Worst bodytype ever.. I NEED Roids - too skinny

[sdot15]

Hi,
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Stats:
Age 21
Height: 5'10
Weight: 173lbs (12stone 5lbs) (Believe it or not!!)
Wrist Size: 6.5"
Upper arm size without contraction: 13.5"
Quad Size: 22.6"
Calf Size: 15"
Ankle size: 8.8"

Diet
4000calories
250g+Carbs
200g Protein

I'm starting to give up on working out naturally. First of all, how can I be 173lbs and still look scrawny. Its just depressing... I've got to a point in weight training, where I can actually lift more weight than people who are bigger than me. They look at me and think, ''how the hell does he lift all of that weight?!'' The problem is, I look smaller than I weigh. I've been looking through this forum and apparently, having small bones creates the illusion that you are bigger?? Yeah f****** right! Anyway, just wanted your advice on the best steroids to use for bulking...

My current training regime which has made me go from 12stone 7lbs to 12stone 4lbs (However, I look a lot bigger) is as follows:

Mon - Chest/Biceps
Smith machine bench press - 4sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Incline smith bench press - 4 sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Machine Flys - 3 Sets - RepRange - 12/12/10
Dumbell Curls - 4 Sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Hammer Curls - 4 sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Machine ConcentrationCurl - 2 sets - 12/12

Thurs - Legs/Shoulders
Squat - 4sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Leg Press - 4sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Standing Calf Raise - 4sets RepRange - 18/18/18/18
SmithMachineMilitary Shoulder press - 3 sets - 12/10/10
Machine Lateral Raise - 2 sets - Rep Range - 12/12

Sun - Back/Triceps
Lat pull downs - 4sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Machine Sitting Row - 4 sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Close-Grip Bench press - 4 sets - RepRange - 12/12/10/10
Tricep Dips - 3 sets - RepRange - 12/12/10
Tricep Pulldowns - 3sets - RepRange - 12/12/10


I've noticed I'm getting leaner... I don't want to strip anymore fat (Girls don't like that!!)... All I care about is mass.... How do I stop losing bodyfat?
With this new workout I've lost 3lbs, but then gained 1lb after a month. I look bigger though... I've been on and off working out for 2 years.

[RoadToHuge]

You need to learn to eat more and better. Your too young for roids and need a nutritionist, not chemicals.

You want to get big, eat big. Its really that simple. Calories in calories out..

[DanB]

how is 200g protein and 250g carb equal to 4k cals? do you consume 240g fat a day? it dosnt add up

you need a proper diet or you wont grow, and based on your maths above, yours needs work

[gixxerboy1]

how is 200g protein and 250g carb equal to 4k cals? do you consume 240g fat a day? it dosnt add up

you need a proper diet or you wont grow, and based on your maths above, yours needs work

probably not even 3000 calories.

OP
post exactly what you eat

[Capebuffalo]

Everything you ate today.

[sdot15]

AtlasSuperweight gainer (half serving)
Cereal
Tuna Pasta
AtlasSuperWeight Gainer (half serving)
Chips and Burger
Rice with Chicken Breast
AtlasSuperWeight Gainer

Eat every 2hours.. Adds up to what I said above (mainly thanks to the gainer)

[Capebuffalo]

Macros? Tdee?

[gonzo6183]

You might really want to take a look at that training program too, thats umm an odd one to say the least...

BTW the links to your photos dont work, unless its just me

[DGK]

Eat real food not gainer,,

[gixxerboy1]

AtlasSuperweight gainer (half serving)
Cereal
Tuna Pasta
AtlasSuperWeight Gainer (half serving)
Chips and Burger
Rice with Chicken Breast
AtlasSuperWeight Gainer

Eat every 2hours.. Adds up to what I said above (mainly thanks to the gainer)

with out macros or portion sizes its hard to tell anything. But thats probably about 1500 in calories from food.

[Capebuffalo]

How's that gainer working for ya? You need more real food.

[sdot15]

The links to the photographs, you have to alter them slightly. The ''photobucket(DOT)com'' should be together, I had to do this because I'm new and dont have privileges.
Macros - 4000Kcal, 250gCarbs, 200gProtein

[sdot15]

Its about 2000 in food and 2000 in gainer... its a good gainer, progressing each week in strength.. think that means muscle gain?

[gixxerboy1]

Its about 2000 in food and 2000 in gainer... its a good gainer, progressing each week in strength.. think that means muscle gain?

gainer isnt the same as food. Cut out a shake and replace it with real good food.

[Capebuffalo]

The links to the photographs, you have to alter them slightly. The ''photobucket(DOT)com'' should be together, I had to do this because I'm new and dont have privileges.
Macros - 4000Kcal, 250gCarbs, 200gProtein

Seriously? Help us help you.

