I am Scared of Tren. Should I be?

[warmouth]

I have heard somany people on here(and elsewhere) talk about their love of Tren. I know Capebuffalo loves it as well and I hope he can chime in on the subject. Iam on no way thinking of starting another cycle, that is, until I get more familiar with the use of the compounds, I amjust wondering if Tren is something for me to consider. I dont want to keep PMing veterans and annoying them, so I figured I could ask the community. I have a good friend that blames running a Tren only cycle for runining his relationship with his parents and girlfriend, but as far as I can tell, it was the lack of use of Test while running it. I am afraid that the compound might alter my personality, which is something I would not want to do at all. And some of the stories of sleepless nights, night sweats, tremors and finadik, I would just like to separate fact from fiction on Tren. Is it best used ina cutting cycle or a bulking cycle, etc? I look forward to the insight. Thanks in advance!

[austinite]

Cape loves it because he has good experience with it and understands his body.

Tren can be very harsh on most people. I personally didn't feel anything util 80mg ED. If you have good cycle experience, you can give it a try at a low dose and see how you respond. I would say use Ace, that way if you cant handle the sides, they will go away quickly after you stop using. Def. use Test along with it.

[Misery13]

The night sweats definitely suck but worth it to me. I'm a 75mg EOD, test prop 100mg a day guy. I don't use it every cycle. But just like austinite stated above. You need to start low dose and see how your body responds. Have HCG and clomid on hand in case your body doesn't respond well and you want to stop early and do your PCT.

[warmouth]

Cape loves it because he has good experience with it and understands his body.

Tren can be very harsh on most people. I personally didn't feel anything util 80mg ED. If you have good cycle experience, you can give it a try at a low dose and see how you respond. I would say use Ace, that way if you cant handle the sides, they will go away quickly after you stop using. Def. use Test along with it.

Thank you. I definitely wouldnt use it unless I felt comortable with it by understanding how to cope with possible sides from experienced users. And Iwould for sure have to understand my body more so in order to be comfortable to even consider it. I was just reading about it on the homepage and it seemed as if it were one of the authors favorites to use for size. It also seems as if it can be used for cutting, which is sort of different than what I would think being as it increaseds size. It just seems like one of the best, but also one of the worst too. I am just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks for your input!

[swm1972]

I don't think you should be scared of it. But you should respect it. It's probably not the healthiest compound to run, but it is hard to argue with the results. Worst sides I had were a little insomnia, a couple episodes of sweating bad at night, and a severely diminished endurance levels while on cycle.

You can deal with that, you can possibly deal with tren fine.

[warmouth]

The night sweats definitely suck but worth it to me. I'm a 75mg EOD, test prop 100mg a day guy. I don't use it every cycle. But just like austinite stated above. You need to start low dose and see how your body responds. Have HCG and clomid on hand in case your body doesn't respond well and you want to stop early and do your PCT.

So 75 mgs EOD is sufficient? The stuff that I am able to aquire is 75mgs or 100mgs, depending on source and I just assumed the 75 was for ED use. Once again, I am only trying to aquire knowledge on the compound and not jump into anything. Thanks a ton for adding to this!

[warmouth]

I take a medicine to help me sleep at night anyways and I am a hard sleeper. I stay awake way too late so maybe I would beawake during the worst of it. I hate being hot trying to sleep as well. Thanks swm1972.

[gixxerboy1]

the sides i get are insomnia, sweating all the time. I wake up with wet sheets. I have very little patients while on also

[warmouth]

Also, it trena compound that is best ran the whole duration of a cycle? Or is it better say on the first 4 weeks or the last 4 weeks? An example:
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 400 mgs week
Weeks1-4 Winny 50mgs EOD
Weeks 5-10 tren 75mgs EOD
Weeks 8-12 Anavar 60 mgs ED

Just as an example, not an actual cycle.

