pussies all there life then hit college and decided they wanted to make a change and stop getting picked on... either way im not obsessed with my looks... just curious about he topic... feel like it might help me stay motivated to train more... but the more i read the more i think i want to just keep it natural.. just not worth it...

[K.Shinedling]

no hatred... just dont have no respect for ppl who dont come correct and try to act like smart asses who are better than me cuz theyre "roid-educated", like thats something to be proud of.... i might be a lil fat right now cuz ive spent the past few years drinking way too much but i used to be more ripped than most the guys on here have ever been and probably know more about training than most of them too... had a division 1 scholarship to play saftey in college and lost it all because of an injury... that being said i strength and speed trained eveyrday before that since i was 14 years old... just dont like dudes talking down to me cuz they think theyre the shit or somehting... problably where pussies all there life then hit college and decided they wanted to make a change and stop getting picked on... either way im not obsessed with my looks... just curious about he topic... feel like it might help me stay motivated to train more... but the more i read the more i think i want to just keep it natural.. just not worth it...

We're just trying to help. You've got issues man. No one here is trying to talk down on you. You asked for cycle help and were trying. And good for you if you want to keep it natural.

[Jonnyg419]

are u retarded?? of course i didnt mean test e during pct... it wasnt a typo idiot, just thought i ppl would be smart enough to understand what im saying... i guess thats what happens when black ppl try to be smart

Well you are the one who said it, so don't start throwing racism around just because you misspoke, and I think like 10 people have answered your questions in 10 different ways, some of their answers had to point out how poor your cycle looks, they would be doing you a disservice if they didn't. Just follow their advice and when you are ready you are ready, end of story.

[< <Samson> >]

Just do it, why ask if you don't want an answer?

[DigitalGorilla]

Ok - I really dont want to argue with anyone or start a huge debate. But - the BF % and starting test????? I understand why most think that you ALWAYS get bigger on TEST but thats not true. Im on my last week of my cycle...and went from 248lbs (31%bf) at the start - to 236 lbs now (23% bf). It all depends on your diet and training.


BUT-- for THIS persons post ----- yes YOU ARE TOO YOUNG!

[Popeye's]

YOU ARE OVERWEIGHT - Don't do a cycle! Thanks!

[DigitalGorilla]

YOU ARE OVERWEIGHT - Don't do a cycle! Thanks!

What makes you think that? I agree hes too young - but thats the only reason he shouldnt do it.

[Popeye's]

What makes you think that? I agree hes too young - but thats the only reason he shouldnt do it.

I know that if you have a high body fat percentage while cycling, it makes the side effects worse - one of the main side effects is gyno - basically when he's gonna be off cycling, he will develop breasts, not all of a sudden, but with time since he has a high bf%, he will get that syndrome!