[gonzo6183]

yeah I would hardly say "worst body type ever" your base is fine you just need to learn to eat and train, what you are doing now is your problem

[DanB]

The links to the photographs, you have to alter them slightly. The ''photobucket(DOT)com'' should be together, I had to do this because I'm new and dont have privileges.
Macros - 4000Kcal, 250gCarb (1000cals), 200gProtein (800cals)

So you must be taking 240g fat per day to make 4k cals, and if this the case you wont be dropping bodyfat like you said, so see why Im saying it dosnt add up?

[sdot15]

Yeah, I've been progressing each week with increased weight or number of reps up to a max of 12 for hypertrophy. The macros are real. I just have a crap body type I think... that's why Im aiming for someone to give me some steroid advice.. maybe a first cycle...

[sdot15]

Maybe it was water-weight, but in like a week I lost 3lbs during month of June. So I went from 12 stone 7lbs to 12 stone 4lbs. By the end of June (4weeks), I went up to 12 stone 5lbs...basically.

[Capebuffalo]

Learn to eat. That is your problem. Food

[gixxerboy1]

Yeah, I've been progressing each week with increased weight or number of reps up to a max of 12 for hypertrophy. The macros are real. I just have a crap body type I think... that's why Im aiming for someone to give me some steroid advice.. maybe a first cycle...

if the macros are real you are eating more fat then protein a day going by your numbers. So if that is real how could you think you have a good diet?

[sdot15]

Okay - more food it is then.... Thanks, I'll see what happens by the end of this month

[sdot15]

This is a dirty, desperate, all you can eat bulk because Im just too retardedly skinny!!

[gixxerboy1]

This is a dirty, desperate, all you can eat bulk because Im just too retardedly skinny!!

you dont need to do that. Check out the nutrition section here.

[sharmabrah]

You might really want to take a look at that training program too, thats umm an odd one to say the least...

BTW the links to your photos dont work, unless its just me

Gonzo there is a gap between the "dot and com" so put them together and you'll be able to see. Not sure what he is complaining about he has a good, solid base and could make some great natural gains with that.

[Flacco]

I've noticed I'm getting leaner... I don't want to strip anymore fat (Girls don't like that!!)... All I care about is mass.... How do I stop losing bodyfat?
With this new workout I've lost 3lbs, but then gained 1lb after a month. I look bigger though... I've been on and off working out for 2 years.

If all you care about is mass... try Maxing out at 6-8 reps of all you're bigger muscle work outs. Bench/squat/deadlift. If you're not even eating enough, you're burning alot of those calories you need to grow by doing higher rep/lower weight sets. Also, IDK if its that improtant, but I always work out Back/shoulders and Tri's same day, and Chest and Bi's on the same day, then have 1 all leg+ abs day bc you're mainly using the same muscles with those workouts. But just looking your workout regamine, it looks like you're workout is more for strength/endurance than it is for building mass. Take your bicep workouts for example... to build mass, doing 112 curls is counterproductive. You want to be doing higher weight, lower reps to put on mass. And of course, like everyone else already said. You should be eating 4000 cals in food preferably balanced diet + protein/weightgainer. I could add about 4 or 5 more small meals into what you've listed as your diet.

[< <Samson> >]

to build mass, doing 112 curls is counterproductive. You want to be doing higher weight, lower reps to put on mass.

That too, when I'm going for a bulk only I get into 5x5 or 5x6. . . I rarely push to 8 reps.

[gonzo6183]

Gonzo there is a gap between the "dot and com" so put them together and you'll be able to see. Not sure what he is complaining about he has a good, solid base and could make some great natural gains with that.

Agrred, just needs to tweak the diet and get a whole new training regime

[Supertotal]

You are about the same height/weight as I was when I first got serious about training. Now if you were 5'10" and 125lbs... THEN you'd have a problem.

Your other "problem" of being stronger than you look? Do you know how many seriously dedicated powerlifters there are that would kill to have this "problem"?????

You're probably not eating enough. I didn't count your calories for you (too vague), but it sure doesn't look like a lot to me. Ditch the mass-gainer for some leaner protein, you might as well just mix some cake mix in with your shake instead of buying mass gainers. Aim for at least 250grams of protein a day, maybe upwards of 300. Learn the macro breakdown of the foods you eat, and your shakes, and get good at the math. Many people screw this up.

But finally, your training is awful. Too many machines, too much upper body. Learn to squat properly (look up 'olympic squat'), and do it at least twice a week. For a natural lifter, you NEED heavy squats, and often. Almost as good as steroids. For the rest, as my trainer would say: "Bench, squat, deadlift. Assist with standing military press (barbell), barbell rows ('Pendlay' style), and powercleans (learn how to do them right). Assist those with front squats (olympic style), seated cable rows/lat pull, and incline bench press/DB press. FINISH with the arms and other little parts, dont build a split/program around them.