[austinite]

Thank you. I definitely wouldnt use it unless I felt comortable with it by understanding how to cope with possible sides from experienced users. And Iwould for sure have to understand my body more so in order to be comfortable to even consider it. I was just reading about it on the homepage and it seemed as if it were one of the authors favorites to use for size. It also seems as if it can be used for cutting, which is sort of different than what I would think being as it increaseds size. It just seems like one of the best, but also one of the worst too. I am just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks for your input!

It doesn't give you any dramatic size. It does however, give you quality muscle that you can easily retain. cutting is most common with this compound. I saw increased vascularity and extreme hardening of the muscles. Kind of feel pumped all day. Veins were coming out of no where. Strength was incredible at the gym and managed to shed a few pounds.

Now... almost every night I would wake up in a pool of sweat. Im talking soaking from head to toe, through the sheets and into the mattress. gross. Extreme insomnia. Lucky if I got 2 hours of sleep per night. But that I got used to. Increased aggression was very evident. please dont mistake aggression for anger. Random sweat through out the day. I could be feeling nice and cool one second, the next I am sweating like a hog.

Tren KILLED my cardio. The shin pumps were so extreme that I couldnt do more than 20 minutes. Which hurt my cut. I discontinued for that reason alone. I wil come back to tren, but only when I reach 11% BF.

[warmouth]

the sides i get are insomnia, sweating all the time. I wake up with wet sheets. I have very little patients while on also

Thats what I am afraid of most. The lack of patients I might have because I am not the most patient person anyways. Even just runnng test at 100mgs EOD, I can feel a little "jumpy" on it. Sort of like peopleclicking a pen, or someone sipping coffee in that annoying way, or crinkling newspaper and people who cant drive.

[austinite]

Thats what I am afraid of most. The lack of patients I might have because I am not the most patient person anyways. Even just runnng test at 100mgs EOD, I can feel a little "jumpy" on it. Sort of like peopleclicking a pen, or someone sipping coffee in that annoying way, or crinkling newspaper and people who cant drive.

if you're impatient, it will most certainly be emphasized.

[kelkel]

Don't forget those A-holes who won't get out of the left lane too! Seriously want to do a pit maneuver on them...

[BigBadWolf]

Thats what I am afraid of most. The lack of patients I might have because I am not the most patient person anyways. Even just runnng test at 100mgs EOD, I can feel a little "jumpy" on it. Sort of like peopleclicking a pen, or someone sipping coffee in that annoying way, or crinkling newspaper and people who cant drive.

Sounds like you need ear plugs when you cycle.

[austinite]

Don't forget those A-holes who won't get out of the left lane too! Seriously want to do a pit maneuver on them...

haha. True, driving sucks on Tren.

[MuscleInk]

Tren makes me a better driver.......its just that no one agrees with me.

Last week I rolled my window down and screamed at a cop for f*ckn up traffic while I was trying to get home. Not a recommended course of action!

"Tren, my new best fren" lol

[MuscleInk]

Last week I swear I soaked the sheets all the way down to the box spring!!!

[ironbeck]

If you like your cardio be prepared to work twice as hard..........

[MuscleInk]

Thats what I am afraid of most. The lack of patients I might have because I am not the most patient person anyways. Even just runnng test at 100mgs EOD, I can feel a little "jumpy" on it. Sort of like peopleclicking a pen, or someone sipping coffee in that annoying way, or crinkling newspaper and people who cant drive.

lol.....oh you're going to love tren then! Might want to think about some benzodiazepines (just kidding). Tren makes me go from 0-100 in about 1.3 seconds. My girlfriend......she no likes tren very much.

[kelkel]

If you like your cardio be prepared to work twice as hard..........

Another reason I never, ever do cardio.

