1st cycle - simple, effective, & researched!

[Trying-Hard]

Hi fellas.

I will be very concise to not waste anyone's time.

31 years old, 5'8 (on a good day), 177 lbs morning weight. Want to get to 185-187 morning weight and maintain BF levels. Based on my research for my 1st cycle, I feel the below is optimal:

Week 1-12: Test E, 500 mg/wk (250 on Mon, 250 on Thr)
Week 1-4: Dbol, 30mg ED
Week 1-12: Arimidex .25mg EOD

PCT - starts 14 days after last injection of Test E
Clomid: 50/50/50/50 (50 mgs ED for 4 weeks)
Nolva: 40/40/20/20 (40 mgs ED for 2 weeks, then 20 mgs ED for 2 weeks)

Done!

Did I do my homework? TIA for your critique.

TH

[ghettoboyd]

Hi fellas.

I will be very concise to not waste anyone's time.

31 years old, 5'8 (on a good day), 177 lbs morning weight. Want to get to 185-187 morning weight and maintain BF levels. Based on my research for my 1st cycle, I feel the below is optimal:

Week 1-12: Test E, 500 mg/wk (250 on Mon, 250 on Thr)
Week 1-4: Dbol, 30mg ED
Week 1-12: Arimidex .25mg EOD

PCT - starts 14 days after last injection of Test E
Clomid: 50/50/50/50 (50 mgs ED for 4 weeks)
Nolva: 40/40/20/20 (40 mgs ED for 2 weeks, then 20 mgs ED for 2 weeks)

Done!

Did I do my homework? TIA for your critique.

TH

well done sir!...looks good to me..

[skyrim]

looks great to me! are you taking the clomid and nolva together?

[Times Roman]

personally, i'd drop the dbol on a first cycle and stick with the test only. this way, you can absolutely see for yourself how your body responds to test without anything else thrown in. additionally, if something does happen, some kind of reaction, you have no idea if it is the test, the dbol, or something else since you've never ran either. I like to take the scientific approach and only add one unknown compound into the mix on any given cycle.

just my .02

other than that, i'd say yes, you've done your homework!

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

possibly an HCG. but other than that looks solid!

Whats your BF% btw?

[Trying-Hard]

well done sir!...looks good to me..

Thank you!

looks great to me! are you taking the clomid and nolva together?

Thank you. Yes, Clomid and Nolva together.

personally, i'd drop the dbol on a first cycle and stick with the test only. this way, you can absolutely see for yourself how your body responds to test without anything else thrown in. additionally, if something does happen, some kind of reaction, you have no idea if it is the test, the dbol, or something else since you've never ran either. I like to take the scientific approach and only add one unknown compound into the mix on any given cycle.

just my .02

other than that, i'd say yes, you've done your homework!

Thanks, Roman. And yes, I have researched and read a lot about first time users wanting to use Test / Dbol with responses back at them such as yours - to not run the dbol and only stick to the test for the reasons you mentioned. I will think about what I want to do, but with all my friends telling me dbol is such a great cycle starter, I am tempted. lol.

possibly an HCG. but other than that looks solid!

Whats your BF% btw?

Thanks Bob. I am at 12% BF now. I thinking gaining 8-10 lbs and at least maintaining my bf% with serious diet and training is not too far out of reach.

[Trying-Hard]

A question:

If gyno symptoms start to occur, how would you go about countering it? Up the Liquidex to .5 EOD? Drop the Liquidex and start Letro? Too many combinations for me to type out, so I would like to hear how you guys would go about it if this were to take place. Thanks again! I appreciate the responses.

[Capebuffalo]

I'm curious. On a good day your 5-8? What are you on a bad day. No just kidding. Looks good. I would drop the dbol and add hcg. I also like clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20. But that's personal preference.

[austinite]

I'm curious. On a good day your 5-8? What are you on a bad day. No just kidding. Looks good. I would drop the dbol and add hcg. I also like clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20. But that's personal preference.

Agree with cape and TR. Def. drop the DBOL. Good call on everything else.

[Trying-Hard]

I'm curious. On a good day your 5-8? What are you on a bad day. No just kidding. Looks good. I would drop the dbol and add hcg. I also like clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20. But that's personal preference.

On a bad day, I am 5'7. LOL. When adding HCG, how much / when would you add? Sorry, this I have not done HW on. I will start researching it...

Agree with cape and TR. Def. drop the DBOL. Good call on everything else.

Thanks man.

[Trying-Hard]

A question:

If gyno symptoms start to occur, how would you go about countering it? Up the Liquidex to .5 EOD? Drop the Liquidex and start Letro? Too many combinations for me to type out, so I would like to hear how you guys would go about it if this were to take place. Thanks again! I appreciate the responses.

Any input?

[Super-Chump]

On a bad day, I am 5'7. LOL. When adding HCG, how much / when would you add? Sorry, this I have not done HW on. I will start researching it...

Also keen to hear an answer for this question

[Capebuffalo]

HcG 250 mcgs 2x a week from start to finish of cycle. Helps with recovery and keeping balls from atrophy.