[sdot15]

Thanks for the advice guys.

[Skyrinegt]

Chips and burger and cereal are not part of any real diet there are probably others too but throw them out and replace with whole foods, I too was once 163lbs

[baseline_9]

I think you have been covered here TBH...

I will echo Gix's comment about he nutrition section... Well worth a visit. Post your goals stats and current diet.

[sdot15]

I just want a normal fit condition physique like Taylor Lautner. Thats my goal. My current diet is posted above but I have to change it due to the advice received.

[gymsoldier]

Worst bodytype ever.. I NEED Roids - too skinny

I think its a psychiatrist you need to see first.

[nooby]

Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calorie

Now redo your math.

[bobjack]

you posted that you are eating 1800 calories.

1000 calories from carbs
800 from protein
??? from fat

no wonder your losing weight, not to mention all your carbs u do get are simple carbs so when u do gain weight u get the soft look

[sdot15]

So you must be taking 240g fat per day to make 4k cals, and if this the case you wont be dropping bodyfat like you said, so see why Im saying it dosnt add up?

Learn to eat. That is your problem. Food

you dont need to do that. Check out the nutrition section here.

Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calorie

Now redo your math.

I think its a psychiatrist you need to see first.

Chips and burger and cereal are not part of any real diet there are probably others too but throw them out and replace with whole foods, I too was once 163lbs

You are about the same height/weight as I was when I first got serious about training. Now if you were 5'10" and 125lbs... THEN you'd have a problem.




Your other "problem" of being stronger than you look? Do you know how many seriously dedicated powerlifters there are that would kill to have this "problem"?????




You're probably not eating enough. I didn't count your calories for you (too vague), but it sure doesn't look like a lot to me. Ditch the mass-gainer for some leaner protein, you might as well just mix some cake mix in with your shake instead of buying mass gainers. Aim for at least 250grams of protein a day, maybe upwards of 300. Learn the macro breakdown of the foods you eat, and your shakes, and get good at the math. Many people screw this up.




But finally, your training is awful. Too many machines, too much upper body. Learn to squat properly (look up 'olympic squat'), and do it at least twice a week. For a natural lifter, you NEED heavy squats, and often. Almost as good as steroids. For the rest, as my trainer would say: "Bench, squat, deadlift. Assist with standing military press (barbell), barbell rows ('Pendlay' style), and powercleans (learn how to do them right). Assist those with front squats (olympic style), seated cable rows/lat pull, and incline bench press/DB press. FINISH with the arms and other little parts, dont build a split/program around them.

You need to learn to eat more and better. Your too young for roids and need a nutritionist, not chemicals.

You want to get big, eat big. Its really that simple. Calories in calories out..

Agrred, just needs to tweak the diet and get a whole new training regime

Thank God for online shopping, where they display the nutrition content on their site.
Guess what... you guys were right. Doing the maths, I've only been eating 1108kcal in food but a total of 2938kcal with the gainer supplement. Wow...
Protein = 158.7
Carbs = 695.7
Lesson learned today - Bodybuilding is no gimmick, its a science experiment with variables that have to be constant to see the desired result. I'll bump my calories up and protein to 200-250g. I'll also start weighing my food!!

[< <Samson> >]

I've only been eating 1108kcal in food but a total of 2938kcal with the gainer supplement. Wow...

Yeah, gainer is the road to nowhere. . . It works, but only sorta. . . . I still use weight gainer as a part of my daily diet to keep my size. But, it comes out to only about 25-30% of my daily calorie and protein intake.

[Supertotal]

Yeah, gainer is the road to nowhere. . . It works, but only sorta. . . . I still use weight gainer as a part of my daily diet to keep my size. But, it comes out to only about 25-30% of my daily calorie and protein intake.

You might as well just eat a jumbo choclolate bar with every shake. I never understood peoples obsession with fat-gainers. Good hype/advertising i guess.

And to the original poster...... Taylor Lautner???????? Okay, I retract my advice. Take tons of steroids and do abs all day, there is no hope for you.

[MuscleInk]

Yeah, gainer is the road to nowhere. . . It works, but only sorta. . . . I still use weight gainer as a part of my daily diet to keep my size. But, it comes out to only about 25-30% of my daily calorie and protein intake.

LMAO @ gainers. These things are such a gimmick that too many people fall for. Usually one of the top 5 ingredients is MALTODEXTRIN, 7 times sweeter than sugar. It spikes your insulin and promotes FAT retention.

You'll bulk for sure....it's called getting fat!!!