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    whats the point of PCT?

    when your body reaches its genetic limit of muscle.. say you gained on a steroid cycle..

    and weigh 220 lbs.

    and you pct

    your body is always going to go back to what it was before..because it cannot hold that 220lbs of muscle. so with PCT you will shrink back down in size.

    so why not just BLAST - and CRUISE. then you keep the muscle at 220lbs. and blast again and perhaps work your way higher and higher...?

    100% srs.

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    because you will shut your body down for a very long period of time. and may never recover. Most people's goal isnt to be on trt for life
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    but i know people who juiced for 10 years straight.. and stopped just to have a baby and came back on.

    but i see what you are saying.

    just people seem to think they can keep every gain with PCT. but thats not what its doing.

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    having a baby has nothing to do with your test levels returning to normal. My boy has been on for years too and his girl is now 4 months prego. They are 2 different things
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    but the human body is not stupid. (again not arguing with you) it thrives for balance. if you come off cold turkey, you will return to normal. it will just take perhaps 3 months, 6 months,1 year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    but the human body is not stupid. (again not arguing with you) it thrives for balance. if you come off cold turkey, you will return to normal. it will just take perhaps 3 months, 6 months,1 year.
    not always bro. Why do you think people are on trt. Because their body will not return to normal. You damage your hpta by shutting it down.
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    do some people really complain because they have to take a shot of test EW or for some not as often..just to function?

    plus on top of that making them feel like a little superman haha

    i dont see how that affects their daily life??

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    If you juice semi regularly, lets say once or twice per year. I believe you will keep your gains(as long as you aren't monstrous just from juice).


    IMO that is a much better way to go than being on TRT for life and pinning forever. But, again this is at a younger age. If you are over 40 I think the game changes a bit. But, by then hopefully you can just run GH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420 View Post
    If you juice semi regularly, lets say once or twice per year. I believe you will keep your gains(as long as you aren't monstrous just from juice).


    IMO that is a much better way to go than being on TRT for life and pinning forever. But, again this is at a younger age. If you are over 40 I think the game changes a bit. But, by then hopefully you can just run GH.
    your body cannot hold gains to a certain point..
    genetic limit is the limit.

    if your body was only made to hold 200 lbs. than anything over that you gain...and PCT you will lose back to 200.

    by keeping test in at a cruise dose after a blast..you can surpass this genetic limit(code) and continue to gain muscle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaynESTER
    but i know people who juiced for 10 years straight.. and stopped just to have a baby and came back on.

    but i see what you are saying.

    just people seem to think they can keep every gain with PCT. but thats not what its doing.
    Who thinks they will keep every gain after pct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkeykong View Post
    Who thinks they will keep every gain after pct?
    lots of people who are "brainwashed" by the idea

    point is..if you gain from 200 lbs to 215 lbs on cycle..and your genetic limit is 200 lbs. bye bye to those 15 lbs you gained with proper PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    do some people really complain because they have to take a shot of test EW or for some not as often..just to function?

    plus on top of that making them feel like a little superman haha

    i dont see how that affects their daily life??
    if your on a trt dose your not going to feel super human. You feel normal. So why would anyone want to spend money and do injections to feel normal. Also when your older and maybe have families you dont want to take the risk of sources and ugl's. So you do it the legal way with doctors. Which usually isnt cheap. alot of insurances dont cover it. It may not sound bad to you at your age. But who knows what you will be doing in 30 years. Do you want to have to take injections in your 50's to function normally
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    by keeping test in at a cruise dose after a blast..you can surpass this genetic limit(code) and continue to gain muscle.
    I call BS on this to a point. Lets say I am aiming for 215 pounds. I started at 185, after a few mild cycles with plenty of time in between I get to 215+. I say you can keep that shit up with a solid diet and routine.

    Of course if you are pushing your limits and want to be 225 @ 6%Bf that is a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    lots of people who are "brainwashed" by the idea

    point is..if you gain from 200 lbs to 215 lbs on cycle..and your genetic limit is 200 lbs. bye bye to those 15 lbs you gained with proper PCT.
    you are correct on that point. But most users arent past their genetic limit. Most loose gains for other reasons.
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420 View Post
    I call BS on this to a point. Lets say I am aiming for 215 pounds. I started at 185, after a few mild cycles with plenty of time in between I get to 215+. I say you can keep that shit up with a solid diet and routine.