[Trying-Hard]

HcG 250 mcgs 2x a week from start to finish of cycle. Helps with recovery and keeping balls from atrophy.

Taken same days as the test injections? Thanks man!

[Capebuffalo]

Taken same days as the test injections? Thanks man!

Doesnt matter. Easdier to remember if everything is on the same days.

[Trying-Hard]

Thanks bro.

[ghettoboyd]

A question:

If gyno symptoms start to occur, how would you go about countering it? Up the Liquidex to .5 EOD? Drop the Liquidex and start Letro? Too many combinations for me to type out, so I would like to hear how you guys would go about it if this were to take place. Thanks again! I appreciate the responses.

sence your already taking a-dex if gyno symptoms still arise you can try to bump it up first to .5 eod, try that for a week or so to see if the sides are reduced...if they keep getting worse then insted of another a.i like letro id start on nolva 10-20 mg a day to block the estrogen at the receptor to stop the gyno from proggressing and even eliminate it if your lucky..

[Trying-Hard]

Add the Nolva in addition to the .5 liquidex eod, right?

Thanks bro. I think now I have everything in order.=)

[gonzo6183]

Add the Nolva in addition to the .5 liquidex eod, right?

Thanks bro. I think now I have everything in order.=)

Only if needed but if you add nolva I believe you can drop the Ldex (thats what I did and my pea size lump was gone in 4 weeks.

Agree with HCG at 250 2 x per week through cycle.

I like PCT at Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20 but as mentioned its personal preference.

Good to see someone that has done their research and knows what they are doing and have it planned out, always good to get a few extra opinions before you start though.

Good luck mate

[Trying-Hard]

Only if needed but if you add nolva I believe you can drop the Ldex (thats what I did and my pea size lump was gone in 4 weeks.

Agree with HCG at 250 2 x per week through cycle.

I like PCT at Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20 but as mentioned its personal preference.

Good to see someone that has done their research and knows what they are doing and have it planned out, always good to get a few extra opinions before you start though.

Good luck mate

Thanks, gonzo!

I think I have everything in order. The only other thing I would like to know is when to inject HCG. If on the same days as my test E shots (Mon and Thr), does it matter when? (before Test E, after Test E?) or if I don't do it on the same days, does it matter when? (1 day after my test e shots, 2 days after?)

Thanks all. Much appreciated and I am very much looking forward to starting my cycle!!

[600@50]

Don't forget the importance of your diet to get the most out of your cycle. The cycle is a small part of achieving your goals.

[Trying-Hard]

Thanks, gonzo!

I think I have everything in order. The only other thing I would like to know is when to inject HCG. If on the same days as my test E shots (Mon and Thr), does it matter when? (before Test E, after Test E?) or if I don't do it on the same days, does it matter when? (1 day after my test e shots, 2 days after?)

Thanks all. Much appreciated and I am very much looking forward to starting my cycle!!

Anyone?

[gonzo6183]

It doesnt matter but to keep it simple you may as well do it on the same day as your shots, that way you dont forget

[Twin]

Anyone?

Cape already answered your question. pay better attention/write this stuff down so u dont forget again.

Doesnt matter. Easdier to remember if everything is on the same days.

[Judah]

Only if needed but if you add nolva I believe you can drop the Ldex (thats what I did and my pea size lump was gone in 4 weeks.

Agree with HCG at 250 2 x per week through cycle.

I like PCT at Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20 but as mentioned its personal preference.

Good to see someone that has done their research and knows what they are doing and have it planned out, always good to get a few extra opinions before you start though.

Good luck mate

I was advised to take 500iu of HCG EOW instead of every week during my cycle. Any further advise on this?

[Trying-Hard]

Cape already answered your question. pay better attention/write this stuff down so u dont forget again.

Maybe you should pay more attention to my post first before assuming I am not paying attention..=)

Again, I understand HCG is to be taken on the same says as Test E injections just as Cape said, but what I am wondering is when exactly to take it? Inject HCG first and then 5 mins later inject HCG? Inject E first and then inject HCG? Inject HCG later at night? And the options go on and on. If there is any advice regarding this particular subject, I would like to hear your opinions. If not, then I will assume that at anytime during the day, it literally does not matter. Thanks again.

[Trying-Hard]

I was advised to take 500iu of HCG EOW instead of every week during my cycle. Any further advise on this?

Many peoplea re telling me HCG EW throughout the cycle, so I will stick to that unless others object. Thanks.

[Twin]

ok. sorry then . I was cock blocked by a ****ing fat bouncer that thought he was tough so i was in a pissed off mode when i posted that last night. but anyways, im still doing my research myself, so take what i say with a grain of salt...

But from what i have read from a few knowledgeable members on this site from reading there posts in other threads in the past, it doesnt matter what time of day you take the HCG(3 mins after test injections or before you go to bed, or in morning, timing from your test e injection that day if you are doing hcg on the same day as your test e... doesnt matter) . it makes no difference, just your preference.

Maybe you should pay more attention to my post first before assuming I am not paying attention..=)

Again, I understand HCG is to be taken on the same says as Test E injections just as Cape said, but what I am wondering is when exactly to take it? Inject HCG first and then 5 mins later inject HCG? Inject E first and then inject HCG? Inject HCG later at night? And the options go on and on. If there is any advice regarding this particular subject, I would like to hear your opinions. If not, then I will assume that at anytime during the day, it literally does not matter. Thanks again.