[Capebuffalo]

Sorry I haven't been plugged in this weekend. Fear is what keeps you a live. You should have a healthy fear of tren. And a healthy respect. To be honest your right I love tren a. Have never used e. but be aware there was a time I ran it and stopped respecting its power. I wound up in the hospital with bp 200/160. Not a fun overnight experience. I ran it too long and maybe to high. It doesn't take a lot. That's why if you run it run a so you can get away from it quick if you need to. I have less sides running it ed. Respect tren. Be prepared not to get good sleep and to have night sweats. Cardio is non existing. 8 weeks is my max. The body won't take anymore. Don't ever take it for granted. Or think if a little is good more will be better. Fear is healthy.

[warmouth]

Ha haha. Some very interesting stuff here. I never do cardio other than the little I get in at work. I am trying to aquire size right now, and my cardio blows big time when I actually try. I am not very energetic. The more I am reading your guys post, the more I am thinking it may not be for me. Iam a very laid back person, but little things do get to me easy. Ill probaby continue getting advice from you guys, and I will post the compounds I actually have on hand so you guys can tell me EXACTLY what to use, when to use it, and how to go about it. Thanks somuch for everything so far!

[Capebuffalo]

Ok just looked at your stats. You don't have enough experience right now to run tren. Also @ 170 lbs. you need to eat more. I know that's not your question but a base of a good diet will go a long way.

[ghettoboyd]

i suffer from the night sweats and major sweating overall, ive finnaly experienced my first bout with insomnia 3 weeks into upping my dose to 600mg per week trying to find my tren threashold(side effect wise) so to speak...anyways, i have now found it and not shure if i like it...other than that i suffer from bigger muscles and a more defined phisique...

[capetown]

Im Going to be doing my first tren cycle once boating season is done. I have a few cycles under my belt now but am still going to treat tren with the respect it deserves. I want to start everyday and have all my tren and prop sitting in my sock drawer starring at me all the time. Best advice i keep hearing is just pay attention to ur body and go from there. I might even try it and decide im a pure test type of guy but i have to take the leap. Lol. I am pretty sure i am going to be annoying all of you once i start. Lol. But like i said, know ur limits.

[PaynESTER]

I love tren I'm currently killing bottles of tren.

500mg EW
100mg ED Sunday - Thursday
Body is fine.

Sleep like a baby
Not much sweat at night

Perhaps I'm the lucky few

[warmouth]

Sorry I haven't been plugged in this weekend. Fear is what keeps you a live. You should have a healthy fear of tren. And a healthy respect. To be honest your right I love tren a. Have never used e. but be aware there was a time I ran it and stopped respecting its power. I wound up in the hospital with bp 200/160. Not a fun overnight experience. I ran it too long and maybe to high. It doesn't take a lot. That's why if you run it run a so you can get away from it quick if you need to. I have less sides running it ed. Respect tren. Be prepared not to get good sleep and to have night sweats. Cardio is non existing. 8 weeks is my max. The body won't take anymore. Don't ever take it for granted. Or think if a little is good more will be better. Fear is healthy.

Holy crap! That BP got way high. See, as I have been on BP meds for 15 years, I am not sure The Tren is for me. I have had stage 1 hypertension for 15 years, but have had it under control with daily meds. If, and thats a BIG IF, I even decided to run it, would finishing out or kick starting a basic Test for 4 weeks work? Or does it need more time to get correct blood levels? The hypertension is my biggest issue with any AAS, and I am just learning the basics of running an AI while on anything. Is there anything other than basic liquidex or letro you would recommend, or is that enough? I dont have toworry of a PCT, as I am on TRT and will just jump right back on that once I finish up?

[warmouth]

Ok just looked at your stats. You don't have enough experience right now to run tren. Also @ 170 lbs. you need to eat more. I know that's not your question but a base of a good diet will go a long way.