    Of course if you are pushing your limits and want to be 225 @ 6%Bf that is a different story.
    i cant stay over 200lbs with out being on a blast. im only 5'6 though
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420 View Post
    I call BS on this to a point. Lets say I am aiming for 215 pounds. I started at 185, after a few mild cycles with plenty of time in between I get to 215+. I say you can keep that shit up with a solid diet and routine.

    Of course if you are pushing your limits and want to be 225 @ 6%Bf that is a different story.

    You really dont get it man....YOU CANNOT KEEP EXTRA MUSCLES ONCE YOU PASS THE GENETIC LIMITS WITH ANY DIET...UNLESS YOU BLAST AND CRUISE!


    To the OP i guess the point of PCT is that if you wanna have your natty test back...though you lose muscles, get stretch marks and have to start over again to be where you were last cycle...
    Last edited by analovz; 07-15-2012 at 11:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abzlove View Post
    You really dont get it man....YOU CANNOT KEEP EXTRA MUSCLES ONCE YOU PASS THE GENETIC LIMITS WITH ANY DIET...UNLESS YOU BLAST AND CRUISE!
    and most arent past their genetic limit. your not even close to yours.
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    i cant stay over 200lbs with out being on a blast. im only 5'6 though

    No shit? This damn genetic limit thing is really a biotch.

    So, would staying on a TRT type of dose actually cure this? If you stay on a small weekly dosage do you keep those gains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420 View Post
    No shit? This damn genetic limit thing is really a biotch.

    So, would staying on a TRT type of dose actually cure this? If you stay on a small weekly dosage do you keep those gains?
    i have to stay at higher then a normal trt dose.
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by abzlove View Post
    You really dont get it man....YOU CANNOT KEEP EXTRA MUSCLES ONCE YOU PASS THE GENETIC LIMITS WITH ANY DIET...UNLESS YOU BLAST AND CRUISE!


    To the OP i guess the point of PCT is that if you wanna have your natty test back...though you lose muscles, get stretch marks and have to start over again to be where you were last cycle...
    Bull shit, you can stay a damn decent size naturally without getting juiced for life. I am not saying you are going to be Cutler size or anything but I say you can stay damn solid without being on 24x7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    and most arent past their genetic limit. your not even close to yours.
    I'm glad you still remember me my bro=)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    i have to stay at higher then a normal trt dose.
    No shit? I guess I have more to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson_420 View Post
    Bull shit, you can stay a damn decent size naturally without getting juiced for life. I am not saying you are going to be Cutler size or anything but I say you can stay damn solid without being on 24x7.
    my man, not only will you not be able to hold that size with any diet.

    and lets hypothetically say you do hold that weight.

    it will not look the same as when you were on.

    point that brings me next is also..you mention diet.

    diet is a very relevant thing. to the amount of gear you use.

    if you are on only 250mg test EW then of course diet will play a bigger role.

    if you are on over a total of a gram of combined stuff..diet is to a lesser degree.

    your body will never go catabolic with High dosages.

    lets look at TRENBOLONE

    people use tren for CUTS most of the time.

    and when they cut they end up getting BIGGER?
    how on the earth.

    they are on a low calorie diet and growing muscle?

    tren - not matter what the diet is..will use every nutrient it gets and shuttle it towards muscle growth.

    more calories
    less calories
    no calories

    i know people who do cuts and STARVE literally maybe 1500 calories a day.

    of course still keep protein high not crazy high..but 200 will do.

    and they get leaner very quick, and some even gain muscle mass.

    1500 calories a day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    it will not look the same as when you were on.

    I am no juice pro to argue the rest, but this is true for sure, that I do know for a fact.


    Damn drugs, when we get some and it's good - we just want more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

    and most arent past their genetic limit. your not even close to yours.
    Hahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaynESTER View Post
    but the human body is not stupid. (again not arguing with you) it thrives for balance. if you come off cold turkey, you will return to normal. it will just take perhaps 3 months, 6 months,1 year.
    no thanks on the gyno brah

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