[Trying-Hard]

Thanks, Twin!

[warmouth]

Nice going man! You got the approval from several respected members on your first try! Thats the first time I have personally seen that.

[TheIcon333]

I love this forum, so much info!!! Trying-Hard thanks, and everyone else thankyou.. this thread help me put the finishing touches on my 1st ever cycle.. again thanks!!

[Trying-Hard]

Nice going man! You got the approval from several respected members on your first try! Thats the first time I have personally seen that.

Thank you!

I love this forum, so much info!!! Trying-Hard thanks, and everyone else thankyou.. this thread help me put the finishing touches on my 1st ever cycle.. again thanks!!

Thank you, and thanks for all the forum members that were willing to give me advice despite the fact that I have under 20 posts.

I will be posting pics in the picture forum very soon! Thanks again, everyone!

[calstate23]

Hi fellas.

I will be very concise to not waste anyone's time.

31 years old, 5'8 (on a good day), 177 lbs morning weight. Want to get to 185-187 morning weight and maintain BF levels. Based on my research for my 1st cycle, I feel the below is optimal:

Week 1-12: Test E, 500 mg/wk (250 on Mon, 250 on Thr)
Week 1-4: Dbol, 30mg ED
Week 1-12: Arimidex .25mg EOD

PCT - starts 14 days after last injection of Test E
Clomid: 50/50/50/50 (50 mgs ED for 4 weeks)
Nolva: 40/40/20/20 (40 mgs ED for 2 weeks, then 20 mgs ED for 2 weeks)

Done!

Did I do my homework? TIA for your critique.

TH

Looks pretty good to me....Crazy to see someone have something laid out pretty legit....I'm too lazy and buzzed to say anything else right now

[Trying-Hard]

Looks pretty good to me....Crazy to see someone have something laid out pretty legit....I'm too lazy and buzzed to say anything else right now

Thanks bro. I am even contemplating decreasing the test levels for the first time. I am thinking 500 mg/wk is too much, and 250-300 mg/wk is better. Hmmm...

[Trying-Hard]

Alright folks, I am going to start my cycle next week...WOOT

Here are the changes I have done based on many veterans opinions and research:

Week 1-12: Test Cyp, 250/wk (I really wanted to do 500, but I am hearing that for a first timer, 250 is plenty)
Week 1-12: Arimidex .25mg EOD

PCT - starts 18 days after last injection
Clomid : 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/20/20/20

If there are any objections, please speak you mind.

I am also going to start a log for all the first timers out there and any others that are interested.

[trackstar19]

I personally would stick to 400-500mg of test EW, 250mg will likely net you some gains, but you'd feel much better and enjoy your cycle much more on 400-500mg. Then in your next cycle (if you'd like to do another down the line) you could keep your test around 400-500mg, and just add in dbol during that run (or something similar). Just my .02 though. First cycle always tends to have the biggest gains, so i'd blast 400-500mg and eat and train like an animal and prepare to feel like a god. Nothing like the euphoric feeling brought on by high test levels.

[Trying-Hard]

I personally would stick to 400-500mg of test EW, 250mg will likely net you some gains, but you'd feel much better and enjoy your cycle much more on 400-500mg. Then in your next cycle (if you'd like to do another down the line) you could keep your test around 400-500mg, and just add in dbol during that run (or something similar). Just my .02 though. First cycle always tends to have the biggest gains, so i'd blast 400-500mg and eat and train like an animal and prepare to feel like a god. Nothing like the euphoric feeling brought on by high test levels.

Ya, I am getting enough to do 400/wk for 12 weeks, so I may just do 400 even though he doesn't recommend it for a 1st timer. But everything I have read on this forum recommends 400-500 so it is a little confusing.

[Trying-Hard]

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[trackstar19]

Ya, I am getting enough to do 400/wk for 12 weeks, so I may just do 400 even though he doesn't recommend it for a 1st timer. But everything I have read on this forum recommends 400-500 so it is a little confusing.

That's kind of the thing, everyone has their own opinions on the matter. Your PCT looks solid, and it sounds like you know what you will be doing. I think 400-500mg a week will give you fantastic results (assuming your diet and training are spot on). 250mg you would gain off of as well, but not nearly as well as you would from 400-500mg. Then if you enjoy cycling and wait a few months you could run another cycle of 400-500mg test and this time incorporate that dbol kickstarter, or something along those lines.

[Trying-Hard]

That's kind of the thing, everyone has their own opinions on the matter. Your PCT looks solid, and it sounds like you know what you will be doing. I think 400-500mg a week will give you fantastic results (assuming your diet and training are spot on). 250mg you would gain off of as well, but not nearly as well as you would from 400-500mg. Then if you enjoy cycling and wait a few months you could run another cycle of 400-500mg test and this time incorporate that dbol kickstarter, or something along those lines.

Yup, I think this is the route I will go.. I will start a log soon with pics. Thanks bro.