I totally agree I am not experienced enough for it. That why I am asking questions, I just hope they are the right ones. I have weight 155 since I was a teenager and havent managed to gainanything until I ran Test Prop. I have exercised and been fit my entire life, but I picked up a few muscle mags at the first of the year and decided to gain mass. I have been learning proper diet since, and have focused solely on my diet, even before I started anything. I never knew the basics like protien, creatine, carbs, calories, etc until research led me to this forum. I amso strict in my diet that my wife, who is a fitness guru, says I am taking it to the extreme. I cook and plan out my eating schedule every night before work. I have been taking inmost of my protien by mixing the shakes, but I am doing everything in my power to cut back to only 1-2 shakes a day and eat as much whole food as possible. Even with my protein shakes, I add 3 raw egg whites into each one so that there is still a "whole food" factor in them. I hate whole wheats, brown rice, quinoa, granola, lentils, etc, but that is pretty much all I ever eat anymore. I do cheat on the weekends, but being a hardgainer to an extent, I can deal with doing that for now. And I really dont want to be super massed up, I just set my model of example by Chris Hemsworth(the guy who plays Thor in the Avengers). Not a gay thing, I just feel that if I have a goal, its is easier to work toward. Andyou may hate me for saying this, but Zyzz is another I would love to be built like. Just lean but defined is where I am tryingto go withall of this.

[warmouth]

I love tren I'm currently killing bottles of tren.

500mg EW
100mg ED Sunday - Thursday
Body is fine.

Sleep like a baby
Not much sweat at night

Perhaps I'm the lucky few

I can tell by your avatar, you AREone of the lucky ones. Goodjob!

[Brohim]

no one mentioned 19 nor's shut you down hard. PCT is not a breeze and could leave you with limp dick for weeks.

[warmouth]

no one mentioned 19 nor's shut you down hard. PCT is not a breeze and could leave you with limp dick for weeks.

Would it still effect me in that way since Ill just go back to my TRT?

[austinite]

Would it still effect me in that way since Ill just go back to my TRT?

no. TRT is fine.

[stpete]

I have heard somany people on here(and elsewhere) talk about their love of Tren. I know Capebuffalo loves it as well and I hope he can chime in on the subject. Iam on no way thinking of starting another cycle, that is, until I get more familiar with the use of the compounds, I amjust wondering if Tren is something for me to consider. I dont want to keep PMing veterans and annoying them, so I figured I could ask the community. I have a good friend that blames running a Tren only cycle for runining his relationship with his parents and girlfriend, but as far as I can tell, it was the lack of use of Test while running it. I am afraid that the compound might alter my personality, which is something I would not want to do at all. And some of the stories of sleepless nights, night sweats, tremors and finadik, I would just like to separate fact from fiction on Tren. Is it best used ina cutting cycle or a bulking cycle, etc? I look forward to the insight. Thanks in advance!

What exactly are your goals? By seeing your posts and history, i think you need more experience before embarking on tren. Tren is loved by many because it's so versatile. If you know your body and know how to diet, you can gain or cut. Much like other compounds such as test. Sides are the crazy w/tren. And yeah, relationship issues could arise.

[warmouth]

What exactly are your goals? By seeing your posts and history, i think you need more experience before embarking on tren. Tren is loved by many because it's so versatile. If you know your body and know how to diet, you can gain or cut. Much like other compounds such as test. Sides are the crazy w/tren. And yeah, relationship issues could arise.

No doubt about it, I need more experience before I do anything else. Mygoals are to be lean, but cut to pieces. The guy who plays Thor, Zyzz, Brad Pitt in Troy. I am not really after any huge gains, just hard and soild. I would like to have 16 inch arms cold, maybe bigger if you guys think. Nice sized legs (I have always had chicken legs) and well rounded and symetrical. I want the dry and hard look that you just cant get through just diet and exercise. I would like to walk around at a big 185 ish, that is, if you guys think so. I wish I knew how to post pics up and Iwould so yall could see the canvas that I had to work with.

