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when your body reaches its genetic limit of muscle.. say you gained on a steroid cycle..
and weigh 220 lbs.
and you pct
your body is always going to go back to what it was before..because it cannot hold that 220lbs of muscle. so with PCT you will shrink back down in size.
so why not just BLAST - and CRUISE. then you keep the muscle at 220lbs. and blast again and perhaps work your way higher and higher...?
100% srs.
because you will shut your body down for a very long period of time. and may never recover. Most people's goal isnt to be on trt for life
but i know people who juiced for 10 years straight.. and stopped just to have a baby and came back on.
but i see what you are saying.
just people seem to think they can keep every gain with PCT. but thats not what its doing.
having a baby has nothing to do with your test levels returning to normal. My boy has been on for years too and his girl is now 4 months prego. They are 2 different things
but the human body is not stupid. (again not arguing with you) it thrives for balance. if you come off cold turkey, you will return to normal. it will just take perhaps 3 months, 6 months,1 year.
not always bro. Why do you think people are on trt. Because their body will not return to normal. You damage your hpta by shutting it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaynESTER
do some people really complain because they have to take a shot of test EW or for some not as often..just to function?
plus on top of that making them feel like a little superman haha
i dont see how that affects their daily life??
If you juice semi regularly, lets say once or twice per year. I believe you will keep your gains(as long as you aren't monstrous just from juice).
IMO that is a much better way to go than being on TRT for life and pinning forever. But, again this is at a younger age. If you are over 40 I think the game changes a bit. But, by then hopefully you can just run GH.
your body cannot hold gains to a certain point..Quote:
Originally Posted by samson_420
genetic limit is the limit.
if your body was only made to hold 200 lbs. than anything over that you gain...and PCT you will lose back to 200.
by keeping test in at a cruise dose after a blast..you can surpass this genetic limit(code) and continue to gain muscle.
Who thinks they will keep every gain after pct?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaynESTER
lots of people who are "brainwashed" by the idea :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Honkeykong
point is..if you gain from 200 lbs to 215 lbs on cycle..and your genetic limit is 200 lbs. bye bye to those 15 lbs you gained with proper PCT.
if your on a trt dose your not going to feel super human. You feel normal. So why would anyone want to spend money and do injections to feel normal. Also when your older and maybe have families you dont want to take the risk of sources and ugl's. So you do it the legal way with doctors. Which usually isnt cheap. alot of insurances dont cover it. It may not sound bad to you at your age. But who knows what you will be doing in 30 years. Do you want to have to take injections in your 50's to function normallyQuote:
Originally Posted by PaynESTER
I call BS on this to a point. Lets say I am aiming for 215 pounds. I started at 185, after a few mild cycles with plenty of time in between I get to 215+. I say you can keep that shit up with a solid diet and routine.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaynESTER
Of course if you are pushing your limits and want to be 225 @ 6%Bf that is a different story.
you are correct on that point. But most users arent past their genetic limit. Most loose gains for other reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaynESTER
i cant stay over 200lbs with out being on a blast. im only 5'6 thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by samson_420
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Originally Posted by samson_420
You really dont get it man....YOU CANNOT KEEP EXTRA MUSCLES ONCE YOU PASS THE GENETIC LIMITS WITH ANY DIET...UNLESS YOU BLAST AND CRUISE!
To the OP i guess the point of PCT is that if you wanna have your natty test back...though you lose muscles, get stretch marks and have to start over again to be where you were last cycle...
and most arent past their genetic limit. your not even close to yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzlove
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Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
No shit? This damn genetic limit thing is really a biotch.
So, would staying on a TRT type of dose actually cure this? If you stay on a small weekly dosage do you keep those gains?
i have to stay at higher then a normal trt dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by samson_420
Bull shit, you can stay a damn decent size naturally without getting juiced for life. I am not saying you are going to be Cutler size or anything but I say you can stay damn solid without being on 24x7.Quote:
Originally Posted by abzlove
I'm glad you still remember me my bro=)Quote:
Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
No shit? I guess I have more to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
my man, not only will you not be able to hold that size with any diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by samson_420
and lets hypothetically say you do hold that weight.
it will not look the same as when you were on.
point that brings me next is also..you mention diet.
diet is a very relevant thing. to the amount of gear you use.
if you are on only 250mg test EW then of course diet will play a bigger role.
if you are on over a total of a gram of combined stuff..diet is to a lesser degree.
your body will never go catabolic with High dosages.
lets look at TRENBOLONE
people use tren for CUTS most of the time.
and when they cut they end up getting BIGGER?
how on the earth.
they are on a low calorie diet and growing muscle?
tren - not matter what the diet is..will use every nutrient it gets and shuttle it towards muscle growth.
more calories
less calories
no calories
i know people who do cuts and STARVE literally maybe 1500 calories a day.
of course still keep protein high not crazy high..but 200 will do.
and they get leaner very quick, and some even gain muscle mass.
1500 calories a day!
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Originally Posted by PaynESTER
I am no juice pro to argue the rest, but this is true for sure, that I do know for a fact.
Damn drugs, when we get some and it's good - we just want more.
HahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
no thanks on the gyno brahQuote:
Originally Posted by PaynESTER