[trackstar19]

Tren and I are good buddies. I'm currently on 1000mg of tren e EW, 250mg test e EW, 600mg mast e EW, 75mcg t3 ED, 100mcg clen ED, and 5iu HGH ED. (Mid way through my contest season, probably will run this up until NPC Nationals in November and then take a break/cruise on test & hgh for a while)

That being said... i am an easy going calm guy, but tren definitely makes me a bit more of an asshole. My fuse is a little shorter, and i can be a bit more of a 'dick' on it. When i'm on tren my gf and family usually don't like me as much (and vice versa - hah). But tren does WONDERS to your physique. With a proper diet and workout plan it will turn you into a freak. Respect it and you should be fine. Start with a low dose of tren a and if the sides get bad than just discontinue use and you know it's not for you

[Judah]

No doubt about it, I need more experience before I do anything else. Mygoals are to be lean, but cut to pieces. The guy who plays Thor, Zyzz, Brad Pitt in Troy. I am not really after any huge gains, just hard and soild. I would like to have 16 inch arms cold, maybe bigger if you guys think. Nice sized legs (I have always had chicken legs) and well rounded and symetrical. I want the dry and hard look that you just cant get through just diet and exercise. I would like to walk around at a big 185 ish, that is, if you guys think so. I wish I knew how to post pics up and Iwould so yall could see the canvas that I had to work with.

My buddy is on tren and test-e 500mg each a week. He looks amazing. Night sweats and insomnia crushed him but he was able to get a prscription sleep aid that fixed it. Lean and cut are essentially the same thing. Its always good to be very specific on your verbage so your communicating exactly what you mean in order to get the best feedback/advice on here. Remember: YOU CAN NOT CUT WHATS NOT THERE. Although it is possible to create size gains and reduce bodyfat at the same time, typically you focus on one or the other in order to get the most out of it. Anyone that has lifted for any amount of time has learned we all individually have certain muscle groups that respond amazingly and others that dont. The only way to get those lagging muscle groups to grow, is to eat like a horse and lift heavy. Inevidably you will increase BF% when doing this mostly becasue of the coloric intake. Wanting to look like guys you see on TV and movies and mags is a HUGE TRAP, be careful. They do not walk around looking that way everyday. Most times they have dehydrated all the water out from under their skin which you can only really do for a day or 2. Decide what you want to grow on your body, lift heavy and eat loads and loads of clean calories, then cut. Don't try to add size on your legs or arms while also trying to cut. Unless you are a genetic freak, its a trap, and you will end up getting frustrated.

[auswest]

Just finished up 75mg Ed, as mentioned don't expect alot of size I only gained a few kilos in the first few weeks, around week 5 onwards the scales stayed the same yet I dropped bf like no 2moro all in all about a 3kg weight gain and a bf loss of 4%, so pretty good results really, I've been eating at Maintence with no real emphasis on cutting.
Only sides I experienced we're insomnia and sweats but very on and off one night I'd be using 4 sides of pillows and rotating my blanket then the next night I will be fine.
Cardio is currently in the dirt ATM, next cycle will run 100mg Ed with a prop not test e. was running test to start at 250 a week but felt it was a little low and bumped it up to 375 which felt pretty good. Looking at my self I really can't see any reasons why I won't be able to maintain my gains/bf with good diet.
The peps I'm sure will help too )

[gonzo6183]

My Sides: Extreme night sweats, a lot of insomnia, occassional insane (in a bad way) dreams, very short fuse which I do ok at controling some of the time, lack of endurance which is the biggest issue for me as I suck air through a hose 50m underwater for a living and need my lungs working. Easy? NO, worth it? for me, YES

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

Depends how you respond to it, but it's always worth a try. If you're truly worried, start low and work your way up. 50mgs ED is a good place to start and will give you a good ratio of results to side effect awareness and can be worked up from there.

Just do your research and look at all the possible sides, then prepare for them. running it with low test is one way to prevent sides and having caber on hand for prolactin is another (of course these aren't the only issues, i'm giving examples). night sweats can be mitigated by using a fan/ac in your room.. there really isn't anything you can't counter.

good luck

[Angel of death]

hey guys...patience*
unless of course you're all doctors